Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’

Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ ;
.
Common name: Chromatella Waterlily, Waterlily Marliacea Chromatella’ • Manipuri: Tharo napu
.

/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea-mexicana-khalsa-11-5-DSC00563-Delhi-6.jpg/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea-mexicana-Delhi-2-4.jpg/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea-mexicana-Delhi-3.jpg/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea-mexicana-Delhi-1.jpg
Menispermaceae, Berberidaceae, Nymphaeaceae and Nelumbonaceae Fortnight: Nymphaeaceae- Nuphar x marliacea from Delhi-GSOCT16 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6).
Nymphaea ×marliacea Lat.-Marl., W. Watson, Garden (London) 33:292, t. 642. 1888 Mar (Gard. Chron. ser. 3, 3:564. 1888 May). A hybrid between N. alba x N. mexicana
Photographed from Lily pond of Khalsa College Delhi

Sorry for Nuphar in Subject line

[efloraofindia:35852] Nymphaea candida from Delhi Pl validate : 13 posts by 7 authors. Attachments (5)
Nymphaea candida growing in Lily pond of our College. For some time I was considering this as N. alba but as per Flora Europaea and Flora of China the two differ in that stigmatic disc is depressed and stigmatic rays less than 14 in N. candida as against flat or slightly convex disc and more than 14 rays in N. alba. Kindly compare and validate.

Yes I too think it’s Nymphaea candida Sir Ji

Nymphaea candida is supposed to have ovate-oblong petals. The petals in the pictures here look too pointy. My second doubt comes from the color of the flower, which looks pale yellow rather than white.
I suspect it to be Nymphaea mexicana. See the following links:
http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=14548
http://www.ew.govt.nz/Mexican-water-lily-Nymphaea-mexicana/
However, I cannot say all this confidently.

Yes I hope you are correct …, the flower has a yellow shade .

From the links provided by … it seems to be Nymphaea Mexicana

… may be right. I had identified this as Nymphaea candida and got it confirmed from an authority in KEW, but only question mark was that N. candida is a species of colder climate. For me the flowers were white but yes I agree they have yellowish tinge. Other features that support … conclusion are that both leaves (when crowded) and flowers rise above water surface. The only two things that bother me now are larger leaves up to 30 cm across (they are generally supposed to be less than 18 cm in N. mexicana), and absence of brownish spots on the under side.
For present N. mexicana is the logical conclusion.

From you mail it seems that this plant is a chimeric by nature containing characters of both N mexicana and N candida. The point you are referring to is quite visible in your photograph. Can you kindly check from the authorities in KEW whether N candida sometimes have such yellow tinge in them. Their confirmation will a great link to solve the ID of this aquatic plant or at least we can get a good link from them.

I doubt the yellow colour to be seen. The yellow colour is seen only near the anthers. Especially the flower from outside seen too clear white.
Where as in the link send by … for mexicana the petals are yello in colour even from outside, or overall
may be i am wrong

I checked up with the illustrations given in ‘Waterlilies in India’ by R. Ansari and G. Jeeja. It looks more lie Nymphaea malabarica. Any opinion Dr. Ansari?.
Is there any illustrated book on Lotuses?

Nymphaea malabarica is now considered as synonym of N. nauchali in which the stamens have distinct appendages and petals are tinged with red or blue.
My plant agrees more with N. candida (petals at least outer white, leaves larger and nearly 12 stigma rays and concave disc) and N. mexicana (tropical habitat, yellowish inner petals and raised leaves and flowers). It may ultimately turn out to be a hybrid in nature. Let watch it further and get more opinions.

Nymphaea ×marliacea Lat.-Marl., as per another thread.

Stewart in his ‘An Annotated Catalogue of the Vascular Plants of Pakistan & Kashmir’ (1972) lists:
Nymphaea alba L. – common on Kashmir Lakes.
Nymphaea candida Presl. – Kashmir Lakes according to Jacquemont.
Nymphaea nouchalii Burm. f. – Sind, Punjab
Nymphaea lotus L. – Sind
Nymphaea stellata Willd. – Sind and Punjab
Nymphaea tetragona Georgi – Kashmir Lakes 1500-2700m incl. Tangmarg & Gulmarg
Stewart commented that the water lilies of Pakistan & Kashmir had been neglected with too little material in herbaria.
Has this genus been studied since then by Indian botanists or specialists elsewhere?
I photographed a Nymphaea on Nageen Lake, Srinagar, during my last visit to Kashmir (see attached images). Cannot say these images match well those of N.alba available on the internet (IF these are correct, of course).
Does anyone have specialist knowledge of this genus?
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_0455.jpg
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_0427_1.jpg
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_2436.jpg

efloraofindia:”For Id 10102012MR3’’ Which sp of Nymphaea is this at Pune:
June & Sep 2012 at Pune
Water lily at my home. Which sp of Nymphaea is this ?

when you buy the bulb they are supposed to have told you, did they or didn’t they? also ask them if they hybridize lilies?
… at the nursery it was told to be a water lily. They did not know the name. I do not think they hybridize lilies.
Can it be Nymphaea ‘Clyde Ikins’ Hardy Waterlily
http://plantexplorer.longwoodgardens.1&startpage=1
Pl. see discussions at Lotus for ID 060710MN
My thinking goes for Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ as images and references herein.
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_0427_2.jpg
efloraofindia:” water lily showing color variation from peach yellow to pink at Pune :27032014: MR-2: (mixed thread): 1 correct image as above. 4 posts by 2 authors.
sharing images of a water lily plant showing color variation of the flower from peach yellow to pink. is this normal variation?

May be different Nymphaea species. Leaves may be of help in determining the Id.

/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_6054_-.jpg

Thank you …, attaching pictures of leaves

Are these from the same plant or different plants ?

May be Nymphaea marliacea var. rosea and Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ respectively as per images and references herein.

I think these should be from different plants.

/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_1086.JPG/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_1085.JPG
Water Lily For ID : Muscat : 10OCT16 : AK-15 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
Water Lily plant with a yellow flower seen in a farm near Muscat.
Picture taken in Feb,16.

Some Nymphaea species

My thinking goes for Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ as images and references herein.
 /wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Waterlily-Nasik-DSCN1334.JPG
Water Lily For ID : Nasik : 230714 : AK-42 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
Another cultivated water lily at a plant nursery in Nasik.

I search So many web page I think It is a hybrid Spps. I attached a weblink for your perusal.
http://www.liliumaquae.com/en/gallery/hardy-waterlilies/yellow/nymphaea-joey-tomocik/

The flower uploaded may be Nymphaea ordorata

May be Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ respectively as per images and references herein.
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/IMG_9467.JPG

a picture for you – indiantreepix | Google Groups :
Beautiful water lillies in sanjeeviaha park hyderbad

/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/lotus2.jpg
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/lotus.jpg
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/lotus3.jpg
Lotus for ID 060710MN :  Attachments (3). 11 posts by 6 authors.

Date/Time :

 June 2009- 9.00am

 Location- Place, altitude and GPS:

Dal lake, Srinagar

 Habitat- garden/ urban/wild/type:

 Water

 Plant Habit-tree/shrub/climber/herb:

 Herbaceous

 Height/length:

 1 ft. 

 Leaves-type/shape/size:

Round

 Inflorescence type /size:

 —-

 Flowers-size/colour/calyx/bracts:

 Medium, yellow

 Fruits type-shape/size/seeds:

 Not seen

The flowers look like a lily (Nymphaea sp. and the leaves look like a Lotus sp.

The flower which is plucked is a waterlily, not a lotus. The other two pictures show leaves which are of lotus. If the flower was plucked from this place, then it probably is a lotus pond with some waterlilies also growing.

Rightfully depicted By …, Its a good example of chimeric photography !!

Thanks … and … for the reply. The flower was plucked from the same lake and same area as shown in 2nd and 3rd photo. In the 2nd photo you can see the same flower which was plucked.

……, thanks for the additional information.
In the 2nd picture (lotus3.jpg), to the left of the flower you can see a few leaves which have a deep cut on them, which goes up to the middle – these should be Waterlily leaves. On the right of the flower,
you can see a big leaf which doesn’t seem to have a cut, and the leaf stalk is attached to the middle of the leaf, from below, like in an umbrella. That should be a lotus leaf.

the first flowers is of Nymphea sps
in the second and third pic the leaves with serrate or undulate margin is Nymphea where as the light green leaves with is looking like a cup or concave in center is of Nelumbo nucifera (not Nymphaea).

I feel the first photograph, most leaves in second, a very few in third belong to Nymphaea candida, a species common in Dal Lake and differentiated from closely similar N. alba in sinus not widely flaring and innermost filaments wider. A few leaves in seconds and most in third belong to Nelumbo nucifera (in which as … mentioned leaves are without sinus (cut).

After going through detailed description in Flora of Pakistan, I feel it closer to Nymphaea alba than to Nymphaea candida

… has kept this plant as Nymphaea mexicana in FOI 
But this species has not been reported from India as per Ansari, R. and Jeeja, J. 2009. Water Lilies in India: Taxonomy and Cultivation of genus Nymphaea L. (Nymphaeaceae). Indian Association of Angiosperm Taxonomy. P. 86. as per details available at  Nymphaea‎ . On the other hand N. marliacea Latour-Marliac (N. alba x N. mexicana) [cultivated] has been reported in this document. On searching net for this species leads us to Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ as per other posting of Singh ji from Delhi & Chadwell ji from Kashmir.
There is already a report from Lalbagh, Banglore of Nymphaea marliacea var. rosea as per images and details herein.
Presentation at Aquatic Plants of India – National Biodiversity Authority (pdf- 10 MB) gives somewhat similar image of N. mexicana from Malabar Botanical Garden, but without much details.
I feel all these belong to the same species/ hybrid. Based on the above, I feel all may be Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’  
But I require expertise of others in sorting out this matter.
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea%20alba_Ooty%20Bot%20Gdn4.JPG/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Type%2019%20-IMG_1512.JPG/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Nymphaea%20alba_Ooty%20Bot%20Gdn1.JPG/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Type%2019%20-IMG_1653.JPG

Menispermaceae, Berberidaceae, Nymphaeaceae and Nelumbonaceae Fortnight :: Nymphaeaceae :: Nymphaea alba :: Ooty Botanical Garden :: ARKOCT-02 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (4).
Attached are pictures of Nymphaea alba captured at Ooty Botanical Garden in November 2013.
These pics have been posted and identified on the forum earlier.

Bangalore-Ooty November 2013 :: Requesting ID of this water plant at Ooty :: 10122013 :: ARK-01 : Attachments (4). 8 posts by 5 authors.
Requesting to please ID this water plant captured in the Ooty Botanical Gardens, Ooty in November 2013.

Nymphaea alba

I think so.

Thanks … for the feedback. However, these lilies were pale yellow in colour and not pure white. Should we still consider them Nymphaea alba?

Nymphaea nouchali

I am not the expert, but I think, color may depends on the environment and genetics. In this case the word alba does not have to be pure white. The flower color is very variable. To me, the lifted leaf margin is another important characteristic of N. alba

.

Nymphaea ‘Lemon Mist’ in FOI : 3 posts by 1 author.
Nymphaea ‘Lemon Mist’ in FOI may be Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ as per details and references herein.
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Dal%20Lake-Srinagar-DSC_0105.JPG
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Dal%20Lake-Srinagar-DSC_0106.JPG
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Dal%20Lake-Srinagar-DSC_0111.JPG
/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Dal%20Lake-Srinagar-DSC_0121.JPG
Water Lily for ID : Dal Lake,Srinagar : 300618 : AK-19 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
Found these old pictures taken at Dal Lake, Srinagar.
…, would these be Nymphaea candida?
Kindly validate.

Nymphaea candida and N. alba are very similar. Closeup of flower is necessary for exact ID
N. candida: Stigma strongly concave with conical central projection. Filaments of innermost stamens lanceolate
N. alba:  Stigma almost flat with small hemispheric projection. Filaments of innermost stamens usually as broad as anthers

Thanks for your prompt reply and the distinguishing characters.
Will keep in mind if I visit Kashmir again.
Thanks for the link. It does look similar.
.

Nympaea [?] and Nelumbo [?] collected in Jammu & Kashmir State : 3 posts by 1 author. Attachments (1)
Please find attached the images of Nympaea [?] and Nelumbo [?] collected in Jammu & Kashmir State.
This appears to be Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’ as per comparative images at Nymphaea
Thank you! Are you sure this isn’t Nelumbo lutea? I took a picture of him wild in the lake
Yes, Sure. Pl. see the discussions at Nymphaea ‘Marliacea Chromatella’
.

MS/2023/133 – Water plant for ID: 2 images.
I am forwarding herewith the photographs received with a tag yellow lotus, from another group for Id. Photographed in Mysore last week (8.10.23). Cultivated. Foe me it is a Nymphaea species. Please suggest the species ID.

Not a lotus. Yellow water lily for me.

It looks like Nymphea mexicana..

I also thought so. But refrained from suggesting

I think close to images at
https://efloraofindia.com/2014/10/31/nymphaea-marliacea-d81/