Albizia odoratissima

Fwd: Tree ID Help please : 4 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2).
Date/Time – May 1st 2014
Location – Place, Altitude, GPS – Kengeri Hobli, Bangalore.
Habitat – Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type – Gated community but has a few wild species as Turahalli forest edge is nearby.
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb –   Tree.
Height/Length –  20-25 feet
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- Leaves similar to Tamarind. I don’t know the technical terms for leaves.
Inflorescence Type/ Size- Small Feathery fluffy-cotton type Flowers about 2.5 cm diameter, creamy white
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Pea Pod type but hard.
Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- Yes very attractive to bees and small birds.

It is our Holy tree Prosopis cinerea (L.) Druce, (= Prosopis spicigera): Khejri, loong, Banni (Kan)
Fam: Mimosceae

Albizia odoratissima perhaps

Thanks, …, Does not match with images of Caesalpinia violacea at http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/vrrc/?page=view&id=20087

Fabaceae-Mimosoideae (Mimosaceae) Week: Albizia odoratissima Pune:
Albizia odoratissima
Pune

Fabaceae-Mimosoideae (Mimosaceae) Week :: Albizia odoratissima at Kalambuli, Karnataka:
Albizia odoratissima (L.f.) Benth.
al-BIZ-ee-uh — named for Filipo del Albizzi, Florentine nobleman
oh-dor-uh-TISS-ee-muh — most fragrant

May 29, 2009 … along NH 4A near Kalambuli, Karnataka
commonly known as: black siris, Ceylon rosewood, fragrant albizia • names in Indian languages yet to compile
Native to: Bangladesh, China, India, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam
References: World Agroforestry Centre • RNGR • NPGS / GRIN
more views: May 29, 2009 … along NH 4A near Kalambuli, Karnataka

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If it is native to our part of the world… how come we know of only one such tree in Kolkata …. ???? I wonder…
what’s in its biology that makes it so rare?? does any one know?

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Agreed … Same is the case here in Pune. Only 2 trees known to me.

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yes isn’t that strange?
for a tree I have since discovered that the black siris … albizia with white, light yellow- green-white flowers… botanically a couple of different species (eg Albizia odoritissima, A. lebbeck and A. amara may be) are planted r for shade and nitrogen fixing abilities in Tea plantations … i.e. are not uncommon in planned plantings… yet in urban gardens its a rarity… or as street trees…. urban forestry seems to lack something nowadays…
I want to find a forestry department person/s who can tell me why?
We do seem to have some members of forest dept among our members, but I dont understand why they remain silent?
Would be lovely to hear their opinions.. or official reason why albizzia lebeck or odoritissima is not planted in urban environment?

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its common in moist deciduous forest,, here in Maharashtra and Gujarat its quite common..
threaten status can be decided on the field observations only.. that may keep changing after every few decades..
for e.g. after a field survey if someone found only a single tree in wild, suppose in 100 sq.km area, surely its rare for that area!!

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Yes … strict science methology is ok… and for papers one must adhere to it…
but for garden buffs like me.. whose exposure to trees in urban gardens or street plantings… absence of such a nice tree set is strange and distrubing… esp when we see plethora of peltoforum and delonix regia… both have colorful flowers no doubt and I have loved them in my youth, but the more I see their behaviour more I have developed a sense of my misplaced love….

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……, yes agreed with you, actually Forest Department 2-3 decades back started with Urban Forestry and planted the trees across the city every where in India with the fast growing species of trees and also used the same species for beautification and the exotic where easily available for them, that time they never knew and never thought about the lifespan of the tree in our environmental conditions, but yes i must say that now Forest Department are selecting the Native trees for plantation.. we live with hopes… lets see…

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I herewith uploaded the fruiting twigs of Albizia odoratissima from Hosur area, Krishnagiri Dt, Tamil nadu

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Thank you very much … for sharing photos of Albizia odoratissima fruits.

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The  identity is correct.

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Thank you very much … for validating the ID.

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Fabaceae-Mimosoideae (Mimosaceae) Week: Albizia chinensis Kudremukh:
Albizia chinensis
Kudremukh

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You need to check this one. Albizia chinensis never has less than 20 pairs of leaflets, her I count 15-16 pairs. Also leaflets are very narrow and very closely set.

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Pinnae 4-6 pairs; leaflets 6-15 pairs; leaflet broader than 6 mm is A. odoratissima.

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Query: Bengali name of Albizia odoratissima:
One of the names in Bengali for Albizia odoratissima is kakur siris. Online dictionaries have no word.
Would like to get kakur in Bangla script. Will be glad to know its meaning too.

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I do not know about Kakur, but i had heard a word Kakurbari meaning uncles residence.
If by chance Marathi and Bengali family are neighbors then problem comes, because in Marathi “Kaku” is Aunt and in Bengali “Kaku” is Uncle. So if some calls “Kaku” U do not know if he/she is calling Marathi Aunt or Bengali Uncle….

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I have tried to spell the words in bengali dialect.
কাকুর সিরিস
(Kakur) (Sirish)

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Many thanks … for name in Bangla script.
Lot of thanks to … too for this response: Kakur is Barking Deer in Bengali and this Albizia is associated with it.

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Albizia odoratissima – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Albizia odoratissima – efloraofindia | Google Groups
Albizia odoratissima – ??? ????? / ???? ????? – indiantreepix | Google Groups

I am a little disturbed. What is the aim of this site? That one goes out with a digital camera anywhere, snaps  pictures of a some flowers, trees or bushes, and uploads them to the site for identification? Is our site only an identification parade?
At the same time it would be interesting to know whether there were the same number of requests for identification before the advent of DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY?
Take the case of Albizia. Wikipedia lists not less than 171 varieties of albizia. In addition there were 34 varieties which have now been shifted to other trees. Choose any three varieties adn ask info on this site_ well is the site acting as a research assistant? I am sorry if I am saying something which may not be liked by many of our friends. But what is the objective of this site? i.d and i.d. and i.d.??
Incidentaly albizia procera is tall albizia, probably very common in India, but the more common probably is albizia lebbeck (Kala siris). Kala and Safed is because of the colour of the bark.
Albizzia julibrissin (var. mollis?) which is also known as albizia mollis (lal siris) is pink siris or Persian silk tree. This has the speciality of tolerating very cold weather as well.
Albizia mollis syn. albizia odoratissima var. mollis is Ceylon Rosewood.
I dont know why MOLLIS is a variety of both albizia julibrissin and and albizia odoretissima. Maybe because of sililarity of flowers or bark?
But my favourite is the raintree (Albizia saman) with pink powder puff flowers and a spreading lovely crown. Whenever I stayed at Panaji Circuit House, I used to stare at the lovely raintree which   they had at the back of the building. I dont know whether it still survives there.
Sory for my outburst again.

Several mails on Albizia appeared in the last few days. It is the flowering season of the Albizias, I would have liked to see some photographs, particularly to distinguish one from the other. Some of the species can be distiguished by the stem colour, but not always.
The common species which are found in India,

I think flowers of  A. labbek– the desi siris should be greenish & not pinkish as stated above.

This is a point which disturbs me over the time. In my village I was very much attached to a desi siris plant of huge size, which I identified as lebbek. In interior villages of Bengal, you find plants mainly with pink flowers. In Calcutta you may find a number of siris wth greenish white flowers, often identified as lebbek. I have some doubt about their  identity. I am attaching a lebbek photo from web site, showing pinkish flowers. My botanist friend from  Jharkhand informs they have a number of lebbek plants, all with pink flowers. However, the possibility can not be denied there may be two different vaieties of lebbek. To add confusion rain tree has also two flower types. Attachments (1)

Fabaceae – Mimosoideae – Bangalore – RA – Paraserianthes falcataria – Molucca Albizia Tree – White Albizia:

It looks very close to Albizia odoratissima. Would love to know the differences.
http://www.flutters.org/home/photogallery/index.php?level=picture&id=343

I looked at the descriptions in Pradip Krishen’s book and decided it as Molucca Albizia
Now looking at your link, I am confused a bit. Let me investigate further.

I am also agreed with … ID. This might be Albizia odoratissima.
WHY: The bark looks grey in images provided here, Leaflets, up to 13 pairs, seesile to subsessile, narrowly oblong, Flowers sessile, corolla white, pods purplish green to brown, seeds (looks 10-12).
Hence A.odoratissima.

In the last photograph three pairs of pinnae are clearly seen.

Sir all your observations are heading towards A. odoratissima.