Lactuca brunoniana (DC.) Wall. ex C.B.Clarke, (syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex C.B.Clarke) tuisl. ex Rech.f.; Prenanthes alliariifolia DC.; Prenanthes brunoniana Wall. ex DC.; Prenanthes hispidula DC.; Prenanthes raphanifolia DC.) as per Catalogue of Life;
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Himalayan Rattlesnake Root, Brown’s Rattlesnake Root;
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The inflorescence has numerous heads on a branched axis (panicle) and each head has 3-4 flowers (florets–structures with red base and white upper part. in fact they are ray florets).
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As per efi thread:

Flora Simlensis and Flora of Mussoorie describe only two species as per following Key
1. leaves ovate or triangular, not variable, heads few, solitary or subsolitary, on long stalks: P. violaefolia

2. leaves variable, heads many in terminal panicles: P brunoniana

 

from Flora Simlensis
Stems 1-6 ft heads numerous, panicled leaves of various shape: P brunoniana
stems 12-18 inch heads few solitary long stalked leaves always triangular: P violaefolia
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Description From Flora of Mussoorie

description of P. brononiana: herb, .3-2 mt, often diffuse, leaves very variable, alternate long petiolate, lanceolate or triangular, base cordate or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often 3 lobed or pinnatifid with variously cut and toothed lobes, heads ligulate, many in terminal panicles, flowers 3-5 in a head, purple or white, achenes not beaked, papus of hairs. flowers Oct-Nov, Dist. West Himalaya 1800-2700 mts
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from Flora Simlensis

Smooth or rough, sometimes glandular, especially on the inflorescence and nerves of the leaves, Stem 1-6ft, simple or branched, Stalks long or short, slender, naked or winged, their bases sometimes dilated or lobed:, blade 4-8 in or more, lanceolate or triangular, cordate or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often pinnatifid, with large or small, variously cut and toothed lobes. Heads 1/2-3/4 in long in a terminal panicle flowers 3-5 in a head, purple or white
FF- Aug- Sept.
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The plant (Chaetoseris hastata) looks similar in appearance to Prenanthes brunoniana but latter has only 3-5 florets in the head and achenes are not beaked;
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on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.); Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb73 for Id- JM – efloraofindia | Google Groups

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Asteraceae Fortnight Part 3-Ligulate heads (plus Misc.): Prenanthes brunoniana from Kashmir-GS-27 : Attachments (4). 1 post by 1 author. Prenanthes brunoniana photographed from University Botancal Garden Srinagar, Kashmir.

Can it be Prenanthes violaefolia Decne. as per images herein ?


In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)



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Wild Flowers for ID : 021011 : AK-3: Very tiny flowers taken along the roadside on the way back from Gulmarg to Srinagar,on the 11th of Sept,11.
I had seen bunches of some yellow flowers like Senecio….. so went to picture those and found these tiny flowers close by. Very difficult to locate from a distance.

Prenanthes sp., leaves needed for species identification


I found this picture with leaves.
Will this help in further identifying the wild flowers although picture is not too good.


Prenanthes brunoniana


This will also be Prenanthes violaefolia?


In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)



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please identify the another herb from valley of flowers. : 7 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (3)- 1 Mb each.

please identify the another herb from valley of flowers.

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I am supplementing the post with more images of what I think is same plant, recorded from VoF…

It was resolved to be from Asteraceae when I had posted on group, and further id could not be established..

It may be some species of Prenanthus (Asteraceae).


Pl. check with images at Lactuca brunoniana (DC.) Wall. ex C.B.Clarke 



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Asteraceae for ID ABSEP2016/47 : 8 posts by 4 authors. 4 images.
When I found this I thought it to be a Cicerbita or a Lactuca species but I cannot find a match. Please advise.

Above Mcleodganj, HP 2000m approx. 25 September 2016


I think Prenanthes sp.


Thank you again … A quick look at yours, … and … posts at efloraofindia suggests my plant to be P. violaefolia. But the FOI shows a very different plant under Lactuca violaefolia, which I had seen on my trek at 3200m and has leaves closer to those of violas. Please advise.


The suggestion of Prenanthes is sound (which some consider some of the species to be Lactuca).

Lactuca brunoniana (sy. Prenanthes brunoniana) is very common on forest borders or in thin forest @ 1200-3000m in Kashmir & parts of N.Pakistan and was common in woods at Shimla, so if it is the correct suggestion genus-wise, this is a good candidate but needs checking.


Pl. see comparative images with keys at Prenanthes
There is a lot of confusion in the keys as well as the postings.

Hope some throws more light to bring clarity to our images at Prenanthes


Similar to my specimen of Prenanthes brunoniana from Dalhousie…


Thank you … I am collecting more evidence for it but think we have the same plant.


I took more photos of plants at about 2000-2100m altitude. The leaves are very variable as can be seen in these photos. The flowers have three white ligules without any red at the base. The plants are much branched with numerous flower heads. These seem to confirm the P. brunoniana suggested by … Please advise.
I photographed plants with all leaves hastate/cordate but similar flowers at higher altitudes which I will post separately.

4 images.


Again Lactuca brunoniana (Syn. Prenanthes brunoniana, Cicerbita brunoniana)



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Asteraceae Fortnight Part 3-Ligulate heads (plus Misc.): Prenanthes violaefolia from Chakrata-GS-28 : Attachments (3). 1 post by 1 author.

Prenanthes volaefolia, differing from P. brunoniana in triangular slightly lobed leaves and single or few flower-heads on long stalk.

Photographed from Chakrata.


In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)



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Asteraceae Fortnight Part 3-Ligulate Heads: Prenanthes from Chakrata-NS 16 :  Attachments (7). 3 posts by 3 authors.

This one was shot from Chakrata area.. was lying in my collection as Prenanthes brunoniana… is this Prenanthes violaefolia as per … recent upload from the same area..


I hope Prenanthes violaefolia


In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)



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Flora of Chakrata: 30092011-BS-2:Asteraceae sp (may be Prenanthes sp) for id from Chakrata Kalsi road : Attachments (4). 5 posts by 3 authors.

Sharing pics of a Asteraceae herb about 1-1.5 feet high, lyrate leaves.
Dont have another pics to count florets etc
looks like Prenanthes sp
Can this be Prenanthes brunoniana

pls help


after alot of search i could find the following information

Prenanthes brunoniana Wall. ex DC. is an unresolved name as per theplantlist.org

FOI considers Cicerbita brunoniana, Lactuca brunoniana, Prenanthes hispidula as Synonyms

The plant list consider Lactuca brunoniana Wall. ex C.B.Clarke is an unresolved name
The only accepted Name is Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex C.B.Clarke) Rech.f. is an accepted name
Flora Simlensis and Flora of Muscsoorie describe only two species as per following Key
1. leaves ovate or triangular, not variable, heads few, solitary or subsolitary, on long stalks: P. violaefolia
2. leaves variable, heads many in terminal panicles: P brunoniana
Description From Flora of Mussoorie
description of P brononiana: herb, .3-2 mt, often diffuse, leaves very variable, , alternate long petiolate, lanceolate or triangular, base cordate or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often 3 lobed or pinnatifid with variously cut and toothed lobes, heads ligulate, many in terminal panicles, , flowers 3-5 in a head, purple or white, achenes not beaked, papus of hairs. flowers Oct-Nov, Dist. West Himalaya 1800-2700 mts
from flora simlensis
Stems 1-6 ft heads numerous, panicled leaves of various shape: P brunoniana
stems 12-18 inch heads few solitary long stalked leaves always triangular: P violaefolia
Smooth or rough, sometimes glandular, especially on the inflorescence and nerves of the leaves, Stem 1-6ft, simple or branched, Stalks long or short, slender, naked or winged, their bases sometimes dilated or lobed:, blade 4-8 in or more, lanceolate or triangular, cordate or truncate, toothed or sinuate, often pinnatifid, with large or small, variously cut and toothed lobes. Heads 1/2-3/4 in long in a terminal panicle flowers 3-5 in a head, purple or white
FF- aug sept
note This sp has the aspect of Lactuca hastata but the heads are 3-5 instead of 10-30 flowered and achenes are without a beak
as … said it can be B sikkimensis, i could not find much information except a pic which i am attaching here. In both above said floras only 2 sp are described.
As i can understand the highly variable nature of P brunoniana or rightly said Cicerbita brunoniana may be in Unresolved list
From the above description our plant may be C brunoniana including the plant of … in following thread
[efloraofindia:55286] Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb73 for Id- JM
And also the plant of …[efloraofindia:83787] Kalatope id al260911a

The only thing worrying me is that P. brunoniana is generally a taller plant and there are numerous heads forming a panicle. Here we have few heads like in P. violaefolia. Please compare with image appended by you. The leaves, however, do not match P. violaefolia. I am uploading my herbarium sheets of two for comparison.


Sir Confusing situation

Is this a new species of Preannthes means Cicerbita

It does not match well with both herbarium Specimen


It looks me Prenanthus brunoniana


It should be Prenanthes violaefolia Decne. as per images herein

In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)



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Flora of Himachal Pradesh: Cicerbita brunoniana from Shimla : Attachments (5). 3 posts by 2 authors.

Cicerbita brunoniana from Shimla

Pls Validate


efi page on Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)


It should be Prenanthes violaefolia Decne. as per images herein


In view of the recent post by … & Id & keys by … of Prenanthes violifolia (along with discussions in a recent post), I am more inclined to take this as Prenanthes brunoniana (Syn: Cicerbita brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) Tuisl ex Rech. f.)


Yes, sir. Prenanthes brunoniana (now Lactuca brunoniana)



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Kalatope id al260911a:  A beautiful flower, for which I have been waiting since last year (because my photos were not too good earlier)

Location Kalatope, Chamba
Altitude 2100 mts
Habit herb
Habitat wild
Height 30 inches
season Sept-Oct

May be Prenanthes sp., please mention plant height, number of heads in an inflorescence to conclude further.


Did not think of counting them at that time sir… but looking at the images there are generally about 3-4 flowers together.. the height of the plant was as mentioned earlier about 30 inches (give or take a few inches)


I can count several heads in this photograph. I think Prenanthes brunoniana now considered synonym of Lactuca brunoniana


Agreed Sir


yes I counted today 3-4 in each bunch and each branch had 13-14 flowers …


your counting is not appropriate. The inflorescence has numerous heads on a branched axis (panicle) and each head has 3-4 flowers (florets–structures with red base and white upper part. in fact they are ray florets).


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VOF Week: Prenanthes brunoniana ?? at VoF: Tall Erect herb seen at VoF.
I think this is Prenanthes brunoniana?? (Family: Asteraceae).
Date/Time: 08-08-2012 / 09:55AM


Any lower leaves please??


Great find! Does look like Prenanthes brunoniana, but one can’t be sure without seeing the lower leaves, as … suggested.


I think yes after seeing upload by …



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Prenanthes brunoniana from Valley


This much taller herb (compared to my last upload from Chakrata) was shot from the Valley of Flowers, August 2012 tour…

hope this is Prenanthes brunoniana.. please validate/correct..


It looks me Prenanthes brunoniana.



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Prenanthes sp.? ABOCT2016/05 : 3 posts by 2 authors. 9 images.

These plants have cordate/ hastate leaves with winged stalks and with only a little variation in leaf shape, but the flowers are similar to the other Prenanthes I posted here before. Please advise.
Mcleodganj-Triund, Dharamshala, HP
2700m approx.

01 October 2016


Lactuca brunoniana (Syn. Prenanthes brunoniana, Cicerbita brunoniana)


VOF Week: Herb for id from Valley of Flowers:  This one is I think similar observation as … have
uploaded….yet to be resolved..I am uploading mine pics..hope to get ideas..


Yes …, all aspects are ditto.


Perhaps an example of (if it turns out true) how better and well illustrated photographs help in identification.

I hope Prenanthes violaefolia.
My herbarium from Kashmir

… would like to know what are two structures that we see.
Am I mistaking the pinkish to be flowers, and the green to be fruits ?


Green is the flower bud. The pink ones are bracts.


On further consideration I think there is some thing wrong with the above identification, as also identification of my Herbarium specimen from Kashmir. The leaves are different from true Prenanthes violaefolia (now Cicerbita violaefolia).

The search is still on for true ID


Yes, … On seeing Prenanthes violaefolia at FOI, I got the feeling it could not be ID of this plant.


If the buds are Ok, it may be Prenanthes brunoniana as the leaves are highly variable & match with the leaves posted by Ashwini ji on 8.10.16 in another thread.


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Sharing these pics from valley of flowers.. please help to id..
as the flowers are not open, seems difficult to reach to any conclusion..
early feedback was Prenanthes violaefolia ..

please share your opinion..


Prenanthes species in efi   


If the buds are Ok, it may be Prenanthes brunoniana as the leaves are highly variable & match with the leaves posted by … on 8.10.16 in another thread.



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Lactuca brunoniana AT OCT2016/03: 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
Lactuca brunoniana
Synonyms: Prenanthes brunoniana, Cicerbita brunoniana
Nov., 2015
Shimla Water Catchment Researve Forest & Wildlife Sanctuary


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SK124OCT03-2016:ID : 7 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)

Sharing some pictures for ID shot at Chandragiri Hill Kathmandu on 19 September 2016 at 8200 ft.


Appears like Prenanthes species (pl. check comparative images).


Does not seem match with any of two Prenanthes recorded in Nepal as per the link and book
However, I guess it is Prenanthes as suggested by you.

Need help from experts.


I think it should be Prenanthes brunoniana as per keys in another thread.


Thank you … I guess flower and stamen colors may vary.


The accepted name is Lactuca brunoniana (DC.) Wall. ex C.B.Clarke ??
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3


Accepted ID is Melanoseris brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) N.Kilian & Ze H.Wang !


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For sharing. Saw this Lactuca brunoniana in the Valley of flowers, Uttarakhand in Aug 2018.

 


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Plant from Shimla, H.P : 8 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)

Please help me to identify this plant
Plant from Shimla district, Himachal Pradesh. Elevation approximately 3000 MTR.
Growing wild. Blooming in 17 September 19


Thanks and Welcome, …  I know the plant quite well, but unable to recall the id, right now. Appears to be from Asteraceae.


Lactuca brunoniana (DC.) Wall. ex C.B.Clarke


Thank you for your help. In my image the flower only has three petals but the species suggested by you has more than three petals as per Flowers of India and other internet images. Kindly guide


Pl. check with observations at

Prenanthes brunoniana in FOI : 3 posts by 2 authors.

Images of Prenanthes brunoniana in FOI are actually of Lactuca violifolia and not of Lactuca brunoniana as per keys and details herein.
Pl. correct.


Thanks …!

Actually two plants are mixed up on that page. Second picture is of Lactuca violifolia. Lactuca violifolia is a much smaller plant, only a foot tall or so, contrasting to a meter tall Lactuca brunoniana.


Yes. OK now.



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Melanoseris brunoniana (Wall. ex DC.) N.Kilian & Ze H.Wang : 10 posts by 1 author. 11 images- 7 mb each.
Location: Kathmandu Valley
Date:  October 2020 
Elevation: 2800m.
Habitat  : Wild
Syn : Prenanthes brunoniana Wall. ex DC.

 



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VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0142 :: lax-raceme herb at Valley of Flowers: 2 AUG 12
Valley of Flowers about 11000 – 12000 ft
Habitat: sloping meadow
Habit: sub erect herb, about 1 m high; flower about 3 – 4 mm across


A raceme is a raceme if the flowers on the raceme are not sessile but stalked. If the flowers are sessile then it is called Spike, like the case above.


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Habitat: along forest trail on mountain slope
Habit: herb, about 70 -80 cm high; flower about 2 – 3 mm across


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VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0305 :: another plant with terminal lax raceme at Valley of Flowers:  2 AUG 12
Valley of Flowers about 9900 ft

Habitat: along forest trail on mountain slope
Habit: herb, about 1 m high; flower about 2 – 3 mm across


Another interesting elusive plant.


I think Lactuca brunoniana as per images and details herein. 


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