This very beautiful herb was shot from near a water source… a Primula species… shows similarity with P. vulgaris… wanted to know exact identification… you will notice the pictures without date have bluish tinge.. which was not natural.. only due to camera settings.. actual colour is bright pink… hope to get id…
It may be Prumula sessilis.
This is very strange… it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be missing something….
Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) will help my efforts to identify them. Would you also supply approximate dates of flowering?
I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn’t fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla lobe shape.
I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions.
I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow down the options nor waste time – that would not be fair on me.
I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just incase the individuals are different.
I am sorry to delay the matter, I have two submissions:
I will be happy to know your valued opinions, thanks for all your efforts.
Thanks. This information is a BIG help. I shall things further.
Most peculiar and defeating me, for the present.
Thanks for investing much of your time …, what I can do additionally at this point of time is that I can request … also who was with me and he also did take the pics.. hope some different and better views are available with him. This may take little time to execute..
Such images and information would be useful to have – and perhaps help confirm possibility novelty for Uttarakhand.
Thank you for these images. I am not sure where they were taken or at what time of year. At present I am assuming that they are taken in spring. This is a farinose plant (at least those taken from the side) with small erect sepals which can only be P. gracilipes a common and widespread spring flowering forest species in Nepal. With this farina the only other possibility is P. irregularis which has bigger, stiffer, spreading sepals with teeth.
Thanks a lot, … These were clicked in Gori Valley, Uttarakhand, India (possibly in 1st week of Oct. 2012).
As far as I know, Richards ‘determination’ (not sure if he would count it as such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this represents the first record of Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is the case for Primula boothii at Munsyari.
Thanks a lot, … It is all because you requested that we take his opinion in this matter.
Thank you. It is unusual to find P. gracilipes flowering in the autumn. If the whole population is flowering freely then, may be this is a new autumn-flowering form of P. gracilipes, as is found in P. boothii. Probably it deserves a new name at lower rank.
Though I have not seen the account of Indian Primulas by Basak et al. (too costly for me to afford it personally!) but the checklist of flowering plants of Uttarakhand by Uniyal et al (2007) have no mention of this species (P. gracilipes) which indicates that it is also a new record to flora of Uttarakhand. I hope …, who found and photographed it, will be able to relocate it for collecting specimens and fresh sets of photographs.
This is in reference to your inquiry in a separate thread on a Primula uploaded by me and identified as P. boothii by Prof. Richards.
I also suspect these two species are widespread in Uttarakhand and probably misidentified earlier.
Please help to id..
Most of the high altitude Primula are early bloomers. But this…flowering in October, almost at the end of season, must be interesting. Bifid petals rule out P.petiolaris, P.sessilis.
it may be Primula hirsuta because of bifid petal
This is a remarkable plant due to the bifid petals. It would be interesting to know if the flower colour, bright pink, is true. It has some resemblance to P. drummondiana, also winter-flowering, but that species has lilac flowers. There is a very little known plant P. cunninghamii which might answer this description, but the type material is very poor. It is presently treated as a synonym of P. drummondiana. We need to know the form of the fruit capsule as well. At present, this has the possibility of being a new taxon.
… has confirmed that the date of the image was in October and the location was near Munsiyari. This favors Primula drummondiana which was collected in October in full flower. The type specimens were collected from a pass above Namik, about 12kms to the west of Munsyari. Characters which are diagnostic are the Fall flowering, emarginate corolla lobes, flower tube 2-3 times the length of the calyx, efarinose leaves with a repand-denticulate margin, which we can see from the images. Apparently this species has multicellular glandular hairs on the upper leaf surface, which are impossible to see in the images. The seed capsule of this species is unknown and that has lead to some speculation as to its relationship with other Primula species. You can see a type material online at http://specimens.kew.org/herbarium/K000750236
Thanks … Yes the date and location do suggest P. drummondiana. We have to overcome the apparent flower colour of bright pink. We used to grow P. drummondiana and are very familiar with it. The flowers were always lilac to blue. Maybe the flower colour here is an artefact of the camera?
“It is unusual to find P. gracilipes flowering in the autumn. If the whole population is flowering freely then, maybe this is a new autumn-flowering form of P. gracilipes, as is found in P. boothii. Probably it deserves a new name at lower rank.”
Yes, you are right, it is the same plant with the same bilobed petals. It is not P. drummondiana and I believe it to be a new autumn-flowering taxon.