{"id":1403765,"date":"2012-02-05T08:46:29","date_gmt":"2012-02-05T08:46:29","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2024-12-24T18:45:17","modified_gmt":"2024-12-24T13:15:17","slug":"heracleum-pinnatum","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/heracleum-pinnatum\/","title":{"rendered":"Heracleum pinnatum"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Heracleum<\/i> pinnatum<\/i> C.B.Clarke,\u00a0\u00a0Fl. Brit. India 2: 712 1879<\/i>. ;
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Apiaceae sp for ID-111011-PKA1<\/a>:\u00a0\u00a03 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (<\/span>7<\/span>)<\/span><\/div>\n
Seen this herb (around 40 to 50cm tall)<\/span> at Turtuk, Ladakh.<\/span><\/div>\n
Looks like some Heracleum<\/i> sp.
\nFamily: Apiaceae<\/i>
\nDate\/Time: 18-09-2011 \/ 04:00PM
\nLocation: Turtuk, Ladakh
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I hope Heracleum pinnatum<\/i><\/p>\n

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It does look like Heracleum pinnatum<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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Apiaceae sp-??- at Nubra Valley – Ladakh– July-PKA-35<\/a> : 8 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (6)
\n<\/span>Apiaceae<\/i> sp. seen <\/span>at Nubra Valley…<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I guess it is Heracleum candicans<\/i>.<\/p>\n

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This should be Heracleum pinnatum<\/i>, common in Ladakh.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nSK109SEP20-1016:ID<\/a> :\u00a05 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)
\n<\/span>Sharing some pictures for ID shot <\/span>on the way to Khardung La at 12000 ft on 21 August 2016.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Please check Heracleum<\/i> species<\/p>\n

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Could not decide with\u00a0pubescent seeds.<\/p>\n

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I consider this also to be Heracleum pinnatum<\/i>.<\/u> see previous post about Heracleum<\/i><\/u> on way to Khardung La.<\/p>\n

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\nSK107SEP20-1016:ID<\/a> :\u00a05 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
\n<\/span>Sharing some pictures for ID shot <\/span>on the way to Khardung La at 12000 ft on 21 August 2016.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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I hope Heracleum candicans<\/i>, comparing with my herbarium specimens from Drass and above in 1970<\/p>\n

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I guess this is correct ID\u00a0Heracleum candicans<\/i><\/span>\u00a0Wall. ex DC<\/span>.
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This is\u00a0a member of what was known as the Umbelliferae<\/i> family, now Apiaceae<\/i>.<\/div>\n
A family that can present challenges identification-wise, sometimes requiring ripe\/mature fruits to be certain identification-wise.<\/div>\n
Definitely Heracelum<\/i><\/u> – known in UK as ‘Hogweeds’.<\/div>\n
Only 2 species recorded from Ladakh to-date (though always look closely, just in case your specimens do not match\u00a0descriptions well)\u00a0which makes things easier.<\/span>
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The choice therefore is between H.pinnatum<\/i><\/u> and H.candicans<\/i><\/u>. Stewart did not record H,candicans<\/i><\/u> from Ladakh (but from neighbouring Baltistan, so no surprise for it to be found in Ladakh). It is known through the hills of N.Pakistan and Kashmir from 2100-3300m.\u00a0\u00a0My team from the University of Southampton (UK)\u00a0collected\u00a0pressed specimens of both species in the Suru Valley in 1980, which were identified at Kew (a duplicate set of specimens went to the University of Kashmir herbarium). According to my un-published check-list for Ladakh (1980s) the collection of H.candicans<\/i><\/u> was new to Ladakh at that time.<\/div>\n
Members of the University of Southampton Expedition to Zanskar in 1981 found H.pinnatum<\/i> <\/u>to be frequent in dry, stony, exposed ground near Padum.\u00a0In 1980 we found the species amongst dry fragmented rocks on an E-facing mountainside with scattered grasses. We found H.candicans<\/i><\/u> on an E-facing slope beside an irrigation channel in sandy loam amongst Lotus corniculatus<\/i><\/u>, Astragalus<\/i><\/u> and grasses.<\/div>\n
Klimes found H.pinnatum<\/span><\/i><\/u><\/span> on stony river banks, screes, stony steppe and semi-desert slopes<\/span> but did not record H.candicans<\/i><\/u>.<\/div>\n
On this basis, H.pinnatum<\/i><\/u> is the most likely candidate for the images taken on the way to Khardung La.<\/div>\n
There are photos of both species in ‘Himalayan Plants Illustrated’ (Yoshioka, 2005) but the images do not allow one to distinguish between the species. They do not show close sufficient close-up detail.<\/div>\n
‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ describes both species but only has a photo of H.pinnatum<\/i><\/u> (taken in Zanskar). The authors say this species is common on field verges in Ladakh.<\/div>\n
The authors separate H.candicans<\/i><\/u> on the basis that it is a robust perennial 60cm or more (our specimen from\u00a0the Suru Valley was only to 40cm, so clearly this distinction is incorrect), in fact H.pinnatum<\/i><\/u> we collected\u00a0had example which were to 50cm, so taller!\u00a0Dimensions are at best, of limited value in plant identification. As H.candicans<\/i> <\/u>can reach 2m…. It is also distinguished by the white-felted undersides of its leaves.
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Its fruit is described as flattened obconic with broadly lateral wings.<\/span>\u00a0Whereas in H.pinnatum<\/i><\/u> the fruits are elliptic with winged dorsal ribs.<\/span><\/div>\n
Unfortunately the fruits shown are not fully mature.<\/div>\n
I do have a copy of the full ‘Flora of Pakistan’ revision of Apiaceae<\/i> (Umbelliferae<\/i>) but cannot locate it at this time – will take a close look in due course.
\nMy conclusion is that the images shared are most likely to be of Heracleum pinnatum<\/i><\/u><\/span>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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\nRequest for Plant ID from Paddar valley J&K 090712:<\/span><\/a>
\nKindly Identify this Plant<\/p>\n
Location: Paddar valley J&K<\/span><\/div>\n
Altitude: 2000 meters asl<\/span><\/div>\n
Date: 20th May 2012<\/span><\/div>\n
Habit\/habitat: Wild large erect herb
\n<\/span>Height: <\/span>0.5 meters<\/span><\/div>\n
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Looks like Heracleum<\/i> sp. probably H. candicans<\/i><\/p>\n

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Perhaps Heracleum canescens<\/i> should also be considered.<\/p>\n

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I was also thinking it as Heracleum canescens<\/i> but one of my earlier post confused me.<\/div>\n
Kindly have a look on the link<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
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I think it is H. canescens<\/i> only. H. candicans<\/span><\/i> has much larger thicker leaves, white beneath.<\/span> Here is my upload
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To me looks closer to images at Heracleum pinnatum<\/i><\/span> C.B.Clarke<\/span><\/a>\u00a0rather than those at Heracleum canescens<\/i><\/span> Lindl.<\/span><\/a><\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Heracleum pinnatum- Ladakh<\/a>: 18 high res. images.
\nAlong the roadside\u00a0on the Leh-Khardung La road before South\u00a0Pullu (15,300 ft) on 15.6.22<\/span> in\u00a0Ladakh.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nLadakh, August 2022 :: Heracleum pinnatum for validation :: ARK2022-151<\/a>: 3 high res. images.
\nThis was at Nubra, some kms away from Hundar, Ladakh in August 2022.<\/span>
\nI think it is Heracleum pinnatum<\/em>. Requested to please validate<\/p>\n

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Yes !
\nhttps:\/\/groups.google.com\/indiantreepix\/gg30Ke4a-G4<\/a><\/p>\n

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Yes, appears close to images at\u00a0Heracleum pinnatum<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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Yes H. pinnatum<\/em>,<\/p>\n
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Heracleum pinnatum C.B.Clarke,\u00a0\u00a0Fl. Brit. India 2: 712 1879. ; . Apiaceae sp for ID-111011-PKA1:\u00a0\u00a03 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7) Seen this herb (around 40 to 50cm tall) at Turtuk, Ladakh. Looks like some Heracleum sp. Family: Apiaceae Date\/Time: 18-09-2011 \/ 04:00PM Location: Turtuk, Ladakh Habitat: Wild Plant habit: Herb…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"ht-kb-category":[5805],"ht-kb-tag":[],"class_list":["post-1403765","ht_kb","type-ht_kb","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","ht_kb_category-heracleum"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb\/1403765","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/ht_kb"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1403765"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb\/1403765\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1403765"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"ht_kb_category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb-category?post=1403765"},{"taxonomy":"ht_kb_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/ht-kb-tag?post=1403765"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}