{"id":1370694,"date":"2011-04-13T10:07:18","date_gmt":"2011-04-13T10:07:18","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T18:47:43","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T13:17:43","slug":"rubus-pedunculosus","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/rubus-pedunculosus\/","title":{"rendered":"Rubus pedunculosus"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Rubus<\/i> pedunculosus<\/i> D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 234 234 1825<\/i>. (Syn: Rubus concolor<\/i> Wall. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus gracilis<\/i> Roxb. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus gracilis<\/i> var. chiliacanthus<\/i> Hand.-Mazz.; Rubus gracilis<\/i> var. hypargyrus<\/i> (Edgew.) Focke; Rubus gracilis<\/i> var. hypargyrus<\/i> (Edgw.) S. K. Mukerjee; Rubus gracilis<\/i> var. pluvialis<\/i> Hand.-Mazz.; Rubus hypargyrus<\/i> Edgew.; Rubus hypargyrus<\/i> var. concolor<\/i> (Hook. fil.) Hara; Rubus hypargyrus<\/i> var. niveus<\/i> (Wall. ex G. Don) Hara; Rubus niveus<\/i> Wall. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus niveus<\/i> var. concolor<\/i> Hook. fil.; Rubus niveus<\/i> var. hypargyrus<\/i> (Edgew.) Hook. fil.; Rubus niveus<\/i> var. niveus<\/i> (Wall.) Hook. fil.; Rubus pedunculosus<\/i> var. concolor<\/i> (Hook. fil.) Kitam.; Rubus pedunculosus<\/i> var. hypargyrus<\/i> (Edgew.) Kitam.);<\/div>\n
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China (W-Yunnan), SE-Tibet, Bhutan, NW-India, Jammu & Kashmir (Kashmir), <\/span>Pakistan (Pakistani Punjab), Nepal, Sikkim,<\/span> Myanmar [Burma] (Chin)<\/span> as per Catalogue of Life<\/a>;<\/div>\n
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Common name:<\/b> Three-Leaf Raspberry<\/div>\n
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As per efi thread<\/a>:<\/div>\n
One the terminal leaflet<\/span> of hoffmeisterianus<\/i> is much larger than others and often 3-lobed, <\/span>not 3-lobed in <\/span>R. pedunculosus<\/span>
\n<\/span><\/i>Calyx lobes<\/span> of hoffmeisterianus<\/i> are ovate and acute, in pedunculosus<\/i> calyx lobes have long slender apices<\/span>
\nLeaflets<\/span> are with blunt teeth in hoffmeisterianus<\/i>, doubly sharply toothed in pedunculosus<\/i><\/span>
\nLeaves <\/span>are densely white-wooly (matted wooly hairs) in hoffmeisterianus<\/i>, white-hoary (white greyish white hairs)<\/span><\/span> in pedunculosus
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Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb32 for Id- JM<\/a>:
\nWild Herb captured on 13\/8\/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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– it could be. According to GRIN R. hypagyrus<\/i> should replace R. niveus<\/i> Wall. because R. lasiocarpus<\/i> Sm. is correctly R. niveus<\/i> Thunb. It seems R. hypagyrus<\/i> has several varieties (like R. niveus<\/i> Wall in FBI). Would be interesting to know which variety this one is. Similar plant growing in Manali, Nainital, Kashmir is evidently different with larger leaflets (terminal often reaching 6-8 cm) \u00a0and whtish to light pink flowers<\/span> whereas
\nR. viveus<\/i> var. hypagyrus<\/i> (according to FBI) has 1.5-2.5 cm cm long leaflets.<\/p>\n

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-It is all the more so for me, since i came to California I found a Rubus<\/i> sp. commonly known here as Himalayan blackberry<\/b>, and is believed the seeds where brought here in about 1885 and had been identified as R. procerus<\/i> Muller (is a distinct species now correctly known as R. praecox<\/i> Bertol a European species) or R. discolor<\/i> (a synonym of R. ulmifolius<\/i>) but it is now known that this Himalayan Blackberry is correctly known as R. armeniacus<\/i>.<\/div>\n
http:\/\/www.ou.edu\/cas\/botany-micro\/ben\/ben230.html<\/span><\/a>
\nI have two distinct species with me to account for, one clearly R. ulmofolius<\/b><\/span><\/i> with pruinose stem, thicker leaves (R. discolor<\/i> in FBI) <\/span>and one similar to R. armeniacus<\/b><\/i> found as I wrote earlier in Manali, Nainital and Kashmir. with leaves larger than plant uploaded by .. and with much lighter coloured flowers.<\/span> Two species to sort amongst the following: R. ulmifolius<\/i> (almost settled as plant is distinct), R. hypagyrus, R. mesogaeus, R. praecox<\/i> and R. armeniacus<\/i>. Perhaps if I find a key to these taxa it may help. Hortus Third, which I initially thought would be useful is no help. It just gives a few characters but no key.<\/div>\n
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-I could hardly find any inf. on net about Rubus hypargyrus<\/i> except this with links to upper & lower side of a leaf:
\nhttp:\/\/bioweb.wku.edu\/rubus\/Rubus_species_reply.asp?ID=262<\/span><\/a>
\n–\u00a0\u00a0Can this be <\/span>Rubus hypargyrus<\/i>?<\/span><\/div>\n
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– it could be. According to GRIN R. hypagyrus<\/i> should replace R. niveus<\/i> Wall. because R. lasiocarpus<\/i> Sm. is correctly R. niveus<\/i> Thunb. It seems R. hypagyrus<\/i> has several varieties (like R. niveus<\/i> Wall in FBI). Would be interesting to know which variety this one is. Similar plant growing in Manali, Nainital, Kashmir is evidently different with larger leaflets (terminal often reaching 6-8 cm) \u00a0and whtish to light pink flowers<\/span> whereas
\nR. viveus<\/i> var. hypagyrus<\/i> (according to FBI) has 1.5-2.5 cm cm long leaflets.<\/p>\n

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-It is all the more so for me, since i came to California I found a Rubus<\/i> sp. commonly known here as Himalayan blackberry<\/b>, and is believed the seeds where brought here in about 1885 and had been identified as R. procerus<\/i> Muller (is a distinct species now correctly known as R. praecox<\/i> Bertol a European species) or R. discolor<\/i> (a synonym of R. ulmifolius<\/i>) but it is now known that this Himalayan Blackberry is correctly known as R. armeniacus<\/i>.<\/div>\n
http:\/\/www.ou.edu\/cas\/botany-micro\/ben\/ben230.html<\/span><\/a>
\nI have two distinct species with me to account for, one clearly R. ulmofolius<\/b><\/span><\/i> with pruinose stem, thicker leaves (R. discolor<\/i> in FBI) <\/span>and one similar to R. armeniacus<\/b><\/i> found as I wrote earlier in Manali, Nainital and Kashmir. with leaves larger than plant uploaded by .. and with much lighter coloured flowers.<\/span> Two species to sort amongst the following: R. ulmifolius<\/i> (almost settled as plant is distinct), R. hypagyrus, R. mesogaeus, R. praecox<\/i> and R. armeniacus<\/i>. Perhaps if I find a key to these taxa it may help. Hortus Third, which I initially thought would be useful is no help. It just gives a few characters but no key.<\/div>\n
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\nhttp:\/\/bioweb.wku.edu\/rubus\/Rubus_species_reply.asp?ID=262<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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VoF Week :: Rubus niveus at Valley of Flowers:<\/a>
\nRubus niveus<\/i> Thunb. … (family: Rosaceae<\/i>)<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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\nValley of Flowers … about 11000 – 12000 ft<\/span><\/div>\n
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I think we should go with R. pedunculosus<\/i>, although there is lots of variation in this complex.<\/p>\n

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Rubus niveus<\/i> Thunb. as understood now is the plant with 7-9 leaflets described under the name R. lasiocarpus<\/i> Sm. and the plant described as R. niveus<\/i> Wall. ex G. Don in FBI with usually 3 leaflets is now mostly known as R. pedunculosus<\/b><\/i> (syn: R. hypagyrus<\/i>).<\/span><\/div>\n
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\nVOF Week: Rubus pedunculosus?? at VOF:<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0I hope this Shrub is Rubus pedunculosus<\/i> (Family: Rosaceae<\/i>)?
\nDate\/Time: 08-08-2012 \/ 01:30PM
\nLocation: VOF<\/span>
\nHabitat: Wild
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I hope yes. Good set of photographs …<\/p>\n

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\nVOF Week: Rubus for Id from Ghanghariya-G.Ghat Trek:<\/a>
\nThis raspberry<\/b> was shot from Ghanghriya-Gobind Ghat Trail..<\/span>. the pics are undoubtedly insufficient for final conclusion… still I hope to get some clues….<\/p>\n

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Getting to see wild raspberry<\/p>\n

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a raspberry??? or\u00a0if more ripe ones on the same plant are also bluish\/black… a blackberry??<\/p>\n

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This could be the fruiting of Rubus pedunculosus<\/i> ??<\/p>\n

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I think yes …<\/p>\n

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With three leaflets, it should be Rubus pedunculosus<\/i>.<\/div>\n
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SK1360 08 AUG 2018<\/span><\/a> : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)- around 800 kb each.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Location: Nagarkot, Nepal<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Altitude : 6000 ft.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 18 July 2018
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Yes Rubus\ud83d\ude01<\/i>!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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May be Rubus pedunculosus<\/i><\/span><\/a>
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Rubus for ID :: VOF, Uttarakhand :: Aug 2018 :: ARKOCT-60<\/span><\/a>\u00a0: 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
\n<\/span>Saw this just as we reached <\/span>VOF on the top, Uttarakhand in Aug 2018.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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I think close to images at Rubus pedunculosus<\/i><\/span> D. Don<\/span><\/a>\u00a0as per comparative images at Rubus<\/i><\/span><\/a>\u200e<\/i><\/p>\n

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SK 3280 01 January 2022<\/a>: 1 very high res. image.<\/p>\n

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Location: Jumla, West Nepal<\/span><\/div>\n
Altitude: \u00a02800\u00a0m.<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 24 August 2021
\n<\/span>Habit : Wild
\n<\/span>Rubus pedunculosus\u00a0<\/i>D.Don ??
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Yes, appears close to images at\u00a0Rubus pedunculosus<\/span><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n

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\nLocation: Arunachal Pradesh
\n<\/span>Scientific name : <\/span>Rubus<\/em> sp. ??<\/span><\/p>\n

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Rubus sengorensis\u00a0<\/i>Grierson & D.G.Long ??<\/p>\n

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\nhttps:\/\/www.gbif.org\/species\/2994172<\/a>
\nPl. check\u00a0Rubus pedunculosus<\/em>\u00a0D. Don<\/a><\/p>\n

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Rubus niveus Thunb.<\/a>: 3 high res. images.<\/p>\n
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Location: Barsha Tal,\u00a0Dhorpatan, Baglung, Nepal\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 31May 2023<\/span><\/div>\n
Elevation: 2900\u00a0m.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Habit : Wild<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nhttps:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/2011\/03\/27\/rubus-niveus\/<\/a>
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\nhttps:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/2011\/04\/13\/rubus-pedunculosus\/<\/a>
\nhttps:\/\/powo.science.kew.org\/names:739024-1<\/a><\/p>\n

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\nhttps:\/\/www.flowersofindia.net\/Three-Leaf%20Raspberry.html<\/a><\/p>\n

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Pl. refer to POWO<\/a> and Catalogue of Life<\/a><\/p>\n

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Catalogue of Life<\/span><\/a>\u00a0 The Plant List Ver.1.1<\/span><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0POWO<\/a>\u00a0 GBIF<\/a> (specimens)\u00a0 <\/span>Flora of China<\/span><\/a>\u00a0 Checklist of Nepal<\/a>\u00a0 Flowers of India<\/a>\u00a0 Useful Temperate Plants<\/a>\u00a0 India Biodiversity Portal<\/a>\u00a0 GISD<\/a>\u00a0 GRIN<\/span><\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Rubus pedunculosus D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 234 234 1825. (Syn: Rubus concolor Wall. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus gracilis Roxb. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus gracilis var. chiliacanthus Hand.-Mazz.; Rubus gracilis var. hypargyrus (Edgew.) Focke; Rubus gracilis var. hypargyrus (Edgw.) S. K. Mukerjee; Rubus gracilis var. pluvialis Hand.-Mazz.; Rubus hypargyrus Edgew.; Rubus hypargyrus…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"ht-kb-category":[4970],"ht-kb-tag":[],"class_list":["post-1370694","ht_kb","type-ht_kb","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","ht_kb_category-rubus"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb\/1370694","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/ht_kb"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1370694"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb\/1370694\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1370694"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"ht_kb_category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb-category?post=1370694"},{"taxonomy":"ht_kb_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb-tag?post=1370694"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}