{"id":1322371,"date":"2011-03-30T05:23:32","date_gmt":"2011-03-30T05:23:32","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T13:07:05","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T07:37:05","slug":"sida-rhombifolia-var-retusa","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/sida-rhombifolia-var-retusa\/","title":{"rendered":"Sida alnifolia ?"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Sida<\/i> alnifolia<\/i> L.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0(syn: Sida<\/i> rhombifolia<\/i> subsp. retusa<\/i> (L.) Borss. Waalk.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0..) ?;<\/div>\n
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Sida for ID :: Aarey, Mumbai :: ARKJAN13- 2<\/a> : 1 post by 1 author.<\/div>\n
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Saw these Sida<\/i> in the Aarey forest<\/span> in Mumbai in November 2016<\/span>. I suspect them to be more than 1 species.
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I think Sida alnifolia<\/i> L.<\/span><\/span><\/a>\u00a0or<\/span> Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L.<\/span><\/span><\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/span>for\u00a0 these segregated images.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Is there a mix up in these also ?<\/span><\/p>\n


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Sida rhombifolia L. ??<\/a> : 6 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Location:\u00a0Relli\u00a0River,Kalimpong, India<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 24 May \u00a02017<\/span><\/div>\n
Altitude: 2000 ft.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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I think close to images at <\/span>Sida alnifolia<\/i> L.<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Sida alnifolia<\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/i>L.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Sida rhombifolia<\/i><\/span>\u00a0subsp.<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span>alnifolia<\/i><\/span>\u00a0(L.) R.E. Ugborogho<\/span><\/span>
\nENGLISH :\u00a0 Alder-leaved Sida<\/b><\/span>.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Paddy\u2019s lucern \/ Jelly Leaf \/ Lal Berala<\/b><\/span>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n


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at Central Park, Salt Lake, Near<\/span> Kolkata on 24\/10\/2007; At Hooghly, West Bengal- 4\/8\/07;<\/span><\/span><\/td>\nSIDA – WHICH SPECIES? – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\nPLANT FOR IDENTIFICATION – 10 – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\nSIDA ACUTA. – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\nSida rhombifolia – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\nWhich Sida species ? : SP110908_B – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Sida rhombifolia L. (?) from Hooghly:<\/a><\/p>\n

I hope this is Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L., the Bengali name of which has been stated as LAL-BERELA in the book, Plant Groups, by H. Mukherji.<\/div>\n
Species : Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L. ?<\/div>\n
Habit & Habitat : wild herb, about 2 feet, found on roadside<\/span>, pictures were taken from two individual plants at the same place<\/div>\n
Date : 01\/09\/12 & 03\/09\/12<\/span><\/div>\n
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Place : Kamarkundu (Hooghly)<\/span><\/p>\n


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Negative. This is Sida retusa<\/i>. Please check these links for my photographs and our previous discussion<\/a> on this<\/a><\/p>\n


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Though my flowers differ with your picture of S. rhombifolia<\/i> at – efi thread<\/a>, i think my leaves differ with that of your images of S. retusa<\/i> leaves at – efi thread<\/a>.<\/div>\n
Besides, the following websites informs S. retusa = S, rhombifolia<\/i> L. or S. rhombifolia<\/i> L. subsp. rhombifolia<\/i> –<\/div>\n
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  1. http:\/\/www.ars-grin.gov\/cgi-bin\/npgs\/html\/taxon.pl?33900<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n
  2. http:\/\/keys.trin.org.au\/key-server\/data\/0e0f0504-0103-430d-8004-060d07080d04\/media\/Html\/taxon\/Sida_rhombifolia.htm<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n
  3. http:\/\/www.anbg.gov.au\/common.names\/<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
    On the other hand The Plant List informs –<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    1. Sida retusa<\/i> L. is a synonym of Sida alnifolia<\/i> var. alnifolia<\/i> – http:\/\/www.theplantlist.org\/tpl\/record\/tro-19601817<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n
    2. more synonyms of the above – http:\/\/www.theplantlist.org\/tpl\/record\/tro-19603576<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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      I am confused. Attaching one more photographs, a larger one, for your perusal.<\/p>\n


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      Affirmative. This is Sida retusa<\/i>. [Don’t go by the leaves at the top of the plant. Check the leaves lower down<\/span>]. As Dr.Almeida explained to me when I posed the same questions to him – retusa means ‘cut’ – its as if someone has abruptly cut the leaves.<\/span> Whereas in Sida rhombifolia<\/i>, the leaves are rhomboid.<\/span><\/p>\n


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      The images of Sida retusa<\/i> (your uploads<\/a>) do perfectly match with herbarium found at – http:\/\/ww2.bgbm.org\/herbarium\/view_large.cfm?SpecimenPK=151598&idThumb=378002&SpecimenSequenz=1&loan=0<\/span><\/a>
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      I thought my pics resemble with the herbarium at – http:\/\/ww2.bgbm.org\/herbarium\/view_large.cfm?SpecimenPK=151592&idThumb=377939&SpecimenSequenz=1&loan=0<\/span><\/a>. But my inexperienced eyes and lack of knowledge are very likely to deceive me.<\/div>\n
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      Thank you very much for the correct id of this Sida<\/i>.<\/p>\n


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      You are most welcome … Sending you some of my more recent photographs of Sida retusa<\/i>.<\/p>\n


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      I understand that my species is Sida retusa<\/i>, not S. rhombifolia<\/i>. You know it much better than me. Please, tell me, of the followings, which one is correct –<\/div>\n
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      1. Sida retusa = Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L.<\/li>\n
      2. Sida retusa<\/i> L. = Sida alnifolia<\/i> var. alnifolia<\/i><\/li>\n
      3. Sida retusa<\/i> is not connected to any of the above<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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        To complicate matters further….. Dr. Almeida in his ‘Flora of Maharashtra’ classifies this as Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L. var retusa<\/i> [Linn.] Masters.<\/span><\/p>\n


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        I also noticed Sida rhombifolia<\/i> L. var. retusa<\/i>, in the net. To make the matter more confusing Flora of China has four varieties of Sida alnifolia<\/i>! Too complicated to me.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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        Requesting ID of this Sida- Mumbai :: 20092013 :: ARK-01 :: September 2013<\/a> : Attachments (4). 3 posts by 2 authors.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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        Requesting to please ID this Sida<\/i> captured at SGNP, Mumbai in September 2013.<\/span><\/p>\n


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        This is Sida retusa<\/i>. Please check this link<\/a><\/p>\n


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        Thanks … for the ID.<\/p>\n

        The plant list states that Sida retusa<\/i> is a synonym of Sida alnifolia<\/i>…..<\/div>\n
        And I guess, determining factor for the ID is the shape of the lower leaves seen in the 3rd photograph.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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