{"id":1303905,"date":"2012-11-08T08:57:05","date_gmt":"2012-11-08T08:57:05","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T12:27:31","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T06:57:31","slug":"embelia-drupacea","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/embelia-drupacea\/","title":{"rendered":"Embelia drupacea"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Embelia<\/i> drupacea<\/i> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 90: 426 1993 publ. 1994<\/i>. (Syn: .; Embelia<\/i> tetrandra<\/i> J.Graham<\/span><\/a>; Embelia<\/i> viridiflora<\/i> C.B.Clarke<\/span><\/a> [Illegitimate]; Myrsine<\/i> aurantiaca<\/i> Wall.<\/span><\/a>; Pothos<\/i> drupaceus<\/i> Dennst.<\/span><\/a>);<\/div>\n
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\nEmbelia<\/i> drupacea<\/i> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida, <\/span>J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 90: 426 1993 publ. 1994<\/i>. (syn: <\/span>Choripetalum aurantiacum<\/i> (Wall.) A. DC.; <\/span>Choripetalum viridiflorum<\/i> A. DC.; <\/span>Embelia aurantiaca<\/i> (Wall.) B. M. Wadhwa; <\/span>Myrsine aurantiaca<\/i> Wall.; <\/span>Pothos drupaceus<\/i> Dennst.; <\/span>Samara aurantiaca<\/i> (Wall.) Arn.; <\/span>Samara rheedii<\/i> Wight; <\/span>Samara viridiflora<\/i> Thw. (ambiguous synonym)) as per <\/span>Catalogue of Life<\/span><\/a>;
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Fruits & Vegetables Week: RVS-15<\/span><\/a>: Embelia basaal<\/i> (now E. aurantiaca<\/b><\/i>). This wild edible fruit tastes very sour.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\n“The nomenclature of this group may be confusing. I believe that some of the posts labeled as Embelia basaal <\/i>in this page<\/span><\/u><\/a> are probably of E. tsjeriam-cottam<\/i>, if I am right. Any botanical name here without the author citation might cause confusion.
\nFew authors consider Embelia basaal<\/i> auct. non Roem. & Schult. and E. tsjeriam-cottam<\/i> (Roem. & Schult.) DC. as one and the same. However, Wadhwa & Sumithraarachchi (in Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon-vol 13) have tried to clear the confusion by making a new combination for the first species as Embelia aurantiaca<\/b><\/i> (Wall.) Wadhwa. They have also provided a detailed note on the nomenclature issue of this complex. But, for some (unpublished?) reason, this name is now listed as synonym of Embelia<\/b><\/i> drupacea<\/i><\/b> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida and this name has still not been recognized by GRIN. <\/span>
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Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC ; SAN June 07<\/span><\/a> : 9 posts by 4 authors. 1 correct image as above.<\/div>\n
Embelia basaal<\/i> (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC, Fam: Myrsinaceae<\/i>;<\/div>\n
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Wild Climbing shrub<\/span> from Coonor area of Nilgiri, Tamilnadu<\/span><\/p>\n

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This does not look like Wavding [<\/span>Embelia basaal<\/i>] to me. Please check. Some of my photographs of this are available at these links :<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Will send photographs of the fruit for comparison later if required.<\/p>\n

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My photographs of Wavding fruiting. They were taken on my property at Shahapur. Attachments (8)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Found a few more photographs. Attachments (2)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I saw the images of …, They all <\/span>Embelia tsjeriam cottam<\/i> only. In <\/span>Embelia basal<\/i> leaves are coriaceous, veins indistinct whereas <\/span>in E. tsjeriam-cottam<\/b> leaf blade is membranous, veins distinct.<\/span> Flowers tetramerous in <\/span>E. basal<\/i>, <\/span>it is pentamerous in E. tsjeriam- cottam<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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In a way, both \u2026 are right! They talk about right plants but the nomenclature is confusing.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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… plant is Embelia aurantiaca<\/b><\/i>, formerly E. basaal<\/i> (leaves subfleshy, sour, nerves indistinct)<\/span> as per Flora of Ceylon [it is E. drupacea<\/i> as per The Plant List].
\n… plant is E. tsjeriam-cottam<\/b><\/i> (leaves not fleshy, not sour, nerves prominent often purplish beneath).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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“The nomenclature of this group is<\/i> confusing….. Few authors consider Embelia basaal<\/i> auct. non Roem. & Schult. and E. tsjeriam-cottam<\/i> (Roem. & Schult.) DC. as one and the same. However, Wadhwa & Sumithraarachchi (in Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon-vol 13) have tried to clear the confusion by making a new combination for the first species as Embelia aurantiaca<\/b><\/i> (Wall.) Wadhwa. They have also provided a detailed note on the nomenclature issue of this complex. But, for some (unpublished?) reason, this name is now listed as synonym of Embelia<\/b><\/i> drupacea<\/i><\/b> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida and this name has still not been recognized by GRIN<\/span>.”
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The treatments of Embelia in GRIN are seemingly based on old literature hence may not be up-to-date.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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My photographs of Embelia drupacea<\/i> are available at these links :<\/p>\n

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Thank you …, you have clarified the doubts well.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (inc. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight: Embelia basal SN June 6<\/span><\/a> : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1).<\/div>\n
Embelia basaal<\/span><\/i> (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC<\/span>, wild climber<\/span> from Agumbe area of Karnataka<\/span>, <\/span><\/small><\/span><\/div>\n
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Please identify this climber – NS 300811:<\/a>\u00a0 Please identify this climber<\/span>. Have grown it from seeds collected near the lake at Mahabaleshwar<\/span>. Unfortunately don’t have too much information to volunteer except to state that the climber grew in a thicket overhanging the road.<\/div>\n
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It had red to purplish berries about 1\/2 a cm in size which was relished by a pair of Malabar Giant Squirrels<\/span><\/b> so much so that they continued feasting on the berries undeterred by our presence right beneath them.<\/span><\/p>\n

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This should be Embelia drupacea<\/i> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida of Primulaceae<\/i>. Pls confirm if the petioles are chanelled or post a recent picture of the climber. The local name is Ambat<\/b> and is a favourite of Ratufa.<\/div>\n
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Thanks … for the lead. The climber hasn’t grown much but am sending a more recent photograph taken in November 2011. A photograph of this plant in S.R.Yadav & M.M.Sardesai’s ‘Flora of Kholapur District’ makes for a favourable comparison.<\/p>\n

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Climber in Primulaceae<\/i> sounds interesting to me sir.
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…, yes, the chanelled petiole and nerves merging along margin confirm the ID.<\/span> Your Ratfa pictures did not show fruits but you say they tally with the picture in Flora of Kolhapur. The climber would be flowering now at M’shwar. … Embelia<\/i> is in Primulaceae<\/i> as per ‘The Plant List’, I know it belonged to Myrsinaceae<\/i><\/p>\n

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Identification of climber<\/span><\/a>\u00a0: 5 posts by 3 authors.\u00a0Attachments\u00a0(3)- 1 mb each.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

Request identification of this\u00a0climber<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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where in the world is it?\u00a0region ? how many feet above the sea level. rest of habitat and its own habit<\/p>\n

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It is a\u00a0straggler<\/span>\u00a0found\u00a0in Bangalore<\/span>\u00a0forest<\/span>\u00a0locality around 920 m altitudes<\/span>. Is it\u00a0Embelia basaal<\/i>!! Waiting for flowers for id & confirmation.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Beautiful\u00a0photographs & a nice upload.\u00a0 For me the ID is correct.<\/p>\n

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Your images look totally different from\u00a0Embelia tsjeriam-cottam<\/em>\u00a0(Roem. & Schult.) A.DC.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0(syn:\u00a0Embelia basaal<\/em>\u00a0A. DC.) as per images and details herein.<\/div>\n
It may be either\u00a0Embelia drupacea<\/em>\u00a0(Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida<\/span><\/a>\u00a0(Sri Lanka, S-India<\/span>\u00a0as per\u00a0Catalogue of Life<\/span><\/a>) or\u00a0Embelia ribes<\/em>\u00a0Burm.f.<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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Thank you for the response.\u00a0Embelia basaal<\/i>\u00a0 (Roem. & Schult.) A.DC. according to the\u00a0plant list<\/span><\/a>\u00a0is unresolved. As per the\u00a0digital flora of karnataka<\/span><\/a>\u00a0it looks to be\u00a0Embelia basaal<\/i>.\u00a0The flowers (petals inside) are\u00a0orangish<\/span><\/a>\u00a0and not white (Embelia tsjeriam-cottam)<\/i>\u00a0as per the keys.<\/div>\n
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Thanks, \u2026 Nomenclature of\u00a0Embelia basaal<\/em>\u00a0has been quite confusing in the literatures. This has been discussed in details at\u00a0Embelia tsjeriam-cottam<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
Pl. check\u00a0discussions highlighted in sky colour at\u00a0Embelia tsjeriam-cottam<\/span><\/a>
\n<\/span>You will see that\u00a0<\/span>digital flora of Karnataka<\/span><\/a>\u00a0has mixed images from two\u00a0species (<\/span>Embelia tsjeriam-cottam<\/em><\/span><\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span>Embelia drupacea<\/em><\/span><\/a>) at this site.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Thank you sir,\u00a0 identified as\u00a0Embelia viridiflora<\/a>\u00a0<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

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\nEmbelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida submission AS19 December21<\/a>: 9 images.
\nAdding some flowering images of\u00a0Embelia drupacea<\/i>\u00a0to site which otherwise is presented only by vegetative and fruiting images.
\nEmbelia drupacea<\/em> (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almida
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Catalogue of Life<\/span><\/a>\u00a0 <\/span>efi thread<\/span><\/a><\/span>\u00a0 Tropicos<\/span><\/a>\u00a0<\/span>\u00a0The Plant List Ver.1.1<\/span><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span>India Biodiversity Portal<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0GBIF<\/a> (high resolution specimens)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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