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Identification. : 7 posts by 6 authors. Attachments (1)

Please identification this one taken at Himachal Pradesh.
july 2011.Please kindly id.


Primula macrophylla?


Does Look like it.. although would like to see … view on this..


This should be Primula macrophylla var. moocroftiana.
The white centre in the flowers is evident in the pic.


I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.
Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.
Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.
The image taken in Himachal Pradesh fits with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.
Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.

 



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This high altitude herb was recorded from near Hemkunt Sahib, Uttrakhand..
Was identified as Primula macrophylla.. please validate/correct

Yes Sir,


I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden). The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century. 

Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future. 

Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species. 

The images taken fit with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m. 

Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.


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VoF Week: Primula macrophylla var. macrophylla from way to Hemkund Sahib:
Primula macrophylla var. macrophylla from way to Hemkund Sahib
pls validate


Very good photographs


I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden). The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century. 

Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future. 

Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species. 

The image taken in Himachal Pradesh fits with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m. 

Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.


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VoF Week – Primulaceae – Primula macrophylla D. Don:  9 posts by 7 authors. 2 images.

Primula macrophylla D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 80. 1825.
Family: PRIMULACEAE
Current pic taken just below the main Gurudwara of Hem Kunt Sahib.

Sorry …, budhape me galatiya hoon jaati hai…. 🙁 You are right, this is Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana. !!


I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.
Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.
Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.
The image taken in Himachal Pradesh fits with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.
Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.


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Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana (Wallich ex Klatt) W. W. Smith & H. R. Fletcher, Trans. Roy. Soc. Edinburgh. 60: 590. 1942.
Synonym:
Primula moorcroftiana Wallich ex Klatt, J. Bot. 6: 120. 1868.
Family: PRIMULACEAE
Current pic taken just below the main Gurudwara of Hem Kunt Sahib.

I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.
Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.
Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.
The image taken in Himachal Pradesh fits with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.
Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.

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I think P. macrophylla var. moorcroftiana ( deeply bilobed corolla lobes; flowers less than 10)


Yes, agree with … P. macrophylla var. moorcroftiana (= P. moorcroftiana Wall. ex Klatt).


Thank you for the ID sir. I got confused with this and the plants from Hemkunt sahib.


Wonderful first image.  I have only seen this Primula at the fruiting stage on the Rohtang.
I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.
Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.
Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.
The image taken in Himachal Pradesh fits with what I currently consider to be typical Primula moorcroftiana (syn. Primula macrophylla var. moorcroftiana).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.
Please note that I have observed and photographed Primulas of this complex in the Kashmir Valley which do not fit either P.moorcroftiana, P.macrophylla or P.meeboldii – thus at least one more taxon is involved.



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Date 14th June 2011
Location: Paddar valley district Kishtwar J&K.
Altitude: 4130 meters asl
GPS: 33.30 N and 76.34 E
Plant habit/habitat: Wild herb
Plant height; 1-2 feets

I consider this to be an UNIDENTIFIED TAXON WITHIN THE PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA COMPLEX.
May I draw attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato – meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.
Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.
Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.
The image taken in the Paddar fits with what I photographed on the Sinthan Pass in the Kashmir Valley (with borders Kishtwar). It does not fit Primula macrophylla (P.macrophylla var. macrophylla) nor Primula moorcroftiana (P.macrophylla var. moorcroftiana) nor Primula meeboldii.  It may well represent a separate taxon which in time might be published as a distinct species.
I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang Pass in Hiamchal Pradesh.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.
I have found Primula macrophylla sensu stricto to vary a lot – so may well be subdivided at some point but the plant photographed in the VOF is not Primula moorcroftiana nor P.meeboldii nor matches the unknown(s) in Kashmir.

It appears more closer to Primula macrophylla var. moocroftiana rather than Primula macrophylla as per images and details herein.


In fact appears more close to Primula nivalis as per

yes …


Primula nivalis differs from P, macrophylla (which was previously placed under P. nivalis as a variety) in leaves with denticulate margin, and shorter leaves as against entire margin and longer leaves in Primula macrophylla. I don’t think after separation of P. macrophylla and P. moorcroftiana, P. nivalis would be found in India.
Any one having access to The Genus Primula L. in India : A Taxonomic Revision by S.K. Basak, G. Maiti & P.K. Hajra published in 2014 can confirm.


 


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