Agrimonia aitchisonii Schönbeck-Temesy, Fl. Iranica 66: 151 (1969) (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.);
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Jammu & Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh as per BSI Flora of India;
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Kalatope id al040711a:
A plant by the roadside blooming now
Location Kalatope, Chamba
Altitude 2100 mts
Habit herb
Habitat Wild
Height 20 inches

Agrimonia eupatoria


Oh yes Gemeine Odermennig (Agrimonia eupatoria/) supposed to have magical powers against witches. 😉


THANKS… really needed this potion… according to the villagers.. I have been bewitched.. which is why I go around like a madman…. poking around the bushes… running after the birds and butterflies.. and sometimes even on my knees and elbows in the mud… :))


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road



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Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický, Feddes Repert. 79: 35. 1968.
Perennial herb with horizontal rhizome, glandular hairy; leaves uninterruptedly imparipinnate with 3-5 leaflets, margin crenate; flowers 11-13 mm across in spike-like terminal racemes, yellow; fruit
8-10 mm across with spreading prickles, outer most prickles recurved.
European and American var. eupatoria is distinct in erect rootstock, being less hairy and less deeply grooved calyx
Another Himalayan species A. pilosa is distinct in smaller flowers (7-9 mm across), fruit 7-8 mm with rickles initially erect later becoming connivent.
Photographed from Chakrata Deovan Road on September 17

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Thanks sir for the upload, I am also uploading mine here.


Id has to be reconsidered as Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický does not have any distribution in India or Pakistan as per BSI Flora of IndiaPOWOFlora of ChinaFlora of Nepal and CoL

On the other hand, BSI Flora of India mentions another species as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) with distribution in Western Himalayas. (POWO and CoL give its distribution in Pakistan).

Can we find out the difference between Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) and A.pilosa ?


Should we take it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.)?


As no feedback received, I am taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) for the time being.



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Kalatope id September al280911a:
Yellows always confuse me since while driving by.. from a distance I cannot make out the difference…
Location Kalatope, Chamba Himachal
Altitude 2100 mts
Habit herb
Habitat wild
Plant height 30 inches

Agrimonia eupatoria ssp. asiatica


Yes Sir same as we saw in Chakrata area


How we differentiate between the two species Agrimonia pilosa and A. eupatoria


Here it is …, fruits are the easiest identification
Agrimonia eupatoria                                                        Agrimonia pilosa

Stipules semiorbicular, herbaceous.                                  Stipules falcate, rarely ovate or ovate-lanceolate,
margin coarsely acutely serrate or lobed    
Flowers 12–13 mm in diam                                               Flowers 6-9 mm in diam
Fruiting hypanthium 8–10 × ca. 5 mm                              Fruiting hypanthium 7–8 × 3–4 mm 
including prickles, outer prickles recurved,                       including prickles, prickles erect when
innermost ones spreading.
                                                young, connivent when old


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road



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Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický, Feddes Repert. 79: 35. 1968.
Perennial herb with horizontal rhizome, glandular hairy; leaves uninterruptedly imparipinnate with 3-5 leaflets, margin crenate; flowers 11-13 mm across in spike-like terminal racemes, yellow; fruit 8-10 mm across with spreading prickles, outer most prickles recurved.
European and American var. eupatoria is distinct in erect rootstock, being less hairy and less deeply grooved calyx
Another Himalayan species A. pilosa is distinct in smaller flowers (7-9 mm across), fruit 7-8 mm with rickles initially erect later becoming connivent.
Photographed from Chakrata Deovan Road on September 17

Thanks Sir I am also uploading mines. You are also there in these pics with this plant


Pl include photograph of fruit from … set. It is diagnostic character for this species


good for gout…


yes …
In olden times.. in western herbal uses …oil was made with all parts of the plants or leaves and roots… used externally.. on affected joints… toes?
for Internal use….and a tea was made of leaves… usually a handful (is what they said in class) ( I find a tea bag contains about 1gm of dry herb, any herb, usually translates to 5 grams of fresh, if succulent about 10 grams) I personally think Agrimony reduces edema and so helps in gout related swelling…
Modern herbalists prescribe it for many different things for which I dont have any confidence.. they use it for upset stomach??? why??? no one can tell… and as gargle… that I can understand… it reduces inflammation…. ONE CAVEAT…
ANY HERB(S) that one uses… use it for five days, lay off for two days… continue upto five weeks if needed, and lay off for two weeks…
this is a caution every one must follow…
If people have gout… they must lay off many things in diets… local GP can help make a diet plan based on the patient’s dietary habits which are soooo very different in different part of India…
DID this answer your question???

I think this plant is Agrimoni pilosa, for the following reasons.
1. The size of the Agrimonia pilosa flower is supposed to be approximately 5-9 mm. From the …. image Agrimonia-eupatoria (5), I estimate the size of the flower to be around that. I assume that an average thumb is 2 cm across and an average index finger is 1.5 cm across.
2. According to Polunin & Stainton, A. pilosa is distinguished by its top-shaped fruit with numerous hooked spines. …. fruit pictures seem to agree with this description.
Moreover, I doubt that A. eupatoria subsp. asiatica is distributed in this region.
Will wait for your feedback,


The flower size created doubt in my mind also, but the fruit in … photographs led me to think about A. eupatoria. In A. pilosa the spines on fruit are erect when young, connivent when old. In A. eupatoria they are spreading, outermost recurved http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=100836
The fruit in … photograph very much resemles that of …, Most plants of Kalatope are covered in Flora Simlensis, which does not describe A. pilosa.
https://mail.google.com/mail/=132b096e…
The two species are very close. It would be best to wait till my next visit to Kashmir in 2012, where I may be able to find and photograph A. aupatoria, because A. pilosa does not grow in Kashmir.

Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road


Yes



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Rosaceae Fortnight: Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica from Batote J & K-GSSEP02/02 : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický, photographed from Batote J & K

Very nice Sir. Please give me some tips on the family, like how do I know if a species belongs to rosaceae.


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road


Yes


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As I am going to Kashmir for ten days on Sept 1  I may not be able for some initial days due to non availability of internet there. As such I am beginning uploads of Rosaceae Fortnight two days earlier. I will complete remaining upon returning from Kashmir. 
Agrimonia eupatoria Linnaeus subsp. asiatica (Juzepczuk) Skalický, Feddes Repert. 79: 35. 1968.
Perennial herb with horizontal rhizome, glandular hairy; leaves uninterruptedly imparipinnate with 3-5 leaflets, margin crenate; flowers 11-13 mm across in spike-like terminal racemes, yellow; fruit
8-10 mm across with spreading prickles, outer most prickles recurved.
European and American var. eupatoria is distinct in erect rootstock, being less hairy and less deeply grooved calyx
Another Himalayan species A. pilosa is distinct in smaller flowers (7-9 mm across), fruit 7-8 mm with rickles initially erect later becoming connivent.
Photographed from Chakrata Deovan Road on September 17 

Thanks Sir, here we see cultivated roses only from the family.


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road


Yes



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Rosaceae Fortnight: Agrimonia eupatoria from Kashmir : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
Plz confirm Id of Agrimonia eupatoria from Kashmir


efi page on Agrimonia eupatoria ssp. asiatica


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road


Yes



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Saw this plant along the Govindghat-Ghangaria trail, Uttarakhand in Aug 2018.
The pics resemble Agrimonia species pics in efi.
Requested to please provide ID, if possible.

Pl. check comparative images and keys at Agrimonia

Found some additional pics. These might help in identifying.
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Agrimonia pilosa Ledeb.?? Leaf condition is not good !


Thanks … for the ID. Did you have a look at the additional pics I attached. The fruit pics are quite clear.


Thanks, … Pl. try to check the keys in efi site.


I will go for Agrimonia eupatoria ssp. asiatica as per keys at Agrimonia.


Taking it as Agrimonia aitchisonii Schonb.Tem. (syn: Agrimonia eupatoria sensu Hook.f.) as per discussions at Rosaceae Week: Agrimonia eupatoria subsp. asiatica from Chakrata Deovan Road



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References:
BSI Flora of India  POWO  CoL

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