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Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i> D.Don,<\/span> Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 213 1825<\/i>. (Syn: Timaeosia<\/i> cerastioides<\/i> (D. Don) Klotzsch<\/span><\/a>; Timaeosia rupestris<\/em>\u00a0Edgew. & Hook.f.<\/a>);<\/span><\/div>\n
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\njip-SOF-il-uh<\/b> — from the Greek gypsos<\/i> (gypsum) and philos<\/i> (loving)<\/span> … <\/span>Dave’s Botanary<\/u><\/span><\/a>
\nker-ras-tee-OY-deez<\/b> — resembling Cerastium<\/i> (genus name from the Greek keras<\/i> (horn)<\/span> … <\/span>Dave’s Botanary<\/u><\/span><\/a>
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\ncommonly known as<\/b>: Himalayan baby’s breath, chickweed baby’s-breath
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\n<\/span>Native to<\/b>: Himalaya (Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan)
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\n<\/span>Small perennial herb usually in subalpine forests and alpine meadows hardly reaching 10 cm in height, white villous; leaves opposite, 1.5-3 cm long, broadly obovate to spathulate, narrowed towards base, villous especially along margins; flowers white, 6-12 mm across, in congested dichasial cymes; pedicels up to 10 mm long; calyx 5-6 mm long, campanulate, white villous, with obscure nerves; petals white with 3 purple veins, 7-9 mm long, spathulate-obovate, retuse at tip; styles 2-3; capsule ovoid.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>
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Flower of Dalhousie al180411a<\/a>:
\nLocation Dalhousie, Chamba
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Flowers from upper Chamba – id al161011<\/a>:
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Location Upper Chamba<\/span>
\nAltitude 4000 mts<\/span>
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I think we found the same flower at around 4000 m in Sikkim.<\/span>
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Sir, I got confused because of the i.d from Dalhousie for Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i> which had no pink veins and the leaves too seemed different..<\/span> posting them again for comparison<\/p>\n

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VOF Week: Gypsophila cerastioides along Govindghat-Ghagaria Trail:<\/a>
\nSeen this small beautiful herb en-route “Govindghat-Ghagaria Trail”.<\/span>
\nBot. name: Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>
\nFamily: Caryophyllaceae<\/i>
\nDate\/Time: 08-08-2012 \/ 10:40AM<\/span>
\nHabitat: Wild, seen on the rocks..<\/span>
\nPlant Habit: Herb<\/span><\/p>\n

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So many flowers to watch and photographed in a very short spell, i literally got saturated. I am sure everyone would have gone thru same phase. One is bound to miss few flowers.<\/p>\n

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Yes … Another common Himalayan plant in alpine region.<\/span><\/p>\n

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VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0336 :: Gypsophila cerastioides (spelled cerastoides at The Plants List) at Valley of Flowers:<\/a>
\nGypsophila cerastioides<\/i> D.Don … (family: Caryophyllaceae<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I am sure that’s a mistake at The Plants List. “cerastoides<\/i>” does not make sense. It should mean “similar to cerastium<\/i>” and so it should be “cerastioides<\/i>“. IPNI reports G. cerastioides<\/i>, and so does GRIN.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Agreed …, therefore stuck to cerastioides<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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VoF Week: 19092012 BS 23 Small herb for id from way to Ghangriya:<\/a>
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Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i> I hope<\/p>\n

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Caryophyllaceae Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0338 :: Gypsophila cerastioides at Valley of Flowers:<\/a><\/div>\n
Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i> D.Don<\/div>\n
jip-SOF-il-uh<\/b> — from the Greek gypsos<\/i> (gypsum) and philos<\/i> (loving)<\/span> … Dave’s Botanary<\/u><\/span><\/a>
\nker-ras-tee-OY-deez<\/b> — resembling Cerastium<\/i> (genus name from the Greek keras<\/i> (horn)<\/span> … Dave’s Botanary<\/u><\/span><\/a>
\ncommonly known as<\/b>: Himalayan baby’s breath, chickweed baby’s-breath
\nNative to<\/b>: Himalaya (Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan)<\/span>
\nReferences<\/b>: Flowers of India<\/u><\/span><\/a> \u2022 <\/span>eFlora<\/u><\/span><\/a> \u2022 <\/span>NPGS \/ GRIN<\/u><\/span><\/a>
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Yes … <\/span>Thanks for sharing excellent photgraphs.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Caryophyllaceae Week: Gypsophila cerastioides along Govindghat-Ghagaria Trail–PKA5:<\/a>
\nSeen this small beautiful herb en-route “Govindghat-Ghagaria Trail”.<\/span>
\nBot. name: Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>
\nFamily: Caryophyllaceae<\/i>
\nDate\/Time: 08-08-2012 \/ 10:40AM<\/span>
\nHabitat: Wild, seen on the rocks..<\/span>
\nPlant Habit: Herb<\/span><\/p>\n

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Caryophyllaceae Week: Gysophila cerastoides VOF trip:<\/a>
\nThis one was shot from various locations during Tour to Valley of Flowers…<\/span> Gysophila cerastoides<\/i>…<\/p>\n

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Caryophyllaceae Week: Gypsophila ceratioides from Kashmir:<\/a>
\nGypsophila cerastioides<\/i> D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 215. 1825.
\n<\/span><\/span>Small perennial herb usually in subalpine forests and alpine meadows hardly reaching 10 cm in height, white villous; leaves opposite, 1.5-3 cm long, broadly obovate to spathulate, narrowed towards base, villous especially along margins; flowers white, 6-12 mm across, in congested dichasial cymes; pedicels up to 10 mm long; calyx 5-6 mm long, campanulate, white villous, with obscure nerves; petals white with 3 purple veins, 7-9 mm long, spathulate-obovate, retuse at tip; styles 2-3; capsule ovoid.
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Caryophyllaceae Week: Gypsophila cerastioides from Kashmir <\/a>:
\nGypsophila cerastioides<\/span><\/i>\u00a0D. Don, Prodr. Fl. Nepal. 215. 1825.<\/span>
\n<\/span>Small perennial herb usually in subalpine forests and alpine meadows hardly reaching 10 cm in height, white villous; leaves opposite, 1.5-3 cm long, broadly obovate to spathulate, narrowed towards base, villous especially along margins; flowers white, 6-12 mm across, in congested dichasial cymes; pedicels up to 10 mm long; calyx 5-6 mm long, campanulate, white villous, with obscure nerves; petals white with 3 purple veins, 7-9 mm long, spathulate-obovate, retuse at tip; styles 2-3; capsule ovoid.
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Flora of Himachal Pradesh: 31102013 BS1 Caryophyllaceae Member for id from Shimla<\/a> : Attachments (4). 4 posts by 3 authors.
\nCaryophyllaceae<\/i> Member for id from <\/span>Shimla<\/span>???
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Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (incl. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight:Primulaceae Lysimachia prolifera from MandalCopta Road-second variant -GSJUN18<\/a> : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3).
\nThis second type of population was photographed by us along Mandal Chopta Road a day later. The plants are very distinctive in being strongly ciliate leaf margin, and corolla lobes broader and not spreading and included stamens. Please have a critical look at this plant in light of comments by … on another upload.<\/p>\n

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I am afraid that it is not in Lysimachia<\/i>; looks more like Gypsophylla cerastioides<\/i> (Caryophyllaceae<\/i>).<\/p>\n

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On first seeing the pics, I was also having same view as expressed by …
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I think yes Gypsophylla cersatioides.\u00a0<\/i>Thanks a lot … My few photographs of <\/span>G. cerastioides<\/i> had long spreading petals, perhaps that confused me.<\/span><\/p>\n

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identification of the Plant<\/a> : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
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Seems <\/span>Gypsophylla cerastioides<\/i> (<\/span>Caryophyllaceae<\/i>). However, leaves of this species are not visible in the picture and the visible leaves are of some <\/span>Anaphalis<\/i> sp.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Yes Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i>
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Gypsophila cerastioides –enroute Dhel pass- GHNP – PKA5<\/a> : 4 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (7).<\/div>\n
This small beautiful herb<\/span> <\/span>was spotted en-route Dhel Pass<\/span> on the rocks near a water stream at an altitude of approx. 3600m.
\n<\/span>Bot. name: Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>
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Gypsophila cerastioides\/ABMAR33<\/a> :\u00a04 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (4)<\/span><\/div>\n
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I found these today just above Mcleodganj at the bottom of a mountain path<\/span> and photographed on the phone. These tiny flowers were about 8-15mm across.<\/span> I suspect that these are the Hiamalayan Baby’s Breath<\/b>. Please advise.<\/div>\n
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Yes it is Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i> (Caryophyllaceae<\/i>).<\/p>\n

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Yes Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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ANNOV14\/14 Gypsophila cerastoides D.Don (Churdhar Trip 59)<\/a> : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (<\/span>3<\/span>)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Herb for Id from Narkanda- NS October 01<\/a> : 7 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (4)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Please find attached the pics of a herb, recorded from Narkanda, H.P. on Hatoo road.<\/span><\/div>\n
This prostrate herb<\/span> is having quite a fair distribution at that landscape, but only one individual could be seen in flowering.<\/div>\n
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Difficult to ID as floral details are not\u00a0visible (poly\/ gamopetalous\/ stamen no\/ carpels).. If I have to make a WILD guess I will say Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i> (Caryophyllaceae<\/i>). A late season population, unusual in having solitary flower.<\/p>\n

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ID Requested AT OCT2016\/06<\/a> : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Fwd: Gypsophila cerastioides in the New York Botanical Garden<\/a> : 16 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (2)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Have noticed recent posts re: … identifying a specimen from Narkanda<\/span> as Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>.<\/div>\n
Came across this plant growing in the rockery<\/span> of the New York Botanical Garden<\/span>, the Bronx.<\/span><\/div>\n
Do members considered it has been correctly labelled?<\/div>\n
I was on a lecture tour (mostly to North American Rock Garden Society chapters) which provided the opportunity for me to spend some time in the herbaria of the New York Botanical Garden (when speaking to the Manhattan Chapter)\u00a0and Ann Arbor, Michigan (when speaking to the Great Lakes\u00a0Chapter, NARGS and gave a seminar at the University about the ‘Himalayan Travels of Walter Koelz’\u00a0\u00a0who with Thakur Rup Chand from Lahoul and their local collectors made extensive collections in the NW Himalaya including Kulu Valley, Lahoul & Ladakh in the 1930s; Koelz was a zoologist engaged by Russian NIcholas Roerich for the Urusvati Institute at Naggar, Kulu Valley and pressed a Kohli Memorial Gold Medal to the Herbarium, see: https:\/\/sites.google.com\/a\/shpa.org.uk\/main\/kohli-memorial-gold-medals<\/span><\/a>\u00a0(scroll down to 2011).<\/div>\n
Duplicate sets of pressed specimens collected for Roerich went to Ann Arbor and the New York Botanical Garden, where they were subsequently identified and labelled by Dr Ralph Stewart after he retired from being Principal of the Gordon College, Rawalpindi.\u00a0 Stewart, whilst working in Pakistan regularly visited the New York Botanic Garden Herbarium.<\/div>\n
The best quality set of pressed specimens (with good field notes) I know of the flora of upper Kulu Valley and Lahoul anywhere in the world are at Ann Arbor, Michigan – far better than Kew or the Natural History Museum in London. What a shame that the duplicate set of these lies, abandoned for 80 years “behind-the-scenes” at the Urusvati Institute – no doubt many of the thousands of specimens have rotted away or become infested by insects. What a waste of such a hard-won resource.\u00a0 I have tried, on 3 occasions, to gain access to what is left of the specimens to undertake an initial assessment but have not been permitted entry……<\/span><\/div>\n
This saddens me.\u00a0 Those is a senior position should have done something about it decades ago!<\/span><\/div>\n
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To me this species is <\/span>G. cerastioides<\/i> D.Don<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

The plant here is a cultivated specimen and if the records of provenance are faithful (as I think they are) it should be G. cerastioides<\/i> only.<\/div>\n
Two species of Gypsophila<\/i> are known in Western Himalaya- G. cerastioides<\/i> and G. sedifolia<\/i> Kurz.<\/div>\n
G. sedifolia<\/i> (=G. tibetica<\/i>) is quite different with linear leaves, smaller flowers and compact inflorescence (Herb specimen at Kew- <\/span>http:\/\/apps.kew.org\/herbcat\/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000725779<\/span><\/a>). It is known from Kashmir, above 2700m vide<\/i> Majumdar (1993).<\/span><\/div>\n
G. ceratioides<\/i> D.Don is widely distributed from Pakistan to Arunachal Pradesh and occurs above 2600m. <\/span>It is quite variable also and I have seen one population in North Garhwal with petals equal to sepals.
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Thanks … You mention records of provenance?\u00a0 Is there a site for plants grown at NYBG and their provenance?<\/span><\/div>\n
Whilst being shown “behind-the-scenes” I got a quick look at old notebooks for plant introductions\u00a0pre-WW2 but did not check anything for G.cerastioides<\/i>, so presumably this may well be widely cultivated in\u00a0North America.\u00a0 Many plants in cultivation in N.US<\/span><\/a>\u00a0originated from nurseries, sometimes seed exchanges in the UK.<\/div>\n
The UK Royal Horticultural Society has references which say when a plant was first thought to be introduced into cultivation but that\u00a0tends to be the first introduction to places like Kew or through the Royal Horticultural Society itself.<\/div>\n
There are often one-off introductions as well, sometimes earlier.\u00a0\u00a0 Britisher (and other European) visitors to the foothills of the Himalaya did, on occasion gather seeds of local plants and took back to the UK\u00a0in addition to introductions by formal expeditions.<\/div>\n
G.cerastioides<\/i> being common on mineral soils<\/span> in Kashmir @ 2400-3900m<\/span> could easily have been spotted by visitors.\u00a0 I have to say I personally did not pay much attention to this plant\u00a0during my visits to Kashmir in the 1980s.\u00a0 My attention was only drawn to it on the Rohtang in Himachal Pradesh by others.\u00a0\u00a0 Never found it especially ‘ornamental’ to my eye but “beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder”.<\/div>\n
As for other species of Gypsophila<\/i> in the Himalaya.\u00a0 Stewart lists 9 species from Pakistan and Kashmir, though most of these were from S.Pakistan or probably reduced to synonyms of existing species.\u00a0I have not checked.<\/div>\n
I am in agreement that G.sedifolia<\/i> is a completely different plant to G.cerastioides<\/i>.\u00a0 Dickore & Klimes list the former but not the latter, in their check-list for Ladakh (2005).
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It would be more accurate to say that G.sedifolia<\/i> is recorded from N.Pakistan (Chitral) and Ladakh (which is of course part of the Indian State of J&K but as the plant has no records for Kashmir Valley, this distinction is meaningful – the species appears very much one of the borderlands of<\/span><\/div>\n
Western Tibet).\u00a0 Stewart gives an altitudinal range of 2700-3900m.\u00a0Koelz collected it in Zanskar.<\/span><\/div>\n
You are right that Gypsophila <\/i>cerastioides<\/i> is the correct spelling. <\/span>The authors of ‘Flora of Lahaul-Spiti’ are incorrect is using G.cerastoides<\/i> –<\/span><\/div>\n
they found G.cerastioides<\/i> on moist slopes<\/span> at Gramphoo which sounds feasible as I have seen the plant on the Rohtang itself – it is unlikely that this species occurs in the drier parts of Lahaul.<\/span>
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But my query was more to do with whether the plant at the NYBG was firstly, definitely a Gypsophila<\/i> and then\u00a0not so much a different species originating in the Himalaya but if any other members of the genus from other parts of the world are of similar appearance to G.cerastioides<\/i>?\u00a0 And thus was the specimen at NYBG one of these?\u00a0‘The Plant List’ accepts 151 species for this genus – which makes it large and complicated!
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Stewart mentions G.paniculata<\/i> as a garden plant in Pakistan, which he knew as ‘Baby’s Breath’ (a native of Europe) widely used as a Florist plant – apparently widely cultivated in Peru.<\/span>
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When checking the identity of plants in the wild, one usually can limit the possibilities to those species previously recorded from the region concerned.\u00a0 I have found plants in cultivation to OFTEN be misidentified.\u00a0 In the case of specimens labelled as belonging to species which occur in the Himalaya, my informal research into examples from specialist nurseries, commercial seed companies, seed exchanges and even some botanic garden Index Semina, that AT LEAST 50% were misidentified.<\/span>
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Few keep good records of the provenance of introductions into cultivation (this applies to botanic gardens)\u00a0and rapidly (often within years, or\u00a0certainly after decades where the specimen originated is often lost).\u00a0I am not speaking of examples of hybridisation.<\/div>\n
With large genera with species from many different parts of the world, it can be difficult to work out the correct identification.\u00a0 Even when they are correctly identified, plants in cultivation do not always match its general appearance in the wild.\u00a0 This is particularly true of higher alpines, which IF they can be grown at all (many such species\u00a0represent a challenge to even the most skilled and dedicated growers), often not taking kindly to warmer, softer conditions at sea-level in another country, can end up not “true-to-type”, being “leggy and unattractive”.<\/div>\n
Take the genus Cremanthodium (found in the Himalaya and SW China) as an example.\u00a0 Most species have proven a challenge for more than a century.\u00a0\u00a0 The majority are virtually impossible to flower in the UK, whilst some growers in arctic Norway have succeeded with them – though I should add this is not just about low minimum temperatures; other considerations like day-length and light intensity may come into play?<\/div>\n
Attempts at “Ex-Situ” Conservation of higher alpine species in the Indian Himalaya are in most cases doomed to fail, if attempts are made to grow specimens dug up at say 3600-4000m\u00a0and then transported down thousands of feet to face comparatively high temperatures in a drier environment, which is the case for most botanic gardens.\u00a0\u00a0 Unless specialist, environment-controlled, ‘alpine-houses’ exist, with highly skilled “hands-on” horticulturists looking after them, said species stand little chance of surviving long.\u00a0\u00a0 And even if higher elevation ‘stations’ of botanical gardens are established it would be much better if attempts to grow them stemmed from seed, not digging up live plants.\u00a0 This would be more eco-friendly, especially if said species really were ‘Rare & Endangered’ and stand a greater chance of success, as in general, plants adapt better from seed.\u00a0\u00a0 In some cases, “cuttings” might fare better and one is living the parent plants alive.\u00a0\u00a0 Though, whichever propagation method is involved, skilled, dedicated horticulturalists are required to work at such ‘stations’.<\/div>\n
Bernard Coventry (author of ‘Wild Flowers of Kashmir’) rented a hut at Gulmarg (like many Britishers did) conducted trials on ‘alpine’ Kashmir species whilst Conservator of Forests – during late 1920s and early 1930s, successfully flowering quite a number.\u00a0 Few of these species would survive long in Srinagar.<\/div>\n
At the New York Botanic Garden (New York experiences seriously low winter temperatures and snow), they have a small traditional\u00a0‘alpine house’ which is not state-of-the-art environment-controlled but does have an alarm system in case the temperature rises above a certain point.\u00a0 New York experiences unpleasantly hot summers.<\/div>\n
I saw no Himalayan species from higher elevations growing in the New York Botanic Garden rockery.<\/div>\n
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In my mail I mentioned that- The plant here is a cultivated specimen and if the records of provenance are faithful (as I think they are) it should be G. cerastioides<\/i> only. I was referring to the original source of seeds which you have mentioned as Kullu area. So if the seeds were collected from Kullu are the species must be G.cerastioides<\/i> as no other similar species is known there.<\/p>\n

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I have checked my live images of Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i> from Apharwat Kashmir, as well as herbarium images from Apharwat, Pir Panjal, Mahadeo peak and Lidderwat. They are fairly uniform and match very well with above images from NYBG.<\/p>\n

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What a sorry state of affairs? It is pity on the managers of science, who mostly happen to be non scientists and bureaucrats. One who wants
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\nAttaching my photograph of Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>, clicked at Churdhar in May 2015.
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Thanks for contributing such wise comments.<\/div>\n
It MIGHT not be too late to salvage at least some of the pressed specimens languishing “behind-the-scenes” at the Urusvati Institute at Naggar, Kulu Valley.<\/div>\n
Just needs\u00a0those senior enough to\u00a0secure access (as I stated, I tried and failed three times) for someone able to assess the state of the specimens.<\/div>\n
It could be, even 80+ years later, that sufficient specimens remain in satisfactory condition to justify something being done with them.<\/div>\n
Clearly, a proportion will have been lost through rotting away and\/or insect infestation.\u00a0 Perhaps the vast majority but dried specimens last centuries under suitable conditions.\u00a0\u00a0The 19th Century pressed <\/span>specimens from India at Kew are still (mostly) in good condition.<\/span>
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And the hard, time-consuming work of IDENTIFICATION\u00a0has already been done by Dr R Stewart and others at Ann Arbor, University of Michigan Herbarium – which as I said, holds the BEST set of pressed specimens (with good field notes) of Kulu Valley and Lahaul specimens IN ANY HERBARIUM IN THE WORLD.\u00a0 Though the nomenclature of many specimens <\/span>will have to be brought up-to-date (as members see happening all-the-time on this site).<\/span>
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It would just be case of cross-referencing the collection numbers, then mounting, labelling and storing in cabinets. The specimens at Ann Arbor are a DUPLICATE SET of the ORIGINAL\/FIRST SET collected for Roerich’s Institute.<\/span>
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The big expense (not to mention time & effort & skill) of exploring in the mountains of Kulu Valley & Lahaul was undertaken in the 1930s.<\/div>\n
It really has been such a waste.<\/div>\n
The involvement of THAKUR RUP CHAND (from Lahaul’s leading family at that time) in the collections was significant – very much Chand &<\/div>\n
Koelz specimens, rather than just ‘Koelz’ specimens, not forgetting the considerable efforts of Wangyel and Rinchen Gialtsen<\/div>\n
(who I awarded posthumous Kohli Memorial Gold Medals to in 2009 see: https:\/\/sites.google.com\/a\/shpa.org.uk\/main\/kohli-memorial-gold-medals<\/span><\/a>).<\/div>\n
IF sufficient specimens remain, they could form the basis of a QUALITY reference HERBARIUM for the region – all housed in a great location.\u00a0 CONSIDERABLE sums are raised by the admission charge for the Roerich Art Gallery.\u00a0\u00a0 Surely, some of this could be spent on a project to FINALLY complete one of Roerich’s ORIGINAL objectives of having a REFERENCE collection of the region’s flora\u00a0which INDIA should be PROUD OF.<\/span>
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I am in an ideal position to assist any projects that may materialise.<\/span><\/div>\n
As for your photo – unfortunately it is not Cerastium cerastioides<\/i>. Probably a Stellaria<\/i>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Hope Stellaria latifolia<\/i><\/p>\n

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And sorry for the wrong upload. I remember, I have also clicked Gypsophila<\/i> at Churdhar with you, …\u00a0<\/span>I’ll check the collection again when the time permits.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Please check also for number of styles, should be 2 in S. latifolia<\/i>, occurs in dry habitats, Stellaria aquatica<\/i> now Myosoton aquaticum<\/i> looks very similar but has 5 styles and very common in wet situations.<\/p>\n

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Thank you, Sir. I’ll check for the characters suggested by you and report.<\/p>\n

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I may be having some good photographs.<\/p>\n

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SK314JAN11-2016:ID<\/a> : 8 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (4)<\/span><\/div>\n
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Location:\u00a0Kalinchowk, Dolakha, Nepal<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Cannot say beyond Caryophyllaceae<\/i>.<\/div>\n
I can only justify spending time attempting to identify species from Nepal belonging to genera I immediately recognise, especially those I am taking a special interest in.<\/div>\n
Otherwise, my main focus is on flora of the NW Himalaya\/Trans-Himalaya – more than enough to deal properly with such species.
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I am thinking about Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>…<\/p>\n

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Thank you for the ID … Gypsophila cerastioides<\/span>\u00a0<\/i>D. Don (accepted name)
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Herb for ID, Dalhousie, Himachal Pradesh, NAW-JUL17-04<\/a> : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3<\/span>)
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Pl. check with images at Gypsophila cerastoides<\/i> D.Don<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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Geranium sp ?<\/a> : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)<\/span><\/div>\n
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I do not think it is <\/span>Geranium<\/i>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i> very likely!<\/div>\n
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in the rocky crevices at Bhagsunag in Dharamshala HP- 25\/7\/08?;\u00a0 Manali- Near Vasishtha waterfalls- June’09?; from Kookar Nag to Sinthan Pass, Jammu & Kashmir- 08th August 2009;<\/span><\/td>\n<\/td>\n<\/td>\n<\/td>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

Fw: [indiantreepix:17732] Request for ID 080809 Sinthan Pass 3 – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a>
\nRequest for ID 080809 Sinthan Pass 3 – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a>
\nPLANT 79 SMP JUN 09 Manali – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a>
\nId Needed – indiantreepix | Google Groups<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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SK 3245 20 December 2021<\/a>: 4 very high res. images.<\/p>\n

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Date: 24 August 2021
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Acanthophyllum cerastioides<\/em>, Caryophyllaceae<\/em> (Gipsophila cerastioides<\/em>) to me.
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Acanthophyllum cerastioides<\/em> (D. Don) Madhani & Zarre
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Gypsophila cerastioides from Dalhousie-GS28022022-<\/a>: 7 very high res. images.
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SK 3621 20 August 2022<\/a>: 3 very high res. images.<\/p>\n

Location:\u00a0Humla, Simikot, \u00a0Nepal<\/span><\/div>\n
Altitude: \u00a03300m.<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 10 June 1022
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Gypsophila<\/em> sp.<\/p>\n

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Acanthophyllum cerastioides<\/em> (D. Don) Madhani & Zarre<\/p>\n

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ID Request- Herb enroute Dev Kyara- Uttarakhand- PKA12<\/a>: 2 images.
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Gypsophila cerastioides<\/em> D.Don<\/p>\n

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Acanthophyllum cerastioides (D.Don) Madhani & Zarre<\/a>: 6 high res. images.<\/p>\n
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Location:\u00a0Dhorpatan, Baglung, Nepal\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 31May 2023<\/span><\/div>\n
Elevation: 2900\u00a0m.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Habit : Wild<\/span><\/p>\n

Syn :\u00a0Gypsophila cerastioides\u00a0<\/i>D.Don<\/p>\n
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Yes,\u00a0Styles 2(or 3) as per\u00a0Flora of China<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n

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References:<\/div>\n
POWO<\/a> (Acanthophyllum cerastioides<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>(D.Don) Madhani & Zarre<\/small>) IPNI (Gypsophila cerastioides<\/i>\u00a0D.Don) The Plant List<\/span><\/a> (Gypsophila<\/i>\u00a0<\/span>cerastoides<\/i>\u00a0<\/span>D.Don<\/span><\/span><\/span>) <\/span>Flowers of India<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u00a0 <\/span>eFlora<\/u><\/span><\/a>\u00a0 <\/span>NPGS \/ GRIN<\/u><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
Himalayan Baby’s Breath<\/span><\/a>\u00a0<\/span>Gypsophila cerastioides – Google Image Search<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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