{"id":1291123,"date":"2011-03-06T16:06:33","date_gmt":"2011-03-06T16:06:33","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T18:51:50","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T13:21:50","slug":"impatiens-sulcata-1","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/impatiens-sulcata-1\/","title":{"rendered":"Impatiens sulcata ?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n
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\nImpatiens amplexicaulis Edgew. Please verify??<\/span><\/a> : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
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Date: 24 JULY, 2014<\/span><\/div>\n
Location: On the way to Kalinchok, Dolakha District, East Nepal
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I don’t think it is I amplexicaulis<\/i> – even uppermost leaves are clearly petiolate (see picture of I. badrinathi<\/i> in Pusalkar & Singh 2010 for explanation of amplexicaul leaves). There are other species with at least upper leaves amplexicaul, described in Flora of China.<\/div>\n
This is also not I. badrinathi<\/i>, as its spur is short and bend.<\/div>\n
Looks similar, but not the same like I. glandulifera<\/i> and I sulcata<\/i>.I see rusty coloration on ventral side of lower sepal, lacking as far as I know from both of these species.
\n<\/span>How big were flowers? What about capsule shape? Do you have photo of front side of the flower? Some more information about plant habit?<\/div>\n
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Id validation is pending . Plant is rather tall and flowers are also big. I guess\u00a0 Impatiens glandulifera<\/i> Royle<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Re: Saroj’s guess of Impatiens glandulifera<\/u> kindly check AND READ THROUGH ALL THE CONTENT OF: https:\/\/sites.google.com\/a\/<\/span>shpa.org.uk\/fowh\/impatiens-1<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
ALSO: https:\/\/sites.google.com\/a\/<\/span>shpa.org.uk\/fowh\/how-not-to-<\/span>attempt-to-identify-plants<\/span><\/a>\u00a0 INDEED ALL OF MY ‘FLOWERS OF THE NORTH-WEST HIMALAYA – A VIRTUAL GUIDE: https:\/\/sites.google.com\/a\/<\/span>shpa.org.uk\/fowh\/<\/span><\/a>.<\/div>\n
I wonder how many Impatiens in the Himalaya have stipular glands?<\/b>\u00a0 Any characteristic of foliage which is either diagnostic of a particular species or can help to distinguish between a number of species, when a specimen is not in flower is especially useful is such a challenging genus identification-wise.\u00a0 It would be helpful if members of\u00a0eFI (after carefully digesting ALL the content of my ‘virtual’ guide mentioned above)\u00a0who can access colonies of I.glandulifera<\/u> in the Himalaya, could check if reddish roots at lower notes do exhibit an antiseptic odour as in the UK.<\/div>\n
HAPPY READING… I CONSIDER MY ‘VIRTUAL’ GUIDE (WHICH IS IN ITS EARLY STAGES) SHOULD BE ESSENTIAL<\/u> BACKGROUND READING FOR ALL EFLORAOFINDIA MEMBERS, NOT JUST CONTRIBUTORS OF IMAGES.<\/div>\n
As for I.glandulifera<\/u>, as far as I know, this species is not recorded for Nepal.\u00a0 Hooker’s record published in 1842 was probably an error.\u00a0 Hooker’s ‘Flora of British India’ was a decent effort for\u00a0its time but woefully out-of-date (from the 19th Century) nowadays.\u00a0 It is littered with errors (not to mention many species not recognised at that time)\u00a0– hardly surprising how little explored and studied India’s flora was at that time.\u00a0 To rely on it\u00a0too heavily is unwise.\u00a0 I have seen recent pages posted of Crassulaceae from Chowdhery & Wadwha’s ‘Flora of Himachal Pradesh Analysis’ …(1984) which uses the 19th Century nomenclature and taxonomic treatment of Hooker; it\u00a0is in fact little more than a ABBREVIATED COPY OF CONTENT OF HOOKER’S WORK.\u00a0 I have no idea what ‘Analysis’ means in this respect.\u00a0 I do not possess a copy of their ‘flora’.\u00a0 Perhaps a member can explain?\u00a0 From the Crassulaceae pages, it seems one would be better of just referring to Hooker (his Flora is available on-line)\u00a0 BUT recognising just how out-of-date it is……\u00a0 I hope<\/u> that Chowdhery & Wadwha gave due acknowledgement of the source of their incredibly brief descriptions – they certainly do not come from observations in Himachal Pradesh themselves nor fresh pressed specimens in Indian herbaria collected by Indian botanists since Independence – as one might reasonably image in a genuine ‘Flora’.<\/b><\/div>\n
When making a suggestion for an identification, it really is important for eFI members to check whether the suggested species ‘fits’ in terms of prior records for a country\/region and altitudinal range.\u00a0 I am dismayed that few owners of ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ EVER check this information.\u00a0 Yes, significant extensions of geographic and altitudinal ranges do occur but not very often.\u00a0 If e.g. what a reader of this ‘guide’ (it is NOT a ‘Flora’) thinks they have ‘matched’ to a particular species does not ‘tally’, in terms of where it grew then probably, they need to look more closely, as in all probability, what they think will be a misidentification.
\nData-bases littered with misidentifications, whether they are printed check-lists or floras or on-line ones, create MAJOR problems.\u00a0 The objective should always be to ENRICH not ENLARGE a data-base, whether on-line or a traditional herbarium.\u00a0 What matters is not how large the number of specimens there are in a herbarium or entries in an on-line data-base but its QUALITY i.e. how many are RELIABLY IDENTIFIED.\u00a0 Nowadays too many people uncritically accept what they read or see.\u00a0 When one searches\/’google’s the name of a plant species DO NOT TOO READILY BELIEVE THE ACCOMPANYING IMAGES ARE OF THE GENUINE<\/u> ARTICLE – I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION ARE NOT.<\/div>\n
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Thank you for the elaborated insight information.
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Impatiens sulcata<\/i> Wall.\u00a0 ??
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Pl. check Impatiens glandulifera<\/i><\/span><\/a>\u00a0in comparison to Impatiens sulcata<\/i><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
To me it appears more closer to Impatiens glandulifera<\/i><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Thank you … I guess you are correct !\u00a0Impatiens glandulifera<\/i> Royle<\/p>\n

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… has suggested this as Impatiens sulcata\u00a0<\/i>Wall..<\/p>\n

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I have not told it I. sulcata<\/em> rather as capsules could not be seen in your photos so it is going more towards I. sulcata<\/em> but not confirmed, needs further confirmation. Be careful putting identity just from photos….be professional.<\/p>\n

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I think writing the words under inverted commas may better put things in the\u00a0perspective\u00a0in future like saying:
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“…. as capsules could not be seen in your photos so it is going more towards I. sulcata<\/em> but not confirmed, needs further confirmation.”<\/p>\n
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I think we should keep it as unidentified\u00a0one.<\/p><\/div>\n

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Impateins sp. for ID:<\/a>
\nPl.identify Impateins<\/i> sp.
\nFrom Furkiya, Uttarakhand<\/span>
\nAltitude 11000 ft.<\/span>
\n10\/10\/2012<\/span><\/p>\n

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Impatiens sulcata<\/i> ?<\/p>\n

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Impateins sp.:<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0Id Please
\nImpateins<\/i> sp.
\nAt Furkiya (en-route Pindari Glacier)
\nAltitude 11000 ft.<\/span>
\n10\/10\/2012<\/span><\/p>\n

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Impatiens sulcata<\/i> is also my GUESS.
\nPlease remember that this is late season plant, badly damaged and some features could be distorted<\/span><\/p>\n

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