koo-KER-bih-ta — Latin name for the gourd … Dave’s Botanary
MOSS-kuh-ta — musk-scented … Dave’s Botanary 

commonly known asbutternut pumpkinbutternut squash • Assameseকোমোৰা kumraমিঠা লাউ mitha lau • Bengaliকুমড়া kumara • Hindiहलवा कद्दू halwa kadduकाशीफल kashiphalमीठा कद्दू mitha kadduपेठा petha • Kannadaಸಿಹಿ ಕುಂಬಳ ಕಾಯಿ sihi kumbala kaayi • Malayalamകുമ്പളം kumpalamമത്തങ്ങ mattanna • Marathiकाळा भोपळा kala bhopalaकाशीफळ kashiphal • Punjabiਹਲਵਾ ਕਦੂੱ halwa kadduਮਿੱਠਾ ਕਦੂੱ mittha kaddu • Tamilபூசனி pucani • Teluguగుమ్మడి gummadiపెద్ద గుమ్మడి pedda gummadiతియ్య గుమ్మడి tiyya gummadi • Urduکدو kaddu 
Squash, Pumpkin
 
Similar to and often confused with other species but usually distinguished by leaves sometimes having white blotches (seen in California plants here), calyx lobes enlarged or often foliaceous (as can be seen in Dakpathar plants here) and more importantly fruiting pedicel strong, usually angled and thickened ust below the fruit and separated by a small constriction.  


Cucurbita moschata cultivars;

 

 

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Fruits & Vegetables Week: Cucurbita moschata cultivars: Cucurbita moschata cultivars here in stores in California
 

 

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fruits and vegetables week Butternusskürbis: fruits and vegetables week episode has come to an end. Even then I am taking the liberty of posting them as I have some fotos. Moreover Germany is 4.5 hrs behind India. 
Here Butternusskürbis. I don’t know its english or scientific name. You can see the foto of a cut fruit under http://www.essen-und-trinken.de/butternusskuerbis 


– I am also uploading the same from Campbell Town, Sydney, Australia.


– It is butternut squash Cucurbita moschata. I have uploaded this both in Fruits and Vegetables episode as also in Cucurbitaceae episode earlier. The German name is also Moschuskürbis  

 

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Fruit & Vegetable week- Cucurbita maxima from Kaithal:  


– we in bengal eat all part of this plant the leaves and stem as leafy veg with flower to make pakodas fruit has limitless uses


– This is Curcurbita moschata. Please see the expanded disc at the tip of pedicel.

In C. maxima it is spongy and not expanded at tip.


 

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Flora of Panipat: Cucurbita maxima from Lohari Panipat: Cucurbita maxima from Lohari Panipat
Pls validate 


No this is Cucurbita moschata
C. maxima does not have expanded pad of pedicel below the fruit attachment.
It is soft and straight 


Cucurbitaceae Week: Some Cucurbits from Australia-I:  This one is Butternut Pumpkin (winter squash)- Cucurbita moschata shot from a Veg store in Campbelltown, Sydney, by my younger brother, sent on 1.1.11, clicked few days prior to..


 

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Cucurbitaceae Week: Cucurbita moschata cultivars: Here are some important cultivars of Cucurbita moschata photographed from California


very nice, top ones from california…ok, are butternut squash.. loce them baked or in our Indian style curry…
but those from delhi have a different skin coloration and blotches and shape…
so the genes and mRNA for shape and skin must be different, yet is the the taste and the pulp same?
OR IS THE diagnosis based on the stalk and its insertion only?


Today I went to local market to recheck. I have written details in separate post today. Yes this is Cucurbita moschata, this cultivar more appropriately Halwa Kaddu, Kashi phal or Mitha Kaddu, or Kaddu Pumpkin.


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Cucurbitaceae Week :: For ID validation :: Cucurbita ¿ moschata ? on outskirts of Vaghbil:  Please validate this plant for Cucurbita moschata.
Got a strong feeling it could be C. moschata based on … simple keys to differentiate main species of Cucurbita.
Place: outskirts of Vaghbil (about 50 ft asl), Thane, Maharashtra.
Time: October 30 AND December 7, 2010
Habit: creeper, climber,
Habitat: growing untended near a village house.

Yes … It should be C. moschata only. In addition to fruit shape, pedicel tip, the calyx lobes are also expanded (foliaceous).

This should be Kashi phal or Halwa Kaddu


Excellent set of pictures, depicting all the features. This plant is known by the name of Halwa as … have mentioned, pulp is yellow, can be turned into a delicious sweet dish or to a vegetable. 


I hope you have read my this mail 


Yes …, I have read the mail.
Have been following all your (and others’) uploads, especially that of Cucurbita species.
Though most of the species of Cucurbitaceae – we have been savouring and devouring, associating them to botanical names has always been puzzling and confusing. In this context, the week has been enlightening to most of us.
Each one’s uploads have high quality photos.
A great treat to eyes.

 

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Elusive Petha and Kaddu in India: thanks Ushadi for initiating my fresh visit to Sabzi mandi: Having seen so many cultivars of Cucurbita maxima, C. moschata and C. pepo in California, and common names pumpkin, squash and gourd being so interchangeably used for any of these, I found the same confusion regarding Indian names Petha, kaddu and others being used in local markets.

For one I am happy that the key based on the tip of fruiting pedicel is very satisfactory in differentiating the fruiting specimens, although leaves and flowers may not be that reliable. For example in most sample Cucurbita moschata calyx lobes are foliaceous in specimens that I have seen in India, they are rarely so in most cultivars in USA.
Yesterday I uploaded photographs of Cucurbita moschata from India sold as Kaddu, whose plants were earlier uploaded by … as Cucurbita pepo but it turned out to be C. moschata
The comments yesterday by … about Kaddu fruits uploaded by me prompted me to make a revisit to the Keshavpur Sabzi mandi in our neinghbourhood (a big mandi in West Delhi) today morning. Luckily I could locate all the three types of so called petha in the market. One is very distinct especially when you attach Agra before it, the Ash gourd or white pumpkin, commonly used for making sweet.
The other two though quite distinct seemed to be more confusing to the sellers. More than ninety percent sellers called them petha or kaddu, and one being the younger stage and other the ripe stage of fruit, but finally one person knew them well: one which can last for more than a month (Cucurbita moschata), and another which has to be consumed within few days (Cucurbita pepo)
Cucurbita moschata: Halwa kaddu, kashi phal, mitha kadu, petha-The fruit is generally large, reaching 50 cm in length, nearly oblong, sking turning yellowish brown when mature, typical C. moschata constricted pad below fruit, flesh yellow. This plant was uploaded by me yesterday. Cooked as vegetable but with slightly sweeter taste, more commonly made into halwa. I had uploaded this yesterday. I am doing it again for comparison. Fruit purchased can be kept for more than a month without getting spoilt.
Cucurbita pepo: Gol kaddu, safed kaddu, Villaiti kadu, petha, Kadddu pumpkin: The fruit is some what depressed to nearly rounded, 20-30 cm across, pedicel tip with closely attached proecting finger, colour green with yellowish patches, flesh is pale yellowish white or greenish white. Commonly cooked as vegetable. The fruit generally plucked when not fully ripe does not last long.
I am still looking for another Kaddu from India the Red gourd, mitha kaddu, Sita Phal but as Cucurbita maxima and not C. moschata. I hope some one will upload from India in this episode.


Thank you…
now I know the source of all the confusing names … at least in the all the gourds and melons the world over…
with so many cultivars I think now that you have made the distinction so clear to understand, May be when I have a chance… I’ll attempt make a poster of your pictures with the proper names below each one… of cultivars of Cucurbita maxima, C. moschata and C. pepo and the kaddus …


But, i have a question – why C. pepo is called ‘safed kadu’? Is it white inside?

I have just posted one, thinking it a C. maxima, but my species could well be C. pepo. The inside of my gourd (my post) is yellow.


Sorry Sir, the link of my post is – efi thread


In Cucurbita pepo commonly used as cooked vegetable uploaded by me has much lighter flesh almost creamish white to greenish white and not sweeter to taste. Commonly also known as kumra.
Your above plant is neither C. maxima nor C. pepo. It is C. moschata. Please note foliaceous calyx lobes and clear constricted pad at the tip of the pedicel. Both C. maxima and C. moschata I hope have orange yellow flesh, cooked also as vegetable, but relished as halwa, and more appropriately mitha kumra. In fact C. maxima and C. moschata have same local names.
Perhaps the confusion is deep rooted (not fault of cucurbits, which are quite distinct). Last week I bought petha from one store here. Thinking it to be slightly unripe (being lighter creamish colour) and less is quantity, I bought more from another shop which had softer orange-yellow flesh, and cooked latter the same day. Now I realize that first was C. pepo and second C. moschata.


Thank you very much for these identifying keys to the three Cucurbita species.
Specially C. moschata & C. maxima were very confusing to me. More so because, according to ‘Plant Groups’, Gourd = C. maxima = C. moschata ! Now i know what to look for when i see another KUMRA in a field.


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Cucurbitaceae week: Cucurbita maxima from Hooghly:  

Attaching images of Cucurbita maxima.
This is another staple vegetable, besides potato, in our culinary and except the root entire plant body is used for cooking various dishes!
Species : Cucurbita maxima Duchesne
Bengali name : KUMRA / KUMRO (‘U’ as ‘OO’)
Habit & Habitat : cultivated
Date : 11-03-2012 & 01-04-2012
Place : Hooghly, WB


Cucurbita moschata


Yes Sir, after the discussion at – http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/t/990b9022422ece7b now i know that it is Cucurbita moschata.


 
Cucurbita moschata (Duch. ex Lam.) Duch. ex Poir., Diet. Sci. Nat. 11: 234. 1818.  
Similar to and often confused with other species but usually distinguished by leaves sometimes having white blotches (seen in California plants here), calyx lobes enlarged or often foliaceous (as can be seen in Dakpathar plants here) and more importantly fruiting pedicel strong, usually angled and thickened ust below the fruit and separated by a small constriction.
Photographed from near Dakpathar and from California.


 

 
Cucurbitaceae Week: Cucurbita moschata from Kaithal:  This is “Halwa Kaddu”- Cucurbita moschata shot from my village in Kaithal Haryana in may 2011.


 
koo-KER-bih-ta — Latin name for the gourd
MAKS-ih-muh — largest
Dave’s Botanary
Sep 12, 2009 … at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary, Maharashtra
to validate ID with reference to …: Identifying main species of Cucurbita at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/8kbpauG0liU/Vjr4olwcUfcJ
There may be good chance of this plant being Cucurbita moschata.

commonly known as: giant pumpkin, great pumpkin, melon pumpkin, pumpkin, red gourd, red pumpkin, squash, squash gourd, turks cap gourd, winter squash • Assamese: ৰঙা ranga • Bengali: চালকুমড়ো calakumro, কুষ্মাণ্ড kusmanda • Gujarati: લાલ કોળું lal kolu • Hindi: लाल कद्दू lal kaddu, लाल कुम्हड़ा lal qumra, काशीफल kashiphal • Kannada: ಕಂದು ಗುಬಳ kandu gumbala, ಕುಂಬಳಕಾಯಿ kumbalakaayi, ಕೂಷ್ಮಾಂಡ kushmaanda • Kashmiri: अल् al, तुम्बी tumbi • Konkani: दुद्दे dudde • Lushai: lêng-kêl mai • Malayalam: vellarimathan • Manipuri: mairel • Marathi: लाल भोपळा lal bhopala, तांबडा भोपळा tambada bhopala • Mizo: mai • Oriya: kumda, mai • Punjabi: ਹਲਵਾ ਕਦੂੱ halwa kaddu, ਮਿੱਠਾ ਕਦੂੱ mittha kaddu • Sanskrit: कुष्माण्डकः kusmandakah, पीतकुष्माण्डः pitakusmandah • Tamil: சர்க்கரைப்பூசணி carkkarai-p-pucani, சீமைப்பூசனி cimai-p-pucani, பறங்கிக்காய் paranki-k-kay • Telugu: గుమ్మడి gummadi
Native of: s South America; widely cultivated
References:
Flowers of IndiaWikipediaNPGS / GRINENVIS – FRLHTDDSA
more views: Sep 12, 2009 … at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary, Maharashtra 

I also think Cucurbita moschata, a larger fruit would confirm.


 

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Hooghly – Cucurbita pepo (?)? : Attachments (6 + 8 + 25 + 7 + 7 + 10). 14 posts by 2 authors.
This one is growing on the roof of our storeroom. It seems to be the Cucurbita pepo, but is it C. pepo L.?

Both in “Bengal Plants” and in Flora of British India it had been cited as C. pepo DC.


This fruit had confused me a lot, initially I had also thought it to be C. pepo, but after I saw some older fruits, I noticed features of C. moschata.


I am attaching records from Dr. Prain, Dr. Haines, FBI & FI. It is interesting to not that while Dr. Haines thinks C. melopepo L. is synonymous with C. pepo DC, Dr, Prain & Dr. Hooker think otherwise.
The leaves (not photographed yet) of this plant are harsh, and the entire plant is somewhat prickly.
C. pepo DC
C. pepo Willd. iv. 609
C. moshcata Duchesne
C. melopepo. Willd. iv. 610.
C. maxima Duchesne
Prain

rigid, pungent hairs on the beneath of petiole; leaves deeply five lobed;

calyx lobes narrow subulate

leaf stalk hairy all over, but not pungent or rigid hair;

calyx lobes broad spathulate, leafy

leaf stalk hairy all over, but not pungent or rigid hair;

calyx lobes narrow-subulate

Haines leaves harsh, rigid, acute lobed;

peduncles sulcate;

corolla narrowed at base, with erect lobes

leaves soft, indumentum fine & soft;

peduncle pentagonal,
expanded below the fruit;

sepals often foliaceous

leaves harsh, rigid, rounded lobed;

peduncle not sulcate;

corolla lobes curved outwards

FBI prickly rigid hair on the beneath of the petiole;

peduncle woody, strongly grooved;

hairs of the petiole not pungent;

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calyx segments spathulate or foliaceous

hairs of the petiole not pungent;

peduncle stout corky, striated, not grooved;

calyx segments lanceolate-linear

FI fruit sub-cylindric, both ends obtuse, suface very even fruit roundish, smooth, torulose ———–
It is very confusing.


Attaching photographs male & female flower, fruit, leaves, sepals, petiole, peduncle/pedicel. Leaf stalk is prickly, petiole sometimes longer than lamina. Petiole odorous but not intense.


If this particular plant is at a place where you can follow it up, you may be able to solve the mystery. Your photograph 312 does not show any foliaceous calyx lobes, but 336 shows clearly foliaceous. Are they are from the same vine?, if not keep track of them. Your image 323 shows the swollen tip of peduncle slightly separated from fruit base as also shown on page 53 of my book. This is one aspect you can perhaps sort out before next printing of my book. I have depicted both types of fruits in my book. Two things that kept me away from Cucucurbita pepo are first leaves not lobed (All plants of C. pepo I have seen in California including Zucchini which is now grown in India have deeply lobed leaves). Besides Book Vegetable Crops by Balakrishnan mentions only chapan kadu as member of C. pepo cultivated in India. 
Perhaps you have a very challenging assignment.


There are three vines growing in our home. From ground they climb to the roof of our store room as can be seen in the newly attached first pic. There. on the roof, they remain prostrate. They are intertwined so closely, firmly gripping each other with their tendrils, it is hard to separate them and follow individually.
Yet, i rechecked thoroughly this afternoon. All bearing –
  • same leaves, no white patch on any, petiole prickly
  • mature stem of all very prickly
  • leaf upper surface very scabrous, lower surface hairy, but not scabrous
  • two plants bear fruit; fruits are same, peduncle grooved, somewhat woody (not sure, maybe corky instead)
As for sepals it is the most confusing part. Of all the flowers i have examined only 3 or 4 have somewhat foliaceous sepals at the tip. But, this foliaceous part is variable (pic xx399 in this latest record), one having distinct while another is narrow wing like along the linear sepal.
Surely the fruits can be said xerox copies of your photograph in page 53 of your book. Also the leaves in page 51.
Also, it can be said that my plant(s), except for sepal confusion, is a copy of the illustration in FoC.
On the other hand all the three plants certainly oppose the record of C. moschata by Dr. Haines, “The species is easily recognised by its general softness,..”
But, then i might be very wrong, perhaps C. pepo is much more harsh-rigid-prickly than i am thinking of.

Please follow them till maturity to resolve. Here in Delhi there are two types of fruits sold in the market. Those looking similar to yours sold as petha (most commonly) or kadu  or safed kadu (some as Sita phal) and cooked as vegetable. These are globose, dark green with white lines or patches, almost flat or depressed top. The second is sold almost yellow in colour (second photograph in my book), elongated, almost oblong and up to 80 cm long, mostly sold as Sita phal, cooked as vegetable but more commonly as sweet halwa. Inititially I had thought them to be two different species, former as C. pepo and latter as C. moschata, but latter changed my mind after seeing wide range of fruits in the market and images of ayote squash on the net and its description in Vegetable crops by Balakrishnan.

   As I wrote earlier may be you will be able to give me a clear picture after studying your vines in detail and following up fruits till maturity.


The more i read the more it gets complicated to conclude. I surely would follow the plants in my home. We eat its leaf as SHAG/SHAK (significantly rough & bland tasted compared to Indian spinach) and the fruits as vegetable. We do not prepare any pumpkin-HALWA and the same can be said about my friends/neighbour.
Meanwhile, it has grooved/sulcate peduncle of pepo (Hooker & Haines), prickly (pepo, Hooker), but, 1) leaves are not deeply five-lobed (Prain) 2) problem of sepal, 3) doubt over if petiole can be called pungent (pepo, Prain).
Herbarium in the net is not helpul –
This plant is known as BIBI KUMRA locallly. I forgot to mention that we also eat its flower (male) fried with gram-flour.
After much thought I think it is C. moschata Duchesne as you have already identified in your book or in eFI.
Spathulate sepals (however variable it may be), pentagonal peduncle with broad/expanded attachment should precede any other discrepancies in leaf or hair characteristics.
 
Thank you very much for this very educative discussion.


Photographs of partly mature fruits and seeds, recorded on 29/11/13.


Only one plant is still alive and these fruits are growing on this very plant. I checked 10 fruits today and only two of those fruits have foliaceous sepals. It is interesting to note that foliaceous sepals when present in a particular fruit are not identical to each other. This upload is meant only for update/record.


Thanks a lot … for detailed uploads.


Thank you Sir, hope to find other Cucurbita someday, specially the big one in the fields.


 

 

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Cucurbita Species : Cucurbitaceae : Bangalore : 150914 : AK-14 : 6 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1).  
A small Pumpkin, barely 6 inches across, less than a kilo, seen in Bangalore market in Nov, 2013.

Cucurbita pepo or Cucurbita moschata?
For id confirmation.


Show attached stalk if you can. Looks C. moschata.


Sorry, only this picture. I will take picture of the stem when I come across this Pumpkin again. 


 

 

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At the same Friends Of Trees Exhibition in Feb, 2014.

For correct identification.


Again Cucurbita moschata,


 

 

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One more Cucurbita which was flat, but the stem cannot be seen, as it was kept the other way.

At the same exhibition in Feb.


Same Ayote squash, Cucurbita moschata.


 

 

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Seen at the Friends Of Trees Exhibition in Mumbai on 22/2/14.

Species id please.


Cucurbita moschata, Ayote squash, goes by several names in India, petha, kadu, sita phal


 

 

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Hooghly : sk-Oct-12 : Cucurbita moschata Duchesne : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (7).  
Today from market. ‘Fairytale’ cultivar?


 

 

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Pumpkin For ID : Cucurbitaceae : California : 08MAR15 : AK-7 : 9 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
Pumpkin seen at the Farmer’s Market in Fremont on 28/9/14.

For correct id please.


pl check Gurcharanji’s book and you’ll have your own answers


Cucurbita moschata


This would be Fairytale Pumpkin or Cindrella Pumpkin?


Cindrella is C. maxima with soft stalk, not expanded at end

This is C. moschata, a Fairytale 


Thanks a lot. I appreciate your patience in teaching & guiding me always. 


 

 

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Re: Cucurbita ? : 7 posts by 5 authors. 5 images.
This is from Kalimpong, West Bengal
Please confirm the species 

Looks like Cucurbita pepo (common pumpkin) that is round, with smooth, slightly ribbed skin, and most often deep yellow to orange coloration. Many coloured cultivars exist… 


Cucurbita pepo ! 


In Hindi it is called kaddu or Kashiphal.

I think Cucurbita moschata Duchesne as per details and comparative images at Cucurbita  


Thank you very much. I was told, it to be Cucurbita pepo but I also agree with you, it to be Cucurbita moschata. Kindly verify 

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