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Androsace<\/i> globifera<\/i> Duby, Prodr. 8: 48 1844<\/i>. (syn: Primula globifera<\/i> (Duby) Kuntze (ambiguous synonym);\u00a0\u00a0Primula globifera<\/i> (Duby) S.S.R. Bennet & M.B. Raizada (ambiguous synonym));
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VoF Week :: DV :: 03 AUG 12 – 0241 :: Primula garhwalica syn. Androsace garhwalica along Hemakund – Ghangaria trail:<\/a>
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\nsyn. Androsace garhwalica<\/i> Balodi & S.Singh<\/span><\/p>\n

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Please check my <\/span>mucronifolia<\/i>. I assume mine to be correct.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Yes dear\u00a0… – will go with your ID. The plants are ditto.
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I am confused by this.\u00a0It certainly appears to be an Androsace<\/i> rather than a Primula<\/i>.<\/div>\n
I am not familiar with this species. Clearly it has been named by Indian botanists. Could someone tell me the publication this species was described in and how it is distinguished from related species?
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Thanks … for validating this post; will revise my notes at flickr, when we reach to any conclusion.<\/p>\n

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Thanks, …,<\/div>\n
To me it appears close to Androsace globifera<\/i> as per the following images (though I may or may not be correct):<\/div>\n
Phyto images 1<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n
https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.Androsace_globifera_3.JPG<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.Androsace_globifera.jpg<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
https:\/\/www.nargs.org\/plant\/androsace-globifera<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
Phyto images 2<\/a>
\nhttp:\/\/garden.org\/plants\/view\/133923\/Rock-Jasmine-Androsace-globifera\/<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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Thought best to collect my thoughts before responding further.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

The problem with the links provided (and most from specialist nurseries, growers and the like) is that such people (in good faith mostly – though it is in the commercial interest of nurseries to list as many different species & cultivars as possible, as there are collectors of all available examples of favoured genera e.g. Androsace, Primula, Iris, Meconopsis, Geranium<\/i> etc.).\u00a0 They will buy if the species name or cultivar name is different to what they already have (or think they have).<\/div>\n
The problem is that hardly any of those running nurseries, websites (even the top horticulturists in the UK) have any proper training in how to identify plants – to be fair, often few, if any reference books or other resources exist.\u00a0 They rely on the name something arrived at.<\/div>\n
The result is, as my own informal research suggests, a high proportion of plants are misidentified in cultivation (just as a significant proportion of plants seen during surveys and trips to the Himalaya are misidentified).\u00a0 For plants under names of species found in the Himalaya (some plants grow in the Himalaya and other regions of the world, so the example may not have originated in the Himalaya) I judge at least<\/u> 50% to be misidentified (and I do not mean because they are hybrids, another complication in cultivation) – I have checked plants from nurseries and sources of seed, commercial and botanic garden index semina.
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Thus, we cannot expect the situation with Androsace<\/i> in cultivation to be any different.
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Of the links provided, the final two do not come close to the others and in my opinion are not Androsace globifera<\/i>.
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As to the identity of the plant photographed in VoF – this, as I have already stated is definitely not A.mucronifolia<\/i>.\u00a0 It might be A.globifera<\/i><\/span><\/span> but some sources say it should have flower-stalks (others like ‘Flowers of Himalaya’ say short-stalked or stalkless.\u00a0 It is the most likely candidate.
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There has long been confusion with the mat and cushion-forming species.<\/span>
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Interestingly, the image of A.globifera<\/i> in ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ shows flowers with darker central parts, as does the much larger photo of this species in ‘Portraits of Himalayan Flowers’ (T.Yoshida), along with one of the images in his ‘Himalayan Plants Illustrated’.<\/span><\/div>\n
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As to Androsace garwhalicum<\/i>.\u00a0I have looked through the notes provided when this species was described in 1988. I note the NEW species was ‘discovered’ in the BSD herbarium, NOT in the wild.\u00a0 Their description and the accompanying line drawings.\u00a0 I do not know who did the line drawings but they do not appear to have been acknowledged.\u00a0 Anyhow, C.Bhattacharya made the collection in Hemkund @ 4200m (though do not give a date) with the type in Calcutta herbarium.<\/span><\/span>
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I have to say the line drawing is a bit confusing as it appears to show minute flowers a fraction of the length of the leaves, yet in the description it states the petal lobes are 5.5mm long (whilst the leaves are 2.5-5mm).\u00a0Clearly a mistake.\u00a0Ever more extraordinary is the claim that the petals are pale blue.\u00a0 I don’t know of too many Androsaces with blue flowers!\u00a0 But I suspect I have the explanation and it stems from a problem encountered by those examining dried specimens in\u00a0herbaria\u00a0– the colour of dried flowers if often\u00a0different to fresh ones.\u00a0 I am very surprised the authors of this new species did not realise this (or the senior botanist who went through the manuscript).\u00a0 Anyhow, as Professor Richards says,\u00a0petiolarid flowers which are pink when fresh dry blue….. Perhaps the same has happened here?\u00a0\u00a0 Maybe the blue flowers contributed to the authors imaging the specimen was a Primula – hence but incorrectly, in my mind, Primula garhwalicum<\/i>.\u00a0<\/span><\/span>
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It would be helpful if a group member with access to BSD, DD or CAL herbaria, could take good close-ups of the specimens of Androsace garwhalicum<\/i> and post them on this site, so we have these for reference purposes.
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VoF Week: Primulaceae – Androsace mucronifolia Watt:<\/a> 11 posts by 5 authors. 1 image.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Androsace mucronifolia<\/i> Watt in J. Linn. Soc. 18:381. t. xiv B. 1882.<\/div>\n
Family: Primulaceae<\/i><\/div>\n
Distribution: E. Afghanistan, N.W. Himalaya, W. Tibet, W. China
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I am confused by this.\u00a0It certainly appears to be an Androsace rather than a Primula<\/i>.<\/div>\n
I can say with confidence that it is not Androsace mucronifolia<\/i> – in fact the plant from VOF is not remotely similar to A.mucronifolia<\/i>.\u00a0 This species is only recorded from Aghanistan to Kashmir, so would not be expected in VOF anyhow.
\n<\/span>The image does seem to match the posting named as <\/span>Androsace garhwalica<\/i> (<\/span>Primula garhwalica<\/i>). I am not familiar with this species.\u00a0 Clearly it has been named by Indian botanists. Could someone tell me the publication this species was described in and how it is distinguished from related species?<\/span><\/div>\n
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See more discussions in another thread at<\/span>\u00a0<\/span>VOF Week: : Androsace mucronifolia? en-route Hemkund sahib<\/span><\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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… has kindly sent me the description of Androsace garwhalicum<\/i>.\u00a0The photos taken in the VoF are definitely not A.mucronifolia<\/i>.
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We are currently checking through Androsaces recorded from India.\u00a0 There are quite a number of taxa where\u00a0confusion\/uncertainty exists.\u00a0I am in agreement with <\/span>Dr Nasir in ‘Primulaceae’ (Flora of Pakistan) that past records for this\u00a0A.globifera<\/i> in “the Punjab” are misidentifications.\u00a0One of the specimens seems to be<\/span><\/div>\n
Androsace baltistanica<\/i> whilst the other is likely to prove to be.\u00a0 I am currently attempting to familiarise myself with the latter species and how it is distinguished from similar species in Ladakh.\u00a0 A.baltistanica<\/i> was not know to Stewart in his ‘Annotated Catalogue…’
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I do not understand on what basis Androsace garwhalicum<\/i> has become a Primula!\u00a0 Is there DNA or other non-morphological evidence to support this new combination?\u00a0 It looks like an Androsace to me…..
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I am attempting to familiarise myself with this species and how to distinguish it from similar species and work out which species it is likely to have been mistaken for in the past.\u00a0 In the description … sent there is a key distinguishing it from A.selagini<\/i> (which I have not heard of) which is apparently another new name (though no author is given) for A.selago<\/i> Hook.f. & Thoms.
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Since A.selago<\/i> is not recorded for Uttarakhand or indeed Nepal though is found in Bhutan, Sikkim & Chumbi, it would have been helpful if the authors had told us how to distinguish this new species from those already recorded from the region such as A.globifera, which at present I think it the most likely species it was mistaken for in the past.\u00a0 Given the challenges this genus present and lack of good reference descriptions such information would have been useful for all those concerned.
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According to ‘Flora of Bhutan’ (Vol 2 Part 2, 1999) Grierson & Long felt that A.selago<\/i> and A.tapete<\/i> are variable species which appear to intergrade.\u00a0 Further research is needed on their distinction.\u00a0 Treatment as varieties may be more appropriate.<\/span><\/div>\n
Please can group members look out for an make a special effort to photograph Androsaces<\/i> in the years to come both from higher and lower altitudes as knowing where (geographically-speaking) at what altitude and in which habitats, each species is found, represents meaningful information – as well as helping work out abundance (or not).\u00a0 Good close-ups of flowers (incl. petals & sepals) along with foliage will contribute towards us being able to <\/span>distinguish between similar species with greater certainty.
\n<\/span>I personally, would be particularly pleased to view good close-ups of <\/span>Androsaces<\/i> from Ladakh to help me become clearer about the differences between <\/span>A.baltistanica, A.robusta<\/i> and<\/span> A.muscoidea<\/i> in that region.\u00a0I am reasonably clear about<\/span> A.mucronifolia, A.sempervivoides, A.septentrionalis <\/i>&<\/span> A.thomsonii<\/i> which are also recorded from Ladakh.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Thanks, … To me it appears close to Androsace globifera<\/i> as per the following images (though I may or may not be correct):<\/div>\n
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https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.Androsace_globifera_3.JPG<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/Androsace_globifera.jpg<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
https:\/\/www.nargs.org\/plant\/androsace-globifera<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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http:\/\/kallima.sk\/species.php?plant=51<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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Thought best to collect my thoughts before responding further.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

The problem with the links provided (and most from specialist nurseries, growers and the like) is that such people (in good faith mostly – though it is in the commercial interest of nurseries to list as many different species & cultivars as possible, as there are collectors of all available examples of favoured genera e.g. Androsace, Primula, Iris, Meconopsis, Geranium<\/i> etc.).\u00a0 They will buy if the species name or cultivar name is different to what they already have (or think they have).<\/div>\n
The problem is that hardly any of those running nurseries, websites (even the top horticulturists in the UK) have any proper training in how to identify plants – to be fair, often few, if any reference books or other resources exist.\u00a0 They rely on the name something arrived at.<\/div>\n
The result is, as my own informal research suggests, a high proportion of plants are misidentified in cultivation (just as a significant proportion of plants seen during surveys and trips to the Himalaya are misidentified).\u00a0 For plants under names of species found in the Himalaya (some plants grow in the Himalaya and other regions of the world, so the example may not have originated in the Himalaya) I judge at least<\/u> 50% to be misidentified (and I do not mean because they are hybrids, another complication in cultivation) – I have checked plants from nurseries and sources of seed, commercial and botanic garden index semina.
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Thus, we cannot expect the situation with Androsace<\/i> in cultivation to be any different.
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Of the links provided, the final two do not come close to the others and in my opinion are not Androsace globifera<\/i>.
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As to the identity of the plant photographed in VoF – this, as I have already stated is definitely not A.mucronifolia<\/i>.\u00a0 It might be A.globifera<\/i><\/span><\/span> but some sources say it should have flower-stalks (others like ‘Flowers of Himalaya’ say short-stalked or stalkless.\u00a0 It is the most likely candidate.
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There has long been confusion with the mat and cushion-forming species.
\n<\/span><\/span>Interestingly, the image of <\/span>A.globifera<\/i> in ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ shows flowers with darker central parts, as does the much larger photo of this species in ‘Portraits of Himalayan Flowers’ (T.Yoshida), along with one of the images in his ‘Himalayan Plants Illustrated’.<\/span><\/div>\n
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VOF Week: : Androsace mucronifolia? en-route Hemkund sahib:<\/a>
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I had earlier identified this as Androsace garhwalicum<\/i> (Ref: book by Keshava Murthy). After seeing the post by\u00a0… of similar plant i feel this plant could also be Androsace<\/i> mucronifolia<\/i>?
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Thanks … for another interesting upload.<\/p>\n

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just like some totally unrelated plants as in yesterday today and tomorrow… dont know the binomial…. this plant too seems to have flowers that are changing colors…
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Thanks …, … for appreciating this upload. I had seen few plants including some Androsace<\/i> sp, Geranium<\/i> sp., Boraginaceae<\/i> sp with different colours – some fading.
\nIn fact i was bit late to photograph this.\u00a0… has photographed this plant almost one week ahead of me and he got the plant in full bloom.<\/p>\n

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Yes … now that I looked at … post<\/a> – there too is the same fading to white though I agree It was a bit younger more jubilant looking clump at that point in time…
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This is definitely not Androsace mucronifolia<\/i> which is not recorded East of Kashmir. I do not know what Androsace garwhalicum is supposed to look like or how it is distinguished from related Androsaces.\u00a0 Can anyone in this group tell me and give the full reference\u00a0for the publication of this species?<\/div>\n
These images look close to those shown on the FOI site named incorrectly as Androsace mucronifolia<\/i>. See: http:\/\/www.flowersofindia.Needle-TippedRockJasmine.html<\/span><\/a>
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\nAndrosace mucronifolia<\/i> Watt is not known in Uttarakhand, at least not listed in Uniyal et al. 2007 [(Flowering Plants of Uttarakhand (A Checklist)].
\nImages shown here and another upload by … show the characters given by Nasir 1984 (FoPakistan) except that the flowers are invariably solitary on peduncles. Nasir have mentioned a varietal name A.mucronifolia<\/i> var. uniflora<\/i> Kunth under synonyms which suggests that the species may have solitary flower.
\nThe species A. garhwalicum<\/i> described by Bipin Balodi and Surendra Singh (in Bull. Bot. Surv. India 30(1-4). 1988) from Hemkund area (India, UP, Chamoli Garhwal, Hemkund, 4200m, U.C. Bhattacharyya 29497 A(Holo), B (Iso) at CAL and BSD) also has solitary flower of 6mm across on 1cm long scape. It has dimorphic oblong-lanceolate or lanceolate leaves with lower leaves smaller and upper leaves larger. It is differentiated from East Himalayan A.selago<\/i> Hook.f. et Thomson ex Klatt which is (after seeing specimen in Herbcat) is a compact cushion forming species and image is in FoC.
\nA. globifera<\/i> and A. delavayi<\/i> are the other solitary flowered species in Uttarakhand and I have seen A. delavayi<\/i> in field which it is not. Even A.globifera<\/i> has more compact and silvery cushions ruling out the possibility.
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\nProtologue of A.garhwalicum<\/i> is attached here.<\/p>\n

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Many thanks for\u00a0your informative comments and sending the description of A.garwhalicum<\/i> which as I stated is new to me.<\/div>\n
There appear to be no records (to-date) for this species from the NW Himalaya.<\/div>\n
I shall look into this further.<\/div>\n
I can assure you that\u00a0the specimens photographed in the VOF\u00a0do not come close to Androsace mucronifolia<\/i>. Do you have available a copy of ‘Primulaceae’<\/i> (Flora Pakistan No. 157) which has a detailed description and line drawings of this species?\u00a0 The foliage and habit of the two species\u00a0are very different.
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I got to know A.mucronifolia<\/i> in Kashmir in the 1980s but not seen it elsewhere.\u00a0The images taken by my expedition members of this species were not in close-up.\u00a0\u00a0I shall see if I can locate them and then send.<\/span>
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I find it frustrating that so many species are described in India which only cover the differences to a species the author(s) say is the most closely related, even when that species occurs some distance away.\u00a0It is informative to know what the newly described species may have been mistaken for in the past i.e. species known to occur in the region.<\/div>\n
Do you think A.garwhalicum<\/i> was mistaken for A.globifera<\/i> in the past?\u00a0As Androsace selago<\/i> is not even recorded for Nepal let alone<\/span><\/div>\n
what is now Uttarakhand, then it cannot have been mistaken for this in the past.\u00a0\u00a0I would suggest that mostly, a species which is described\u00a0to be “new to science” has been either collected as herbarium specimen before but misidentified or passed by in the field and assumed to be an existing species.\u00a0Occasionally the ‘new’ species has genuinely not been noticed previously, especially in locations which have not been botanised in much previously. <\/span>
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I e.g. walked past a colony of Meconopsis latifolia<\/i> in Kashmir several times, assuming was just another form of Meconopsis aculeata<\/i>\u00a0amongst the rocks\/boulders – I had seen the latter species many times there.\u00a0 We all do this at times.<\/div>\n
Furthermore, what about Androsace tapete<\/i>, which is recorded from Nepal incl. West Nepal which borders Uttarakhand.\u00a0 Grierson & Long (Flora of Bhutan Vol 2 Part II) say that A.selago<\/i> and A.tapete<\/i> are variable species which appear to intergrade.\u00a0 Further research is needed on their distinction.\u00a0 Treatment as varieties may be more appropriate.\u00a0 IF these species are so close, why did not Balodi & Singh not comment about how to differentiate A.garwhalicum from A.tapete – which is found geographically nearer than A.selago.<\/div>\n
The images on the ANDROSACE<\/i> website suggest A.selago<\/i> and A.tapete<\/i> are distinct.\u00a0I am not familiar with Androsace selagini<\/i>.\u00a0 Do you know where this species name comes from? <\/span><\/div>\n
Also, do you know what Primula mucronifolia<\/i> is or why it is considered a Primula at all?\u00a0 See: efi thread<\/a><\/span>.\u00a0These images seem to match the others from VOF.<\/span><\/div>\n
The correct spelling of the name is A.garwhalicum<\/i> not A.garwhalica<\/i>!\u00a0 <\/span><\/div>\n
I cannot see the leaves closely in the photos but the shape of the tips does not appear to match those drawn in the description\u00a0of A.garwhalicum<\/i> you sent – would you not agree?
\n<\/span>Also,\u00a0did the British mountaineers who visited the VOF in the 1930s miss what is now <\/span>A.garwhalicum<\/i>? As <\/span>A.globifera<\/i> is in their Supplementary list it either means that both species are found in VOF or <\/span>A.garwhalicum<\/i> was mistaken for this. It would be interesting to inspect the pressed specimens of what was named as <\/span>A.globifera<\/i>. However, the list contains species which were observed and not collected, so perhaps <\/span>A.globifera<\/i> was one of these?\u00a0 this species is not described in the text of\u00a0the book. The only other <\/span>Androsaces<\/i> recorded from VOF (and Upper Garwhal) in the book ‘The Valley of Flowers’ are: <\/span>A.rotundifolia<\/i> (which it could not have been mistaken for), <\/span>A.primuloides<\/i> (which would now be within <\/span>A.sarmentosa<\/i> and would not have been mistaken for this), <\/span>A. poissonii<\/i> (now <\/span>A.delavayii<\/i> and would not be mistaken for this), finally <\/span>A.chamaejasme<\/i> var. <\/span>uniflora<\/i> (now <\/span>A.muscoidea<\/i> and unlikely to have been mistaken for this).<\/span><\/div>\n
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Since you have seen A.mucronifolia<\/i> I agree with your diagnosis that the plant in discussion is NOT A. mucronifolia<\/i>. Flowers are umbellate in A.mucronifolia<\/i> which is not visible in <\/span>Hemkund specimens<\/span><\/a>.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Yes I have a hard copy of Y.J. Nasir\u2019s (1984) Primulaceae<\/i> as included in Flora of Pakistan, which has not mentioned A. globifera<\/i> in sufficient details (no description or diagram) due to which we are not able to differentiate these two species. <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
I cannot comment on the new species described and the comparison of new species with geographically distant species by Indian Taxonomists. The authors were at BDS which is a herbarium housing more than 120000 specimens all collected from Western Himalaya and adjacent plains. I suppose, the authors must had seen A. globifera<\/i> which was a well known species at that time i.e. 1988. A. globifera<\/i> was included in Flora of Chamoli District published in 1984 and authored by B.D. Naithani from the same center (Dehradun) of Botanical Survey of India and another herbarium of Forest Research Institute at Dehradun (DD) house specimens collected from all parts of the Himalaya, adjacent countries and Europe. It is easily accessible and the authors, I suppose, must had seen all specimens of Androsace<\/i> housed in DD too. <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Many of the alpine plants in the Western Himalaya are still being identified superficially by the botanist based on Flowers of the Himalaya<\/i> (Polunin & Stainton 1984) and few botanists have seen its Supplement by Stainton (1988). A. globifera<\/i> and A. mucronifolia<\/i> both are illustrated in Flowers of the Himalaya<\/i> and look similar, at least in the copy which I have, may be due to poor colour printing. This seems to me the reason for this identification as A. mucronifolia<\/i>. As we all always reiterate identifying plants based on one picture (as based on Flowers of the Himalaya<\/i>) is always risky particularly when there are many morphologically similar species growing in the area; we all know this excellent document produced by Oleg Pollunin & Adam Stainton is not a complete account. Such cases cannot be resolved without a herbarium study. <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
I agree with you that the species is an Androsace<\/i> and have no such characters to be considered as Primula<\/i> at all. Two Indian taxonomists from DD made this <\/span>new combination<\/span><\/a> for a reason not known to me.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
I also have the accounts of Frank Smythe (Kamet Conquered and Valley of Flowers) and I have browsed them but cannot say which species they saw or whether their identifications were correct or not. But it is sure that they must have seen A.globifera<\/i> and this species in discussion though they may have considered both same species. <\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
Following species of Androsace<\/i> are known from Uttarakhan<\/span>d:<\/span><\/div>\n
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A. chamaejasme<\/span><\/i> Host<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. delavayi<\/span><\/i> Franch.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. fragilis<\/span><\/i> Duthie ex Prain<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. garhwalicum<\/span><\/i> Balodi & S.Singh<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. geranifolia<\/span><\/i> Watt.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. globifera<\/span><\/i> Duby<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. lanuginosa<\/span><\/i> Wallich<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. primuloides<\/span><\/i> (Hook.f.) Duby<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. rotundifolia<\/span><\/i> Hardw.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. umbellata<\/span><\/i> (Lour.) Merr.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. sarmentosa<\/span><\/i> Wallich<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

A. villosa<\/span><\/i> L.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Among these only A. delavayi<\/i>, A. garhwalicum<\/i>, A. globifera<\/i> are having solitary flower per rosette. A. delavayi<\/i> I have seen and have light yellow flowers which can be discarded for this case. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

I have not seen or collected A. garhwalicum<\/i> so can\u2019t say.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

The species considered as A. globifera<\/i> by me is attached here (Androsace globifera<\/i>_DSR) and it was shot in Sunderdhunga valley of Kumaon region. Kumaon region is closer to West Nepal then to Himachal Pradesh. In addition I am also attaching two more images (Androsace-1 and Androsace-2) for your comments on the ID. Androsace-1 was photographed at an elevation of 4800m in Chamoli district of Garhwal in first week of September and it was close to a ridge top on steep slope. Androsace-2 was photographed at an elevation of 3400 m in a glaciated valley near Badrinath in Chamoli district of Garhwal in September and it was found on exposed moderate slope.<\/span><\/span>
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Thanks, … To me it appears close to Androsace globifera<\/i> as per the following images (though I may or may not be correct):<\/div>\n
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Phyto images 1<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n
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https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/Androsace_globifera.jpg<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
https:\/\/www.nargs.org\/plant\/androsace-globifera<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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Yes I had sent the image to some friends and … says this should be A. globifera.
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Thought best to collect my thoughts before responding further.<\/div>\n
The problem with the links provided (and most from specialist nurseries, growers and the like) is that such people (in good faith mostly – though it is in the commercial interest of nurseries to list as many different species & cultivars as possible, as there are collectors of all available examples of favoured genera e.g. Androsace, Primula, Iris, Meconopsis, Geranium<\/i> etc.).\u00a0 They will buy if the species name or cultivar name is different to what they already have (or think they have).<\/div>\n
The problem is that hardly any of those running nurseries, websites (even the top horticulturists in the UK) have any proper training in how to identify plants – to be fair, often few, if any reference books or other resources exist.\u00a0 They rely on the name something arrived at.<\/div>\n
The result is, as my own informal research suggests, a high proportion of plants are misidentified in cultivation (just as a significant proportion of plants seen during surveys and trips to the Himalaya are misidentified).\u00a0 For plants under names of species found in the Himalaya (some plants grow in the Himalaya and other regions of the world, so the example may not have originated in the Himalaya) I judge at least<\/u> 50% to be misidentified (and I do not mean because they are hybrids, another complication in cultivation) – I have checked plants from nurseries and sources of seed, commercial and botanic garden index semina.
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Thus, we cannot expect the situation with Androsace<\/i> in cultivation to be any different.
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Of the links provided, the final two do not come close to the others and in my opinion are not Androsace globifera<\/i>.
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As to the identity of the plant photographed in VoF – this, as I have already stated is definitely not A.mucronifolia<\/i>.\u00a0 It might be A.globifera<\/i><\/span><\/span> but some sources say it should have flower-stalks (others like ‘Flowers of Himalaya’ say short-stalked or stalkless.\u00a0 It is the most likely candidate.
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There has long been confusion with the mat and cushion-forming species.<\/span>
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Interestingly, the image of A.globifera<\/i> in ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ shows flowers with darker central parts, as does the much larger photo of this species in ‘Portraits of Himalayan Flowers’ (T.Yoshida), along with one of the images in his ‘Himalayan Plants Illustrated’.
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Androsace-2 near Badrinath in Chamoli district of Garhwal<\/a>\u00a0: 5 posts by 2 authors.\u00a0Attachments\u00a0<\/span>(1)
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I need, at some point, to take a further close look at the genus in the Himalaya, so can add to what I have had to say so far.<\/div>\n
This is not something which can be accomplished quickly.\u00a0There are SO many genera in the Himalaya in need of further study and revision.<\/div>\n
Hopefully members will be able to get up into different parts of the Himalaya during 2017 to take more good quality close-up photos of various Androsaces including petals, sepals, foliage, habit and habitat to improve reference material.
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Small leaves in rosettes, single flowers, A. globulifera<\/em> I hope
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Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (incl. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight: Primulaceae- Androsace mucronifolia? en-route Hemkund sahib::-PKA13: :<\/a> : 5 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (5).
\nThis herb was seen on the boulders<\/span> en-route Hemkund Sahib.<\/span>
\nI think Androsace mucronifolia<\/i>?
\nFamily: Primulaceae<\/i>.<\/div>\n
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It is looking like Androsace mucronifolia<\/i> (Syn: Androsace globifera<\/i> Klatt).
\nThis species is very common in moist rocks above 3500 m in alpine meadows.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\n<\/i>Wonderful pictures. of a mat forming Primula<\/span> with Pink to white scented flowers. Oval leaves 2-4mm in rosettes.<\/span><\/div>\n
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I am confused by this. It certainly appears to be an <\/span>Androsace<\/i> rather than a <\/span>Primula<\/i>.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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I can say with confidence that it is not Androsace mucronifolia<\/i> – in fact the plant from VOF is not remotely similar to A.mucronifolia<\/i>.\u00a0 This species is only recorded from Aghanistan to Kashmir, so would not be expected in VOF anyhow.
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It might be A.globifera<\/i> but some sources say it should have flower-stalks (others like ‘Flowers of Himalaya’ say short-stalked or stalkless.\u00a0 It is the most likely candidate as per other threads in Androsace globifera<\/i><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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References:
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