{"id":1409589,"date":"2018-08-24T09:03:01","date_gmt":"2018-08-24T09:03:01","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2025-03-28T11:03:41","modified_gmt":"2025-03-28T05:33:41","slug":"asystasia-chelonoides","status":"publish","type":"ht_kb","link":"https:\/\/efloraofindia.com\/efi\/asystasia-chelonoides\/","title":{"rendered":"Asystasia chelonoides"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Asystasia chelonoides <\/em>Nees, N.Wallich, Pl. Asiat. Rar. 3: 89 (1832)<\/em>;
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I think it will be\u00a0Ruellia ciliatiflora<\/a><\/em>\u00a0<\/span>as per images and references herein.<\/p>\n

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I agree with \u2026<\/p>\n

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May I request you to pl. confirm it as Ruellia<\/span>\u00a0ciliatiflora<\/span><\/a><\/em>\u00a0or otherwise.<\/p>\n

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May I request you to pl. send high resolution images to check more details, in view of doubts expressed by …<\/div>\n
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I also find leaves to be a bit different as per\u00a0GBIF<\/a>\u2013\u00a0specimen<\/a><\/p>\n

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This is not\u00a0Ruellia<\/span>\u00a0ciliatiflora<\/span><\/em>. I think it is probably a species of Asystasia<\/em> (note club-shaped capsule) but I can only see two stamens. It is not Asystasia gangetica<\/em> as far as I can see. Sorry not to be more definite.<\/p>\n

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After checking all species reported from India as per details at\u00a0Asystasia<\/a>,<\/em> I found only option is to go for\u00a0Asystasia nemorum<\/a><\/em>\u00a0as per\u00a0GBIF<\/a>–\u00a0specimen 1<\/a>,\u00a0specimen\u00a02<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0specimen\u00a03<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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I seek your kind help in the matter.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I guess it looks different from\u00a0Asystasia nemorum<\/a><\/em>\u00a0as well.<\/p>\n

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Could it be some Strobilanthus<\/em> species<\/p>\n

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Thanks, Lalithamba ji.<\/p>\n

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But Dr. Wood (Expert on Strobilanthes)<\/em> indicated it to be\u00a0Asystasia<\/em> species only.<\/p>\n

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Not Strobilanthes!<\/em><\/p>\n

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I too agree with … for Asystasia,<\/em><\/p>\n

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resembles Asystasia chelnoides<\/em>,<\/p>\n

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Thanks, …<\/p>\n

Asystasia chelonoides<\/em> may be possible as per POWO<\/a>, though\u00a0it gives its distribution only in\u00a0S. India, Sri Lanka.<\/span><\/div>\n
Also these images look different from existing images at\u00a0<\/span>Asystasia chelonoides<\/a><\/span><\/em><\/div>\n
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I am unable to solve this mystery.<\/p>\n

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Attaching three images of Asystasia gangetica<\/em> (Ganges Primerose<\/strong>\/ Creeping Foxglove<\/strong>)<\/p>\n

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Hoping it’s not gangetica,<\/em> …,<\/p>\n

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Could be dalzelliana,<\/em><\/p>\n

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You mean to say Asystasia dalzelliana<\/em> Santapau …<\/p>\n

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Maybe\u00a0Asystasia gangetica<\/em>\u00a0(L.) T.Anderson<\/a>\u00a0only as per comparative images at\u00a0<\/span>Asystasia<\/span><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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I think it will be\u00a0Ruellia ciliatiflora<\/a><\/em>\u00a0<\/span>as per images and references herein.<\/p>\n

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I think same as in\u00a0ASYSTASIA GANGETICA : MORE IMAGES<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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Acanthaceae Fortnight : Dipteracanthus prostratus : Uttarakhand : 31MAR15 : AK-49<\/a> : 17 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (3)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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This and my earlier post, both have been identified as being the same by \u2026<\/p>\n

In the earlier post, the flowers were single, where as there were many growing on one stem here.<\/div>\n
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Experts, kindly have a look.<\/p>\n

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How large are these flowers length total and width across the petals please<\/p>\n

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Member of\u00a0Bignoniaceae<\/i>,\u00a0Incarvillea arguta<\/i>\u00a0kindly check<\/p>\n

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Thanks for the suggested id.<\/div>\n
I checked for it, doesn\u2019t seem to match my pictures.
\nDipteracanthus prostratus<\/i>, identified by \u2026 should be the correct one, since he is familiar with the flora of that area.<\/div>\n
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I think \u2026 is one of our experts\u2019 experts.<\/div>\n
However, I would request \u2026 to check probability of\u00a0Ruellia ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0\u00a0Hook.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0The links that might provide information on the species are \u2013<\/div>\n
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  1. http:\/\/www.plantillustrations.org\/species.php?id_species=892828<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n
  2. http:\/\/www.botanicus.org\/page\/466430<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n
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    I am not an expert, and certainly not for Acanthaceae<\/i>. I may have suggested similarity with\u00a0D.prostratus<\/i>. In fact I have not seen\u00a0R.ciliatiflora<\/i>.
    \nAn image of Ruillia ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0can be seen\u00a0    here<\/span><\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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    Thank you very much … I admit I was wrong guessing probability of R. ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0Hook. My guess was based on b\/w illustration of\u00a0plantillustrations.org<\/span><\/a>\u00a0and a\u00a0herbarium<\/span><\/a>; where flowers are in leafless panicle.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

    But this species can not be\u00a0R. prostrata<\/i>\u00a0Poir. either; where flowers are solitary axillary and most importantly subtended by leaf like about 1 cm bracteoles.<\/div>\n
    If you have different version of description of\u00a0R. prostrata<\/i>\u00a0Poir. please share.<\/div>\n
    Similarly, probability of\u00a0other species like\u00a0beddomei<\/i>,\u00a0cernua<\/i>\u00a0etc can be skipped. In that case this species would be something other than\u00a0Ruellia<\/i>.<\/div>\n
    I am really sorry for making this thread resurface without taking proper precautions. I reiterate this is species is not\u00a0Ruellia prostrata<\/i>\u00a0Poir. unless there is entirely new version of the species documentation.<\/div>\n
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    The only other genus I can think of is\u00a0Asystasia<\/i>, I would have suggested\u00a0A. macrocarpa<\/i> Nees (as per BSI checklist) but leaves are much smaller in the attached pics.
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    This plant seems more closer to the ID suggested by \u2026 (R.ciliatiflora<\/i>) than the ID suggested by me (Dipteracanthus prostratus<\/i>) as it has terminal cluster of flowers than solitary axillary flower (as in\u00a0D.prostratus<\/i>). This species (R.ciliatiflora<\/i>) is known in Uttarakhand.
    \nThe link for picture of\u00a0R.ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0was added by me to further confirm the ID and not to rule out\u00a0R.ciliatiflora<\/i>. In the pics attached by \u2026 leaves are not visible.
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    Thank you very much Sir for the feedback. Unfortunately I do not think\u00a0R. ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0Hook. is viable. Because \u201cAnnals of the Missouri Botanical Garden, vol. 80: p. 811, fig. 11 (1993)\u201d clearly states that Curtis\u2019 coloured illustration is correct. It also informs\u00a0R. ciliatifolia<\/i>\u00a0Hook. is closely related to\u00a0R. nudiflora<\/i>\u00a0complex.\u00a0The species feature 10 mm calyx, 3.5-4.5 cm corolla<\/span><\/a>. I think \u2026 species has much smaller flower and doesn\u2019t look like a member of\u00a0R. nudiflora<\/i> complex.
    \nHowever, thank you very much for the discussion. At least now we have KEY and description of American\u00a0Ruellia<\/i>!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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    No, \u2026 i your plant is not\u00a0R. ciliatiflora<\/i>\u00a0as I have stated in my previous mail sent minutes ago. Now, I would stress on\u00a0Asystasia<\/i>. You can see your flower has the form of\u00a0A. gangetica<\/i>. Don\u2019t rely in google search of\u00a0Asystasia<\/i>. I spent quite some time on finding correct\u00a0Asystasia<\/i>\u00a0images of various species in the net. There is lots of mix-up over the net. What has been marked as\u00a0A. macrocarpa<\/i>\u00a0in certain flickr account has other wrongly identified species.\u00a0A. macrocarpa<\/i>\u00a0should be similar to\u00a0gangetica<\/i> I think.
    \nWe need to dig more to identify this particular species. Because, I do not know if any other genus, say\u00a0Strobilanthes<\/i> can have similar species.<\/p>\n

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    Maybe\u00a0R. ciliatiflora<\/b> Hook.\u00a0as per discussions at\u00a0Wild Flowers For ID : Uttarakhand : 140413 : AK-3<\/a>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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    Please id these mauve flowers seen\u00a0at Jim Corbett Waterfall on 24\/3\/13.<\/span><\/div>\n
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    Ruellia<\/i> sp?<\/p>\n

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    Ruellia<\/i> is what came to my mind too.<\/p>\n

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    even to me look like\u00a0Ruellia<\/i>, habit and leaf structure will help in correct id..<\/p>\n

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    Seems to me\u00a0Dipteracanthus prostratus<\/i>\u00a0(Acanthaceae<\/i>).<\/p>\n

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    Some feedbcak from\u00a0another post<\/span><\/a>:<\/div>\n
    \u201cThis and my earlier post, both have been identified as being the same by \u2026<\/div>\n
    In the earlier post, the flowers were single, where as there were many growing on one stem here.<\/div>\n
    Experts, kindly have a look.\u2026\u201d<\/div>\n
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    Ruellia prostrata<\/em> Poir. ??<\/p>\n

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    I think it looks different from\u00a0Ruellia prostrata<\/span><\/a>\u00a0as per images and details herein.<\/div>\n
    The Closest I can go is\u00a0Ruellia tuberosa<\/span><\/a>, but I am doubtful about this too, in view of only flowers and no leaves.<\/div>\n
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    Pl. see another image and discussions on the same plant\u00a0at\u00a0Acanthaceae Fortnight : Dipteracanthus prostratus : Uttarakhand : 31MAR15 : AK-49<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n
    I checked all species mentioned in\u00a0FLOWERING PLANTS OF INDIA, DICOTYLEDONS, Vol-I (Acanthaceae-Avicenniaceae)<\/u>\u00a0authored by S. Karthikeyan, M. Sanjappa and S. Moorthy and published by BSI, Kolkata in 2009, as available at\u00a0Ruellia<\/span><\/a>, in GBIF (specimens not available for\u00a0Ruellia malabarica\u00a0<\/i>Kostel.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0Ruellia cernua\u00a0<\/i>Roxb.<\/span><\/a>\u00a0\u00a0and\u00a0R. sivrajanii<\/b>\u00a0Sreedevi & Binojk.)<\/span><\/div>\n
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    https:\/\/www.gbif.org\/occurrence\/gallery?taxon_key=5576369<\/a><\/div>\n
    I think\u00a0R. ciliatiflora<\/b>\u00a0Hook. looks close as per\u00a0GBIF<\/a>–\u00a0specimen<\/a>.
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    Does it have\u00a0distribution in Uttarakhand? GBIF showing around\u00a0Gujrat only !<\/p>\n

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