Ipomoea hederifolia

Ipomoea hederifolia from Pune:
Sharing this Scarlet Morning Glory vine, photographed in wild on 20 /10 /11
at Pune.

This plant has the tendency of spreading, and growing gregariously in the wild, profuse flowering attracts us from far distances.

… it not only attracting me but many sunbirds and mynas n robins too.
Actually Moonflower (Ipomoea violacea ) and Scarlet morning glory (Ipomoea  hederifolia) are entwined on a single tree (Portia Tree) which is  frequented by these birds.

Convolvulaceae Week :: For validation:: Ipomoea hederifolia L. var. ¿ lutea OR luteola ?:
Ipomoea hederifolia L. var. ¿ lutea OR luteola ?
Dear friends, … there are no such names at The Plants List OR NPGS/GRIN, … though Ipomoea hederifolia var. lutea appears in many good sites. … Please validate.

Oct 26, 2008 … at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park), Mumbai
commonly known as: yellow trumpet morning glory
Native to: the Americas; naturalized / cultivated elsewhere
References: Flowers of India • Dave’s Garden
more views: Oct 26, 2008 … at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park), Mumbai

Could not locate this a botanically acceptable name under I. hederifolia.

Could it (now) be Ipomoea lutea?
http://www.theplantlist.org/​tpl/record/tro-8501927
botanicalillustrations

Yes … There is no mention of such species in most of the taxonomic sites.

The posted plant looks similar to what Dave’s Garden has. A go-to site for me for finding garden flora.
Many thanks … for pointing to the possibility of Ipomoea lutea.
But the flower tube in illustration seems relatively larger.
If there is no such name, then the posted plant could be just a variation in colour of flowers, and may well be Ipomoea hederifolia.
Let us wait for comments.

Ipomoea hederifolia corolla may be yellow, orange or crimson … Leaf is a ‘key’ feature.

Many thanks … What are your thoughts about Ipomoea hederifolia var. lutea ?
Is it possible to know from the leaf seen in this view (of the posted plant) ?

You have clearly mentioned in your initial post that the name Ipomoea hederifolia var. lutea does not appear in ars-grin and the plant list databases but appears in some other sites.
I am not a taxonomist … and thus would like to reserve my comments on your specific question [ie. What are your thoughts about Ipomoea hederifolia var. lutea ?]
With regard to your other query [Is it possible to know from the leaf seen in this view (of the posted plant) ?] I feel the plant is Ipomoea hederifolia L.

In Marathi commonly called it as Ganeshvel

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Convolvula​ceae Week :: Ipomoea hederifoli​a from Coimbatore:

The salverform corolla is nicely captured.

It would be useful if you can share more photographs of leaves. Yellow corolla throat and few leaves seen being unlobed suggests this to be I. rubriflora (syn: I. coccinea).

The most important feature to capture for Ipomoea hederifolia to differentiate from Ipomoea coccinea is the calyx of the fruit in various stages…
The leaves on both Ipomoea hederifolia and Ipomoea coccinea can mimic each other (I know because I have grown enough of them myself) but the pedicels of Ipomoea hederifolia always remain erect while the pedicels of Ipomoea coccinea reflex…
So, in my experience trying to differentiate Ipomoea hederifolia from Ipomoea coccinea using any other part except the calyx and pedicel will lead you astray…

Thanks for the observations and your experience with the Convolvulaceae plants not only in this but other species too. Members will certainly remember the points to look for in identifying diff. species.

i don’t see any lobed leaves and yellow throat is very prominent. This is what Hortus Third reprts:
I. hederifolia is often confused with I. coccinea but having always leaves lobed. Here is brief difference;
I. coccinea: leaves cordate-ovate, to 15 cm long, entire or coarsely dentate; corolla scarlet with yellow throat, to 4 cm long; fruiting pedicel deflexed.
I. hederifolia: leaves 3-5 lobed, middle lobe ovate-lanceolate, lateral lobes narrower, corolla scarlet, tubular.

Yes …, great analysis. Thanks for showing us both species.

I have grown many strains of both Ipomoea hederifolia and Ipomoea coccinea from different parts of the world and here is my firm conclusion.
The flower and leaf form may vary considerably in both of the species in question, so do not be fooled into attempting to Identify by either the corolla or the leaves…but , the calyx and more importantly the behavior of the pedicel is THE most important aspect to consider and I see erect pedicels in this set of  photos.
My conclusion is the plants shown here are Ipomoea hederifolia.
Please be aware that the references and keys are most often written by people working in the field where precise measurements and clear closeup photographs of all relevant parts and at all stages of growth is rarely possible., so the keys of yesterday are somewhat obviated by the macro-photography of the computer age…
The people who wrote many of the keys never actually grew the plants (or studied them every single day watching very closely every single development of the parts at all stages of growth) but they were often forced to do what they could in the form of taking quick notes in the field as they moved on to the next series of plants they hoped to get to…quantity of information often took priority over quality and line drawing were what was possible long before before small digital cameras.
I hope that my observations and thoughts may ultimately prove to be of value,

You are surely a great expert of Convolvulaceae, and we would surely like to be guided by you. It is really fortunate that you have found time to interact during Convolulaceae week. It would help us all if you could kindly list the diagnostic differences between I. hederifolia and I. coccinea (and your opinion on whether you agree with The Plant List as synonym of I. rubriflora).

Thank you for appreciating whatever I have to share but I never refer to myself as an expert but as a ‘constantly aspiring aficionado’ and that is not false modesty…knowledge is a reverse pyramid (which raises more questions with each answer “The more you know , the more you realize that you don’t know”)  and in that regard there are no ‘experts’ but only ‘constantly aspiring aficionados’.
I am glad to share (and guide ) relative to what I am aware of but my knowledge is far from complete and never will be…
The main difference between Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea hederifolia is the calyx and the pedicel which I shared in the PlantFiles (when I was still a member of that site)
Here are some links
Ipomoea coccinea – reflexed pedicels
http://davesgarden.com/guides/​pf/showimage/139580/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/​pf/showimage/174039/
http://davesgarden.com/​community/forums/t/688746/
Ipomoea hederifolia – pedicels remain erect
http://davesgarden.com/guides/​pf/showimage/173738/
http://davesgarden.com/​community/forums/t/789528/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/​pf/showimage/167703/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/​pf/showimage/81986/
read the lower portion in English (I use google to translate into Spanish) where I address the awn and arista
infojardin
The Tropicos site lists Ipomoea coccinera L (which should indicate legitimate) as having 3 accepted names…
http://www.tropicos.org/Name/​8500974?tab=acceptednames
Ipomoea coccinea
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-​bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl
Ipomoea coccinea – perform your own search because searches cannot be saved in url
http://ipni.org/ipni/​plantnamesearchpage.do
Ipomoea rubriflora perform your own search because searches cannot be saved in url
http://ipni.org/ipni/​plantnamesearchpage.do
Ipomoea rubriflora – lists Ipomoea coccinea as a synonym
http://www.tropicos.org/Name/​8501935?tab=synonyms
I think it is confusing to have Ipoomoea coccinea listed as a legitimate species by both Ars-Grin and Tropicos and at the same time have Ipomoea coccinea L. listed as a synonym of Ipomoea rubrifloa.
The PlantList may or may not be ‘correct’ on Ipomoea rubriflora since this particular case is confusing in comparison to the other reference sites…so, who can know for sure at this point (?!)
There are often times when someone doing field research will need to insure/ preserve their funding and so minor differences which (from my perspective) may warrant a rank of subspecies , variety or forma , get assigned to the rank of a ‘new species’ (!)…and the ‘discoverer’ who is the only one who knows the exact location, continues to receive additional funding to continue to study the new species, which sometimes never truly sees the full light of day…and I have seen this ‘phenomenon’ occur too frequently…
Ipomoea species rarely cross the species barrier (with rare exception , e.g., within series batatas), although subspecies and lower taxonomic ranks will cross fertilize, so when I am in doubt, I try to obtain germplasm and perform my own crossings to get a 2nd opinion from the plants because the plants surely know the degree of relationship between themselves better than our human visual observations.
I am fully aware that various degrees of compatibility and incompatibility exist within species and sometimes even lower taxonomic ranks, but if the supposedly different species cross fertilize, then they are in all likelihood not different species at all…the plants do not lie…
I will believe that Ipomoea rubriflora exists when I see closeups of the relevant structures that differentiate it from Ipomoea coccinea and until that occurs I will be skeptical of Ipomoea rubriflora.
I hope my contributions will prove to be of value.

Convolvulaceae week: Ipomoea hederifolia from Chakrata Road:

I think this plant was discussed earlier also. I. hederifolia has distinctly lobed leaves and corolla not yellow in throat. This should be I. coccinea. Please see the two revised uploads of ….

P.S. – I cautioned about not using the leaves for Identification because they can vary and mimicry of other species occurs ,but the pedicels are the most accurate.

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mani nair shared an album with you.:
Sending photos of Ipomoea hederifolia from Dombivli, Thane dt.
Commonly called Scarlet Morning Glory

For the last 3-4 days, I was confused between I. cocinea L. and I. ederifolia L.
Lobed leaves and scarlet flowers without yellow throat can be seen in your photos. This helped me to clear my doubts.

Ipomoea hederifoli​a from Dombivli:
Sending the photos again as the earlier one did not attach properly.

Flora of Chakrata: Ipomoea hederifolia near Kalsi on Kalsi Chakrata Road:
Ipomoea hederifolia
Shot from near Kalsi on Chakrata road
Pls validate

Perhaps some one will have to sort this out
The species identified as Ipomoea coccinea may belong to any of these two species
Ipomoea coccinea L. is now correctly known as Ipomoea rubriflora O’Donell
Ipomoea coocinea Seese & Moc is now correctly known as species Ipomoea hederifolia L.
The two are very closely related, perhaps separated by minor characters. I saw a note by Ron_convolvulaceae on these. May be he or any other member can sort this out.

And these are two of mine pictures from the place showing corolla mouth and cordate leaves. Hence, this is closer to I. coccinea

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Photos (6), (7) and (8) attached by … shows yellow throat.
Many thanks … and … for this key.

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The Plant list treats Ipomoea coccinea L. as the synonym of Ipomoea rubriflora O’Donell.
Attaching a PDF where LOBED leaf can be seen in I. rubriflora (on page 36). If I am not wrong, throat looks yellow here.
P.S. Cant attach the whole PDF file…therefore sending a snapshot copy. Full PDF can be downloaded from the following link:
ruffordsmallgrants.pdf
Comments plz.

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Requesting you to reconsider my points…..
According to the key provided above, I. rubrifolia (=I. coccina) is characterized by the presence of yellow neck and ovate-cordate leaves. But in the PDF file attached above, the plant shows yellow neck and lobed leaves. This is creating confusion for me.
Attaching some more pictures for your perusal.

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Please read it as I. rubriflora

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It is really confusing. May be species identified as I. rubriflora in the pdf is not correct. The two species I. coccinea (now rubriflora) and I. hederifolia really close only leaves (plus few minor characters) seem to be differentiating them.

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And interestingly….Flora of Korea reports I. hederifolia as the cultivated species in Korea. There is no mention of I. coccina or I. rubriflora. Another Korean weed-flora mentions I. cholulensis with the photo of similar looking plant.
The above fotos were taken at Daejeon, S. Korea.

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Yes … Your plant seems true I. coccinea (=I. rubriflora), but then there is lot of confusion in literature especially on the net.

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Photographs of I. hederifolia L. shared by … in the following thread clearly shows lobed leaves and scarlet flowers without yellow throat. This helped me to clear my doubt.
efi thread
I am really thankful to you for providing a nice key that helped me to understand these plants. Now I can confirm my plant as I. rubriflora O’Donell (=I. coccinea L.).
I would also like to refer a paper that proves these taxa distinct based on molecular data.
Here is the link :
http://www.amjbot.org/content/91/8/1208.short
Unfortunately, ambiguity can still be seen in ‘Tropicos’ that treats I. hederifolia L. as the accepted name for I. coccinea L.

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I think Tropicos simply lists treatment by different publications.

http://www.tropicos.org/Name/8500974?tab=acceptednames

Perhaps this paper from Taxon may help
Austin, D. F. & Z. Huamán. 1996. A synopsis of Ipomoea (Convolvulaceae) in the Americas. Taxon 45(1): 3–38.

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Please find the requested paper attached herewith.

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Though I could not find a detailed description here but confirmed I. coccinea and I. hederifolia to be different.

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Ipomoea horsfalliae:
Ipomoea horsfalliae of Convolvulaceae family. Clicked on 1st Dec`2009 at Bhoj dam, Badlapaur; 70 Kms of Mumbai.

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There is correction suggested by … (on FB group) that this is Ipomoea hederifolia, kindly validate

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Yes … agree with I hederifolia as I horsfalliae have leaves palmately divided into five to seven segments.

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efloraindia: 061211 BRS241:

Pl. find the attached file contain photos for id. request.

Location: Kalapatti, Coimbatore Dist.

Date: 03.12.2011

Habitat: Urban Road side.
Habit: Climber

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I hope Ipomoea coccinea

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May be I hederifolia also
pls see from eflora of Pakistan
Ipomoea hederifolia Linn., Syst. Nat. ed. 10.925. 1759. Verdcourt in Hubbard & Milne-Redhead, Fl. Trop. E. Afr. 132.1963, Austin in Ann. Missouri Bot. Gard. 62:211.1975.
DANIEL F. AUSTIN
Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, Florida, USA
Ipomoea angulata Lam.
Ipomoea coccinea auct. non Linn.: Clarke
Ipomoea phoenicea Roxb.
Quamoclit angulata (Lam.) Bojer
Quamoclit phoenicea (Roxb.) Choisy
Annual climbers, glabrous to sparsely pubescent. Leaves ovate to suborbicular, 2-15 cm long, entire, dentate, trilobate or with 5-7 lobes, basally cordate, acute to acuminate apically, mostly glabrous. Flowers in few-to several-flowered cymes or solitary. Sepals oblong to elliptic, 1.5-3 mm long, apically obtuse to tru ncate, the outer with a 1.6-6 mm long subterminal fleshy arista, glabrous. Corolla red to red-yellow, 2.5-4.5 cm long, salverform. Fruit capsular, subglobose, 6-8 mm long. Seeds dark brown or black, pyriform.
Fl. Per.: November to September, perhaps all the year in some areas.
Type: West Indies. Based on Plumier, Pl. Amer. 81, t. 93.f.2.1756 (lecto.by O’Donell in Lilloa 29: 48.1959).
Distribution: An American species, now cultivated or naturalized in many countries of the Old World tropics.
This is the tropical counterpart of the temperate Ipomoea coccinea Linn. I have assumed that this is the species in Pakistan because the true Ipomoea coccinea Linn. is rarely found in Asia and Ipomoea hederifolia Linn. is reasonably frequent.

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Yes … I did not see full view of leaves earlier. In thumnail they looked entire, Many of them are 3-lobed of I. hederifolia, and yellowish throat is not prominent.

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Ipomoea hederifolia L. from Kamrup district (Metro), Assam:
Attaching images of what looks like�Ipomoea hederifolia L.
Date :21.11.12
Location: Maligaon,Guwahati-11 [Dist- Kamrup(Metro)]
Family : Convolvulaceae
Genus & species :Ipomoea hederifolia L.
Habitat: Grows wild on road side
Habit :Climber
Flower : Red in colour
Fruits :not seen

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Requesting ID confirmation of this Convolvulaceae member with red flowers – Devgad, Maharashtra :: 03092013 :: ARK-02 :: November 2012 : Attachments (3). 3 posts by 2 authors.
Requesting to please confirm the ID of the red flowers captured near Devgad, Maharashtra in November 2012.
Is this Ipomoea hederifolia? 

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This is Ipomoea hederifolia.

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efloraofindia:” Ipomoea hederifolia at Talegaon Dabhade :Dec 2015: MR-03 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1)

Dec 2015
Talegaon Dabhade Pune
sharing image of Ipomoea hederifolia

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Ipomoea species in Kalimpong : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Ipomoea coccinea or Ipomoea hederifolia ?

Location Kalimpong West Bengal
Sir, Please confirm the identity

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Ipomoea hederifolia

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Convolvulaceae Week: Ipomoea rubriflora from Dakpathar:
Ipomoea rubriflora O’Donell, Lilloa 29: 79 79 1959.

Syn: Ipomoea cocinea L.

This is what Hortus Third writes:

I. hederifolia is often confused with I. coccinea but having always leaves lobed. Here is brief difference;

I. coccinea: leaves cordate-ovate, to 15 cm long, entire or coarsely dentate; corolla scarlet with yellow throat, to 4 cm long; fruiting pedicel deflexed.

I. hederifolia: leaves 3-5 lobed, middle lobe ovate-lanceolate, lateral lobes narrower, corolla scarlet, tubular.

Uploading photographs from near Dakpathar.

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I have found those who quote Hortus to be mistaken on many Ipomoea species which require a wider knowledge (first hand is best) of the variations that do occur within the referenced species.
I believe Hortus to be somewhat ‘antiquated’ and obviated by more modern references which are more frequently updated and frankly I rarely reference it on Ipomoea as many updates have taken place since Hortus Third.
This instance Ipomoea coccinea is reduced to synonym status and equated with Ipomoea rubriflora and as I had referenced in another thread on the subject of these epithets , even the current online references seem to be ‘fuzzy’ regarding the status of Ipomoea rubriflora and the relation to Ipomoea coccinea.
There is only 1 ( not ‘several’ ) Internationally accepted legitimate name usually presented at International Botanical Congress…
I suggest that at this point in time and space that Hortus Third be used with requisite grains of salt…

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Near Talberia Dam, Bankura, West Bengal in November, 2005; near Pabe village in Pune district- 11/9/08; Mumbai- 25/10/09; Mumbai on 8 Nov. ’09; in and around Mumbai and Thane; At Alibag- Oct’10?;

another one for identification – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Ipomoea hederifolia – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Convolvulaceae » Ipomoea hederifolia – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Request for ID- Climber at Siddhoba ???????? – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Ipomoea hederifola.(Lal – Pungali) flower – indiantreepix | Google Groups
IPOMOEA HEDERIFOLIA – indiantreepix | Google Groups
ID request – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Thet are not same – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Ipomea hederifolia. – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Is it an Ipomoea? – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Ipomea hederifolia-Red Star Glory – indiantreepix | Google Groups

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Ipomoea hederifolia var. ‘lutea’;
Yellow Ivy Leaf Morning Glory, Yellow Trumpet Morning Glory;

near Yelahanka in Bangalore– Oct.’09?; at Yeoor Hills near human settlement- Sept’10?;

Convolvulaceae » Ipomoea hederifolia var. lutea – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Yellow Glory – indiantreepix | Google Groups
another Merremia – indiantreepix | Google Groups

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090619AB3 ID – Ipomoea hederifolia? : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Identification, please. Ipomoea hederifolia?
Date/Time- November 4, 2017; 09:00 hrs
Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Eastern Melghat; 21°17.483′ N, 77°22.530′ E
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb-  Herb
Height/Length- 2-3’ Height
Flower- Red

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Yes! Advised to post other aspects of sp. like leaf, buds, habitat etc and elevation in mtr. or ft. for correct ID.

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Yes, will give details whenever possible. Thanks for confirming the ID.

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Ipomoea rubriflora O’Donell SN Sep 48 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (2).
Ipomoea rubriflora O’Donell  (= Ipomoea coccinea L.), convolvulaceae wild climber from Kelamanagalam area of Krishnagiri Dt. Tamilnadu at altitude of 800m

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Ipomoea hederifolia L. : 8 posts by 3 authors. 4 images- 5 to 7 mb each.

Location: Kalimpong, WB, India

Date:  27  November 2019 

Elevation: 1350m.

Habitat: Cultivated

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Yes sir !!!

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Ipomoea hederifolia L. :: Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Oct 19, 2009 · 9:10 AM IST: 3 images.
Ipomoea hederifolia L.
Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Oct 19, 2009 · 9:10 AM IST :: about 3 m (10 ft) asl

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Ipomoea hederifolia L. :: Waghbil, Thane :: Oct 27, 2007 · JUN23 DV323: 1 image.
Ipomoea hederifolia L.
Waghbil, Thane :: Oct 27, 2007 · 1:27 PM IST :: about 3 m (10 ft) asl

Reminds me of Morning glory family.

https://efloraofindia.com/2011/01/22/ipomoea/

I think some chance for
https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/07/ipomoea-hederifolia/

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