Rubus creticus Tourn. ex L., Fl. Palaest.: 15 (1756), nom. rej. prop. (syn: Rubus albicans Krašan ; Rubus amoenus (Port. ex Vis.) FockeRubus anatolicus (Focke) Hausskn.Rubus dalmatinus (Tratt.) Guss.Rubus dalmatinus f. ardeatina EversRubus discolor Boiss.Rubus discolor var. amoenus (Port. ex Vis.) Pérez LaraRubus discolor subsp. amoenus (Port. ex Vis.) NymanRubus fruticosus var. amoenus Port. ex W.D.J.KochRubus fruticosus var. amoenus Port. ex Vis.Rubus fruticosus f. dalmatinus (Tratt.) FioriRubus fruticosus var. dalmatinus Tratt. ; Rubus parviflorus Weston; Rubus rotundifolius Krašan ; Rubus sanctus Schreb.; Rubus sanctus var. chaniensis J.Scheff.Rubus sanctus var. cretensis J.Scheff.Rubus sanctus f. cuneatus HrubyRubus sanctus f. cyclophyllus HrubyRubus sanctus f. orientalis Czecott & HrubyRubus sanctus ulmifolius (Schott) KuntzeRubus sanguineus Friv.Rubus sanguineus var. cyclophyllus (Hruby) MarkovaRubus turcomanicus FreynRubus ulmifolius subsp. anatolicus FockeRubus ulmifolius var. anatolicus (Focke) Heldr.Rubus ulmifolius var. dalmatinus (Tratt.) EversRubus ulmifolius subsp. dalmatinus (Tratt.) FockeRubus ulmifolius dalmatinus (Tratt.) FockeRubus ulmifolius subsp. sanctus (Schreb.) Sudre);
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E. Medit. to Turkmenistan and W. Himalaya: Albania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, East Aegean Is., Egypt, Greece, Iraq, Kriti, Krym, Lebanon-Syria, Libya, North Caucasus, Pakistan, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Sinai, Transcaucasus, Turkey, Turkey-in-Europe, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, West Himalaya, Yugoslavia as per POWO;
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Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir-GSSEP101/101 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (4)
Rubus ulmifolius, photographed from Srinagar Kashmir

After prolonged confusion over Rubus ulmifolius and Rubus sanctus, the current understanding is that the two are different species. Rubus ulmifolius is a European species and has no distribution in Kashmir, not even in West Asia. The accepted name for Rubus sanctus, is Rubus creticusand is believed to be native to West Himalaya, in addition to E. Medit. to Turkmenistan.

So, all sightings of Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir should logically be taken as Rubus creticus. It grows wild in Kashmir and kids there love eating the black-colored berries.


Yes …, the species described by FBI as R. fruticosus var discolor (based on R. discolor Weihe & Nees; Boiss) was considered as R. ulmifolius in Flora Afghanistan, which we followed for many years. Our plant is now considered as synonym of R. creticus Tourne ex L. by POWO. Thanks for digging it out.


In fact there is lot of confusion regarding R. discolor. Our Plant is R. discolor Boise (synonym of R. creticus Tourne ex L., not R. discolor Weihe & Nees which is synonym of R. ulmifolius.



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Rosaceae Week_ ID Request- Srinagar-041011PKA!:
Requesting you all to kindly help me with the ID..
Date/Time: 24-09-2011 / 08:30AM
Location: Srinagar, near Dal Lake.
Habitat: Planted (Seen on the compound wall of a hotel).

Rubus ulmifolius please


I have some doubt about the leaves. The of my plant were sort of Trifoliate where as Leaves for Rubus ulmifolius as mentioned in FOI site are compound with 5 leaflets.


No … Most leaves are trifoliate. Only a few basal ones may be 5-foliate. This plant I had compared with R. discolor (name given in FBI) and discussed in my thesis. No doubts please!!!


But then those leaves shown in FOI in second and third photograph actually don’t belong to this species. There is some mix up. They are two species. I will upload soon in this week.


It should be Rubus creticus as per discussions at Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir-GSSEP101/101

Thanks, …, for pointing it out and … for confirmation.


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Rosaceae week- Rubus ulmifolius?:
think this one is Rubus ulmifolius?
Location: Dachigam Forest, Near Srinagar,
Date/Time: 24-09-2011 / 03:$%PM

I seem to have posted the same flower for id just now!


Yes Rubus ulmifolius


It should be Rubus creticus as per discussions at Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir-GSSEP101/101
Thanks, …, for pointing it out and … for confirmation.


 


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Seen during visit in Sept, 2011.


Rubus species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net)


Can it be Rubus niveus?


efi page on Rubus niveus


Appears close to images at Rubus ulmifolius Schott (Introduced)


It should be Rubus creticus as per discussions at Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir-GSSEP101/101
Thanks, …, for pointing it out and … for confirmation.


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Rosaceae Week : Request for ID : 051011 : AK-2:
Taken on the 10th of Sept, at Srinagar, Kashmir growing over a fence.
Had these orange berries and pink flowers.
These seem close to … Elm-leaf Blackberry on FOI with a slight variation in the flower.


Rubus sp.


Is this id also the same as …  post, Rubus ulmifolius?


To me also appears close to images at Rubus ulmifolius Schott (Introduced)


It should be Rubus creticus as per discussions at Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus ulmifolius from Kashmir-GSSEP101/101
Thanks, …, for pointing it out and … for confirmation.



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References:
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