Platanus orientalis L., Sp. Pl. 999 1753. (syn: Platanus algeriensis hort. ex K.Koch; Platanus cuneata Willd.; Platanus digitata hort. ex Steud.; Platanus elongata Steud.; Platanus insularis Kotschy ex Koehne; Platanus intermedia hort. ex Chow; Platanus laciniata hort. ex K.Koch; Platanus macrophylla Cree ex W.H.Baxter; Platanus nana hort. ex K.Koch; Platanus nepalensis hort. ex W.H.Baxter; Platanus orientalior Dode; Platanus orientalis var. insularis A.DC.; Platanus palmata Moench; Platanus pyramidalis Bolle ex Koehne; Platanus reuteri hort. ex K.Koch; Platanus umbraculifera hort. ex K.Koch;Platanus umbrosa Salisb.; Platanus undulata Steud.; Platanus vulgaris Spach);

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Chinar, Oriental plane • Hindi: चिनार Chinar • Urdu: Chinar چنار ;
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Platanus orientails the most famous chinar tree of Kashmir, very commonly grown in Parks, Gardens and avenues. There is a famous garden in Dal lake known as char chinar, with four trees of chinar, a favourite tourist spot. Another example of vicariance. Its American couterpart is P. occidentalis.
I am providing the link of P. occidentalis for comparison.

A tentative description and illustration from Eflora of China
Description:: http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200010590
Illustration:: http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=115268&flora_id=5


Here is California sycamore, Platanus racemosa, growing in the Santa Monica Mountains, Malibu, CA USA.
This grove of over thirty genetically-identical trees is the result of one individual specimen that has fallen and rerooted multiple times. It is common for this to occur when specimens are found near bodies of water.
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Thanks for the link. I have photographs of both P. occidentalis and P. racemosa from California, but I did not upload them firstly because they were on another hard disc and secondly to restrict upload to Indian plants. Links are easier solutions for comparison.

 

Chinar Tree from Chail Himachal Pradesh
Platanus orientalis
taken 11 June 2006


Thanks for posting Platanus. This reminded me Hibiscus platanifolius (leaves look similar to that of Platanus, so the name?). I will post it in seperate mail.


Excellent photo …, I have taken some photos when we visited Kashmir last year. The trees are majestic looking and are protected in Kashmir.  I will post some photos.


Thank u all. Can anyone suggest a nursery from where i may have plants of Chinar


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As promised I am sending some photos of Chinar trees taken in Kashmir.

Hope you like it.

4 images.


Very nice photos … This species is not typically cultivated in the US. Instead, we have the complex hybrid P. X acerifolia, as well as native P. occidentalis, P. racemosa, P. wrightii, as well as the Mexican P. Mexicana.


 

Good photographs, reminding me more of Kashmir.

Platanus orientalis growing primarily in the Mediterranean presents an example vicariance with its closely related species of America, P. occidentalis; … is so familiar with.


What a coincidence. I was typing you name at the same time you were typing your mail.


Thank you very much for sending these photos.
In our young age there was a song in marathi in which there was a comparison of Chinar tree with Termerind tree!!
After looking at your photos i really feel like laughing like … Ha Ha Ha, though it may not suit my age!
the song was
He chincheche zad dise maj chinar vrukshapari
Disashi tu disashi tu disashi tu navtaruni Kashmiri
that is this termerind tree looks to me as a chinar tree and you like a Kashmiri beautiful lady.

sorry for diversion from identification of trees


It was not diversion rather important interjunction. Chinar tree being huge deciduous tree loses its leaves in October-November. Locals gather these leaves into heaps, burn them under control (rather ground fire with only smoke and not flame coming out) so that these leaves are converted into flakes of charcoal. Locals use these in their Kangri, which may remain heated for up to two days with one filling of Chinar charcoal.


How do you manage to hunt out such good sites? Great job done.


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I am sending a picture of Chinar trees shot at the Mata Khirbhavaniji Temple, Srinagar.  When you look above at the chinar trees, you see the map of  India.
Hope it is interesting to you.


Seen at many places in and around Manali. H. P.
I think this is Platanus orientalis the Chinar tree.
Comments awaited.


I am sending a photo of Chinar Tree taken from the Chashmeshahi Garden, Srinagar.

Please give your comments.


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Maple Flowers: Sharing a picture of Maple flowers seen at Shimla.


Not Maple … It is Platanus orientalis, the Chinar tree


Yes Sir There are many Chinar tree in Institute of advanced Studies Summer Hill and on on Mall Road /Ridge ground very near to Gaity Theater in shimla


yes NOT MAPLE FLOWERS …they are small almost nondescript Green with thousands of grain of yellow-green pollen that showers down on people, cars, road tarmac etc… causing tremendous allergic reaction,
conjunctivitis in susceptible folks…


Some thing similar happend with me also when first visited California. I found a common tree on roadsides that looked similar to both maple and Platanus, Not being able to identify it myself due to lack of literature, I
sent photographs to Group TAXACOM (I was not member of indiantreepix then) with comments “A tree with leaves like maple and inflorescence like Platanus” it was soon identified as Liquidambar styraciflua.


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For Id 161011 NS3: Photographed this beautiful small tree ( 20-25 feet ) @ Pu La Deshpande Garden, Pune on Oct 1st 11.
Looked like some maple sp.
Can we Id this without fruits / flowers ????


i also saw this tree i think this is maple tree.


Maple tree has opposite leaves. This looks like Platanus orientalis but I am surprised that it can grow in Pune.


WAIT till non-conspicuous greenish flowers develop if maple, and then tell-tale fruits… you have your proof then…
in the mean time can you closer and get this very young tree’s young bark…
though older more developed bark would be helpful


yes yes this Platanus orientalis (chinar, चिनार )


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Platanus orientalis from Uttarakhand: Oct. 2014_DSR_4 : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2).
Platanus orientalis L. (Platanaceae) is planted all along the Mall Road in Naini Tal, Uttarakhand. This tree more popularly known as ‘Chinar’ is a beautiful tree imparting attractive autumn colour to surrounding.

Can be mistaken for Maple (Acer) due to similar leaves but inflorescence is very different.

Thanks, …, for all the wonderful uploads.


If there is any plant which really resembles the two, it is Liquidambar styraciflua. I found this as very common avenue tree in California in my first visit to USA. Not being able to identify it myself because of nonavailability of literature, I sent it to TAXACOM forum with note “A tree with leaves like maple and inflorescence like Platanus” it was soon identified as Liquidambar styraciflua. I will upload it soon


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HP, Oct 2014 :: Requesting ID validation – Platanus (?) :: ARKNOV-68 : 18 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (4).

Requesting to please validate ID of this tree captured in Manali, HP in October 2014.

Is this Platanus orientalis?


sycamore

I would love to see what the entire tree looked like


The entire foliage is captured in the 4th pic. It was not a big tree, a smallish to medium sized tree.


Yes it is Platunus orientalis. Planted at Manali


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Here is a picture of the entire Tree. It has good canopy but leaves do not develop the colour it develop as in Kashmir in the autumn.

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thank you for sharing… this canopy and tree shape is rounded/oval overall.

leaves seem to be more deeply notched in this variety (… pic) and canopy oval. (Your pic)


It was photographed at two different places in Shimla. Photo quality may be somewhat poor as I have saved it as jpeg from my presentation (ppt).


thats’ perfectly alright
its the shape that counts…
and it does here


Here is another photograph clicked at Solan exhibiting Autumn Colours.


All the four photographs displayed earlier belong to Chinar (Kashmiri). But the single photo cilcked at Solan by …  is of American Sycamore i.e. Platanus occidentalis. I had planted both the species raised through cuttings at UHF Botanical Garden Nauni side by side and by the time I retired as Prof & Head on 31.03.2010, these had grown to quite tall trees. I had supplied rooted plants of these trees to many clients as well as the state Forest Deptt.


Very nice short history. thank you.
SO in all these years did you or your students must have kept an eye on these growing and may be a log?
and some pictures of the saplings and grown trees
you have access to them?


My first slide contained two plants of Platanus orientalis. They were photographed at The Ridge, Shimla and Rest House in Mashobra. My second second photograph was clicked in Botanical Garden of your
Department. Even I was confused with gross morphology of this plant.
Thanks for familiarizing me with Platanus occidentalis, a new to me.


thanks for the follow up, a second species.
For the sake of our database could you please upload the last picture with the new diagnosis and start a new thread?

that way we will have both platanus species growing in india …

and please mention the town/district/feet above sea level if you know it …


I am posting the second species (P. occidentalis) in a new thread as desired by you. I have only one photograph of this plant. If Prof. Chauhan Sir has not pointed out, it might have remained mixed up with P. orientalis.


Yes
that’s why life’s worth of knowledge is soooo very important..

I appreciate … telling about this


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Platanus orientalis L. : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (7)- around 600 kb each.
Location:  Godawari, Nepal  
Date: 18 April 2018
Altitude: 5000 ft.
Habit: Cultivated
Nepali Name :  चिनार Chinaar 


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SK409 06MAR-2017:ID : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
Location:  Beijing, China
Altitude: 100 ft.
Date: 19 October 2014

I hope Platanus orientalis, a better view of leaf especially terminal lobe would help in confirming


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