{"id":1320072,"date":"2015-08-10T12:25:30","date_gmt":"2015-08-10T12:25:30","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T18:26:45","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T12:56:45","slug":"abelmoschus-manihot-subsp-tetraphyllus-var-pungens","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/abelmoschus-manihot-subsp-tetraphyllus-var-pungens\/","title":{"rendered":"Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Abelmoschus<\/i> manihot<\/i> (L.) Medik. subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var. pungens<\/i> (Roxb.) Hochr., Candollea 2:87. 1925 (syn: (\u2261) Abelmoschus pungens<\/span><\/i><\/a> (Roxb.) Voigt; (\u2261) Hibiscus pungens<\/span><\/i><\/a> Roxb. (basionym));<\/div>\n
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Stem non – prickly = A. manihot<\/i> subsp. manihot<\/i> (Himalayan subsp.)<\/span><\/div>\n
Stem prickly = A. manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphylla<\/i> —-><\/span><\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 subsp. tetraphylla<\/i> var. tetraphylla<\/i> …….epicalyx lobes covered with small soft hairs.<\/span><\/div>\n
\u00a0 \u00a0 subsp. tetraphylla<\/i> var. pungens<\/i> …….epicalyx lobes covered in long prickly hairs.<\/span><\/div>\n
(Abelmoschus<\/i><\/span> is separated from Hibiscus<\/i><\/span> on basis of calyx…splits on one side in flowering, falls off with corolla on <\/span>withering)<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Malvaceae Fortnight:: Abelmoschus moschatus? from Gori Valley: NS July 13\/13<\/a> : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)
\n<\/span>Please suggest id for this <\/span>tall shrub<\/span> shot from Gori Valley area<\/span>, I think this can be “Kastoori Bhindi”, <\/span>Abelmoschus moschatus<\/i>…<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Abelmoschus manihot<\/i>\u00a0subsp. <\/span>tetraphyllus<\/i>\u00a0var. <\/span>pungens<\/i>\u00a0Roxb., I think.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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May I request …, \u00a0who has revised this family for Flora of India to pl. help in this matter.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Abelmoschus moschatus from Chakrata for validation<\/a>\u00a0<\/span>: 8 images.
\nThis tall herb<\/span> was photographed<\/span> <\/span>from Chakrata-Deoban Road<\/span> in September 2011.<\/span> I <\/span>suppose this can be “Kasturi Bhindi<\/b>” Abelmoschus moschatus<\/i> Medik. I request for validation\/correction of the same.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Yes Mushkdana<\/b> or Kasturi Bhindi<\/b> as popularly known in trade<\/p>\n

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Feedback from another thread from …:<\/div>\n
“This is also\u00a0Abelmoschus manihot<\/i>\u00a0subsp.\u00a0<\/span>tetraphyllus<\/i>\u00a0var.\u00a0<\/span>pungens<\/i> Roxb., I think.”<\/span><\/div>\n
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“If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread\u00a0https:\/\/groups.google.<\/span>com\/d\/msg\/indiantreepix\/x1gg-<\/span>RzeT2Y\/z7-on6nc2hkJ<\/span><\/a>.
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The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the “linear to narrowly oblong” epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?<\/div>\n
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus<\/i>\u00a0uploaded by … and … But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.<\/div>\n
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread.”<\/div>\n
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Malvaceae Fortnight: Abelmoschus moschatus from near Dakpathar-GSJULY02\/02<\/a> : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments <\/span>(3)
\n<\/span>Abelmoschus moschatus<\/i> growing along roadsides and mountain foothills<\/span> near Dakpathar on way to Chakrata.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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“This is also\u00a0Abelmoschus manihot<\/i>\u00a0subsp.\u00a0<\/span>tetraphyllus<\/i>\u00a0var.\u00a0<\/span>pungens<\/i> Roxb., I think.”<\/span><\/div>\n
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“If I do not make mistake the set in this thread is same as in another earlier thread\u00a0https:\/\/groups.google.<\/span>com\/d\/msg\/indiantreepix\/x1gg-<\/span>RzeT2Y\/z7-on6nc2hkJ<\/span><\/a>.
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The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the “linear to narrowly oblong” epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?<\/div>\n
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus<\/i>\u00a0uploaded by … and … But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.<\/div>\n
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread.”<\/div>\n
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Abelmoschus crinitus Wall. ??<\/span><\/a> : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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These images by … look similar to the images I forwarded and available currently at Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> var. pungens<\/i> ?<\/span><\/a>
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In this case, it would be better if you check with the references under Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> var. pungens<\/i> <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> sobsp. tetraphylla<\/i>. Because stem has prickles.
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Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. Thank you \u2026<\/p>\n

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Abelmoschus moschatus from near Dakpathar<\/span><\/a>:\u00a0
\n<\/i>Abelmoschus moschatus<\/i> growing along roadsides and mountain foothills<\/span> near Dakpathar on way to Chakrata.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Feedback from another thread from …:<\/div>\n
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The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the “linear to narrowly oblong” epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?<\/div>\n
Instead, this species bear some similarities with A. angulosus<\/i>\u00a0uploaded by … and … But the species perhaps not distributed in your region.<\/div>\n
I still have confusion to the id I myself suggested for this species in the thread.”<\/div>\n
Also looks different from other images at Abelmoschus moschatus<\/i> Medik.<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Malvaceae Fortnight:: Abelmoschus moschatus from Chakrata :NS 01\/01<\/span><\/a> : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Please validate the id of this post monsoon flowering \u00a0shrub recorded from Chakrata area..
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Thank you very much … for providing your valuable suggestions regarding many of my posts…your deep involvement is really inspiring…
\n<\/span>I will be more careful while taking pics in future, but for all these submissions, I have tried to provide all possible shots from different angles with me… <\/span>Thanks again …!!<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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The thread above was identified and validated. But where are the “linear to narrowly oblong” epicalyx lobes (described and illustrated in FoC)?<\/div>\n
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Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.<\/a> : 12 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2<\/span>)<\/span> – 2 & 3 mb.<\/div>\n
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Loca<\/span><\/span>tion:\u00a0Chalnakhel, kathmandu, Nepal<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Leaves vary a lot in their lobation ……this species and A. tuberculatus<\/i>, both grow in plenty every year …their leaves
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If you simply say Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk., it will mean <\/span>Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. tetraphylla<\/span><\/a>\u00a0and not Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens<\/span><\/a> <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
This is Abelmoschus manihot<\/i> subsp. tetraphyllus<\/i> var. pungens<\/i><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Abelmoschus moschatus from near Dakpathar, Uttarakhand-GS08122021-1<\/a>: 5 high res. images.
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I think\u00a0Abelmoschus manihot<\/em>\u00a0(L.) Medik. subsp.\u00a0tetraphyllus<\/em>\u00a0(Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var.\u00a0pungens<\/em>\u00a0(Roxb.) Hochr.<\/span><\/a>, as per images and details herein.
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Abelmoschus manihot var. pungens (Roxb.) Hochr.<\/a>: 7 very high res. images.<\/p>\n

Location:\u00a0Chobhar, Kathmandu, Nepal \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Elevation: 1400m.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
Habitat: Wild\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Location:\u00a0Chobhar, Kathmandu, Nepal \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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Elevation: 1400m.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
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