Melia azedarach

nice. i particularly like the colloquial names like persian lilac, or indian lilac.. and to have it here handy… today i found that wiki page talks of insecticidal use of its oil. thats obvious compared to neem oil. but i found it curious to read that the berries can be co-dried it seems with apple slices and the apple slices wont get infected…  a fact  to remember and not dismiss this tree as a weed ...reference is from  in the same wiki page as above 

Your reference to its insecticidal properties is relevant. Leaves are not as bitter as neem leaves but fruits are very poisonous to humans…! The ingestion may cause vomiting, bloody faeces and even cardiac arrest…! Diluted infusion of leaves is used to induce uterine relaxation…but no self medication please…!!! But certain birds are immune.

Just to add regarding its toxicity. Fruits and bark contain a high level of saponins and triterpenes that are very toxic to humans. M.azedarach poisoning, if untreated, may result in gastrointestinal, cardiac, respiratory, and neurological dysfunction and even death…!  Symptoms of poisoning are vomiting, stomachpain, pulmonary congestion followed by cardiac arrest. Six to 10 fruits or about 400 Gms of the bark is said to be lethal to humans.

Melia azedarach L., Fam: Meliaceae

Attaching an image of a Rose-ringed Parakeet on the fruits of Melia azedarach (PERSIAN LILAC/ BEAD TREE/ BAKAIN/ GHORA NEEM).

Attaching an image of a Red-whiskered Bulbul on the fruits of Melia azedarach (INDIAN BEAD TREE/ BAKAIN/ GHORA NEEM).

Attaching an image of a Red-vented Bulbul on the fruits of Melia azedarach. (INDIAN BEAD-TREE/ BAKAIN/ GHORANEEM).

Is this Lannea coromandelica?

Thanks … yes, the fruits do resemble that of M. azedarach.

Id Please
A medium sized tree
At Manali, Himachal pradesh
18 May, 2015 

Sometimes the side branches are again divided and leaflets are borne on secondary branches of rachis.——-such a leaf if tripinnate.

What do call this variety?
It is popularly known as Bakan. Bigger tree than Bakan Neem, darker leaves. I have never seen any flowering

Please see the table showing the differences in these two species.
Traditional medicinal knowledge about common herbs used to prepare herbal tooth brushes Dataun (Daton) in Chhattisgarh, India
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Thank you … for this very informative link. The Flora of Mah. also mentions sometimes Melia Azedarach Linn. can have tri-pinnate leaves. In your comparison perhaps you should add that the leaves of Melia are also imparipinnate but the apex leaf of Melia is the largest unlike of Neem.

A very unimportant doubt, in the middle of a learned discussion, but hasn’t the first picture been shown upside down?

You have really keen observation. You are right, it is inverted.

Thanks for pointing this out … Attaching the correct one.

Sir in Flora of Mah.by Dr. Almeida Vol I pg 227: Melia composita Willd. Sp.is described.
As mentioned in the volume the same was known as M. dubia Hiern in Hook.f., Fl. Brit. Ind. 1:545,1875(non Cav.,1789); Talbot, Tress Bombay39, 1902; Woodrow in Journ. Bombay nat. Hist.Soc. 11: 269, 1897.
The common names mentioned are Kadu-Khajur, Kala khajur, Maha-neem.
The description of Melia composita I quote “A tall handsome tree. Young branches densely clothed with stellate pubescens, ultimately smooth. Leaves bi- sometimes tri-pinnate, 20-70 cm long; ultimate leaflets 5-11, oposite, 2-8 by 0.6- 4 cm ( the terminal the largest ), from ovate-lanceolate to ovate -rotund, acute or acuminate, entire or crenulate, thinly stellatelt pubescent on both surfaces when young, at length glabrous, base acute or rounded, more or less oblique; main nerves 7- 8 pairs, petioles 3-6 mm long. Flowers greenish white….. Drupes ovoid or ellipsoid, 2.5 – 4 cm long, smooth, yellowish. seed 1 in each cell, smooth, pointed.”
Further in distribution : “Koina nagar (M.R.Almeida-1344, BLAT), Ratnagiri, Konkan (Graham), Malsiras in Purandhar Taluka (kanitkar), Parghat(Dalzell & Gibson), Raigad (V.D.Vartak), Saptashringi, Ranling.” 
I hope the above helps in getting the third tree pics.

If you have the flora, kindly copy the key here, so that other differentiating features (in addition to flower colour) are known

Yes Sir quoting flora details from Vol I : “Flowers greenish white, 8 mm long, fragrant, in stellately pubescent, many- flowered branched panicles shorter than the leaves; peduncles long; pedicels short. Calyx stellately tomentose outside, deeply divided; lobes ovate, erect,ciliate. Petals 6 mm long, linear- spathulate, concave, pubescent outside, puberulous within, ciliate. Staminal tube scarcely 6 mm long, slightly expanded at the mouth, 10- toothed ( the teeth bifid), silky puberulous on both surfaces; anthers exserted, pubescent, longer than the teeth. Ovary glabrous 5-celled; style little longer than the staminal tube, overtopped by the apiculate anthers; stigma cylindric, 5- toothed; teeth erect.”

In Flora of India Vol-4 edited by P.K.Hajra, V.J.Nair & P. Daniel (1997)account of Meliaceae is written by S.S. Jain & S.S.R. Bennet. This document (Jain & Bennet, 1997) published by BSI differentiate Melia and Azadirachta as (partially modified here)-
Trees with covering of simple hairs; leaves unipinnate; stigma 3-lobed; drupes 1-seeded; endocarp thin ……. Azadirachta (1 species only)
Trees with dense covering of stellate hairs; leaves 2-3-pinnate; stigma 4-8-lobed; drupes 3-8-seeded; endocarp stony .. Melia ( 2 species)
Species of Melia are differentiated as-
Branchlets slender; flowers lilac, honey- scented; drupes to 2 cm long ……… M.azedarach
Branchlets stout; flowers white, non scented; drupes 2.5-4 cm long ……… M. dubia 

Altitude : 6000 ft.

Fruiting tree| Melia azedarach – Bead tree – efloraofindia | Google Groups

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There are several trees of this Persian Lilac in the lower town of Dharamshala. I have seen this tree aplenty in Delhi with its characteristic fruit hanging in bunches in winters. It was lovely to see it in flower. I photographed a low tree to access the leaves and flowers but there are several large trees as well.

Dharamshala, HP

1500m approx.

13 April 2015

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Thanks … I too thought the same but here in Mumabai, I had never seen leafless trees of Melia azedarach.So was bit unsure.

I think so, yes.

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Location : Vaphai, Mizoram
Altitude : ca 1,500 m.

Melia azedarach ??

For me also it looks like Melia azedarach