Rubus niveus Thunb., Rubo 9, f. 3 9 1813. (syn. Dyctisperma lasiocarpus Rafin.; Rubus albescens Roxb.; Rubus bijugus Focke; Rubus bonatii H. Lév.; Rubus boudieri H. Lév.; Rubus distans D. Don; Rubus donianus Spreng.; Rubus foliolosus D. Don; Rubus foliolosus var. incanus (Sasaki ex T. S. Liu & T. Y. Yang) S. S. Ying; Rubus foliolosus var. racemosus (Hook. fil.) B. D. Naithani; Rubus furfuraceus Wall.; Rubus godongensis Y. Gu & W.L. Li; Rubus horsfieldii Miq.; Rubus incanus Sasaki ex Y.C. Liu & Yang; Rubus indicus Heyne ex Wall. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus ischelus Buch.-Ham. ex Hook. fil.; Rubus lasiocarpus Sm.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. ectenothyrsus Cardot; Rubus lasiocarpus var. membranaceus Hook. fil.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. micranthus (D. Don) Hook. f.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. pauciflorus (Wall.) Hook. fil.; Rubus longifolius Wall.; Rubus longistylus H. Lév.; Rubus micranthus D. Don; Rubus microphyllus D. Don (ambiguous synonym); Rubus mysorensis F. Heyne; Rubus niveus var. horsfieldii (Miq.) Focke; Rubus niveus var. micranthus (D. Don) H. Hara; Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus (Wall. ex Lindl.) D. B. Deb; Rubus niveus var. pedunculosus (D. Don) Hook. fil.; Rubus parvifolius Sm. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus pauciflorus Wall. ex Lindl. (ambiguous synonym); Rubus pedunculatus Steud.; Rubus pinnatus D. Don; Rubus pyi H. Lév.; Rubus rosaeflorus Roxb.; Rubus rotundifolius Royle (ambiguous synonym); Rubus roylei Kl.; Rubus tongchouanensis H. Lév.);
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Mysore Raspberry, Ceylon Raspberry, Hill Raspberry; काला हिसालू Kala hinsalu; huftoo, kale hinure (Himachal Pradesh); kala hinsalu, kali anchhi (Hindi); kandiari, kharmuch, surganch, oche (Kashmir); kalawar, kalahisalu (Kumaon); kalo aselu (Nepal); gunacha, kandiara (Punjab);
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Common name: Mysore Raspberry, Snowpeaks Raspberry, Ceylon Raspberry, Hill Raspberry • Hindi: काला हिसालू, Kala hinsalu, Khre, anchu, badrakhan • Kannada: Gomulli, Mulli • Khasi: Dieng soh khawiong • Manipuri: হৈজামপেত Heijampet • Marathi: गौरीफल Gowriphal
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A large spreading shrub distinguished from other species of Rubus by its pinnate compound leaves with usually 5-11 leaflets and pink flowers; stem and branches sometimes turning purplish, slightly hairy; leaflets elliptic, ovate to ovate-lanceolate, toothed, terminal often larger and lobed, upper surface green, lower white hairy; flowers 9-12 mm across in panicles; calyx hairy, petals pink slightly shorter to almost as long as calyx lobes; fruit initially pink finally maturing to black and glaucous.

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Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus niveus from Kashmir-GSSEP98 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (3)

Rubus niveus Thunb., ; Diss. Rubo. 7 & 9, f. 3 (1813).
syn: Rubus lasiocarpus Sm.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. pauciflorus (Wall.) Hook. f.; Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus (Wall. ex Lindl.) Focke
Common names: Hill raspberry, Mysore raspberry
Rambling shrub easily distinguished by its pinnate compound leaves; young shoots tomentose; prickles hooked; leaflets 5-7, elliptic-ovate, 3-6 cm long, corsely serrate, acute; flowers small rosy-purple, in paniculate clusters; fruit yellow when young, purple when ripe.
Common in Kashmir in forest openings,
photographed from Dachhigam, Baramulla and Shankeracharya hill in Kashmir


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Name: Rubus niveus Thunb.
Family: Rosaceae
Date: 15 May 2011
Place: Sirumalai hills, Dindigula dist, TN
Alt: c 1600 M ASL

Previously known as R. lasiocarpus (in FBI and older Floras)


beauty both flower and fruits


A round orange berry known in North India as Khushbari or Rasbhari comes to the market in winter. What is its common name as well as well as botanical?


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Rosaceae Week: Rubus niveus from Kashmir:  Rubus niveus Thunb., ; Diss. Rubo. 7 & 9, f. 3 (1813).
syn: Rubus lasiocarpus Sm.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. pauciflorus (Wall.) Hook. f.; Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus (Wall. ex Lindl.) Focke

Common names: Hill raspberry, Mysore raspberry
Rambling shrub easily distinguished by its pinnate compound leaves; young shoots tomentose; prickles hooked; leaflets 5-7, elliptic-ovate, 3-6 cm long, corsely serrate, acute; flowers small rosy-purple, in paniculate clusters; fruit yellow when young, purple when ripe.
Common in Kashmir in forest openings,
photographed from Dachhigam, Baramulla and Shankeracharya hill in Kashmir


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Rubus niveus from Nainital and Kashmir: Rubus niveus Thunb., Rubo 9, f. 3 9, 1813

syn: Rubus lasiocarpus Smith; R. foliosus D. Don
A large spreading shrub distinguished from other species of Rubus by its pinnate compound leaves with usually 5-11 leaflets and pink flowers; stem and branches sometimes turning purplish, slightly hairy; leaflets elliptic, ovate to ovate-lanceolate, toothed, terminal often larger and lobed, upper surface green, lower white hairy; flowers 9-12 mm across in panicles; calyx hairy, petals pink slightly shorter to almost as long as calyx lobes; fruit initially pink finally maturing to black and glaucous.

Photographed from Nainital in April in flower and Kashmir in July in Fruit.


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Fwd: Identification of Rubus Species : Attachments (2). 2 posts by 2 authors. Sir, I have collected one species, I think it is member of family Rosaceae. Genus Rubus species, I am not reach upto the species. Please guide me in this regards.


Looks like Rubus niveus


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Fwd: Identification of Rubus species from Jalgaon Maharashtra :  Attachments (2). 3 posts by 3 authors. Please someone help … to Id the species. This plant is not familier (I am not able to make it from the picture) to me, it seems.


Close to Rubus niveus but not sure.


One must put the place and date of finding a new plant for ID. This seems from a hill station and … ID is correct as Rubus niveus. This is the plant found wild at high altitudes in W. ghats and is also cultivated at hill stations as Raspberry


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ANJUN35/36 Rubus niveus Thunb. (Churdhar Trip 35) : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)

Family: Rosaceae
Date: May 2015
Place: Renuka Ji-Haripurdhar Route, Himachal Pradesh

Habit: Shrub
Altitude: 1200-1400 metres above sea level


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Rubus Species seen in a cultivated garden during July.


I hope Rubus ellipticus

Thanks for the id.
This is the Yellow Himalayan Raspberry?

The ripe fruits, not clearly seen were dark purplish in color.


Does not look like Rubus ellipticus, I think this is more likely to be Rubus niveus


Thanks for your feedback.
Your suggested id looks more like my pictures, on searching.
Another similar one seen in Kenya, which I forgot to post earlier, will post today.

It could be Rubus niveus.



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Rubus Species For ID : Kenya : 10AUG15 : AK-18 : 18/18 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)

Rubus Species seen in Nairobi during my visit.

I missed posting these earlier.

My recent post from Mahabaleshwar reminded me of these pictures.


I think this is Rubus niveus


Thanks for the id.



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Rubus niveus Thunb.

at Manali on June 3, 2008



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Rubus niveus Thunb.
Many thanks to … for the ID in my photostream at flickr.

(cultivated) at Mahabaleshwar on April 18, 2015


Nice photo again! But these images I think belong to Rubus lasiocarpus or its variety (I will confim later). Pl. find type image of R. niveus below and match your images (Wallichian specimen from Nepal no. 734).

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Thank you very much … for validating this ID.

I went by the general knowledge that the extensively cultivated Rubus for its edible fruits is R. niveus. The fact must be incorrect OR there could be more than one species of Rubus that is cultivated. Will wait for your confirmation.


Both as per GRIN as well as per The Plant List,  Rubus lasiocarpus Sm. is a synonym of Rubus niveus Thunb.


Thanks … for this information. I had not checked on it.

Yet, the Plants List is not fully confident about this synonymy, so hoping … comments and helps us with clarity.


Yes Rubus lasiocarpus of FBI is now R. niveus Thunb., characterised by pinnate leaves with more than 3 leaflets

Rubus niveus Wall featured in FBI has now different varieties upgraded as different species all with trifoliate leaves, commonest is R. hypagyrus uploaded by me.


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Reposting under Family Fortnight.

Rubus Species seen in Nairobi, Kenya.

Rubus niveus suggested by …


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Reposting under Family Fortnight.

Rubus ellipticus suggested by …
Rubus niveus suggested by …
For validation please.


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Rubus niveus Thunb., ; Diss. Rubo. 7 & 9, f. 3 (1813).
syn: Rubus lasiocarpus Sm.; Rubus lasiocarpus var. pauciflorus (Wall.) Hook. f.; Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus (Wall. ex Lindl.) Focke
Photographed from along Chopta Mandal Road, Uttarakhand


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Rubus niveus (?)


Yes it is R.niveus.


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Rubus lasiocarpus (?).


efi page on Rubus niveus (syn; Rubus lasiocarpus Sm.).

Also one Rubus lasiocarpus W.C.R.Watson is a synonym of Rubus dasycoccus W.C.R.Watson 


yes it seems like R. lasiocarpus which is a synonm of R. niveus



Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus from Kashmir, very common at lower altitudes, often along fences and among shrubs and trees. Photographed from Shankeracharya hill on June 22 and Mohra near Uri on June 24, 2010.


Fruits & Vegetables Week: Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus, the hill raspberry: A common woody straggler of Western Himalayas, fruits eaten fresh or used as jam.


thanks sir Ji I actually came to know about food value of some plant which i always considered as weeds


-If I am not wrong then the fruits turn black when they ripe..



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-I hope even this plant is Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus this was clicked at
Location: Village Pali, (Yamuna valley), Uttarkashi Dist, Uttarakhand
Date:      June 18, 2008

This is what I had mention in my last post as in Uttarakhand or at least in Uttarkashi Dist, this plant is known as “Kali Hisar” locally and fruits are edible when they fully ripe – turning black.
Flowers are pinkish, unfortunately I do not pic of flowers to share with you all.
2 images.

-Yes .. This plant is very distinct in pinnate rose-like leaves and was earlier known as R. lasiocarpus.



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Fwd: SK9APR5-2016:ID : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)

Requesting for ID.
Is this Rubus niveus ?


Yes, it is Rubus niveus.



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Rubus sp. for ID ABJUL01/17 : 4 posts by 3 authors. 4 images.

I went for a walk higher up in the mountains and found this Rubus species on the way back. The raspberries were very delicious. Please help identify it.
Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP
2100m

09 July 2016


Very tempting!!!


They are very delicious!


Rubus niveus



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Request for ID 5 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)- 4 MB.

Place: Bombay Shola, Kodaikanal, Tamil Nadu

Date: 20/01/18

I think difficult to id with such images.

Rubus niveus, if the jig saw puzzle is to be solved from just one piece.



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Lava, north bengal, Oct08; PLANT FOR ID 51 SMP JUN 06 – indiantreepix | Google Groups

 
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Rubus niveus Thunb. : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8)- around 800 kb each.
Location:  Nagarkot, Nepal  
Date: 2 April 2018
Altitude: 6600 ft.
Habit: Wild

Yes, very soothing images, with required details…


This may also be Rubus pedunculosus or some other species as in your another thread: Fwd: SK9APR5-2016:ID- Rubus niveus Thunb. or Rubus macilentus Cambess.


I also think it as Rubus pediculosis


I agree with … id as Rubus foliolosus var racemosus as per keys in Flora of Chamoli (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.) as these images look different from those at Rubus pedunculosus


It looks most close to Rubus foliolosus var racemosus…need to check closely. 


Rubus in flora of Chamoli. 

1 image.


Thanks, …
Here is the key for genus Rubus from Flora Simlensis as per efi thread :
Flowers white
Leaves simple, lobed…………………………………………………………………………R. paniculatus Smith
Leaves compound
Lower surface of leaflets green, glabrous…………………………………………R. macilentus Camb.
Lower surface of leaflets gray- or white-tomentose
Stem and branches shaggy, with long tawny bristles…………………….R. ellipticus Smith
Stem and branches glabrous, covered with white bloom……………….
R. biflorus
Flowers Pink, leaves compound
Leaflets 3, rarely 5; calyx lobes long pointed; druplets pink…………………….R. niveus Wall (now correctly known as R. pedunculosus D. Don)
Leaflets 5-11, calyx lobes acute; drupelets black…………………………………..R. lasiocarpus Smith (now correctly known as R. niveus Thunb.)


Looks matching, however,  enclosing some links for comparison and final validation.

I think it needs more discussion on R.niveus. Most lieterature states R.niveus with leaflets 5-7, which may hv 3 in terminal leaves but not consistently 3 all over.


I agree with … id as Rubus foliolosus var racemosus as per keys in Flora of Chamoli (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.) as these images look different from those at Rubus pedunculosus



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Rubus niveus Thunb. (accepted name)
Location: Nagarkot, Nepal
Date : 31 March 2017
Altitude : 6800 ft.
Nepali Names : रातो ऐंसेलु Raato Aenselu / कालो ऐंसेलु Kaalo Aenselu  

I am a bit skeptical about the ID.  Are the both posts from same ID?
I guess the later post look like Rubus macilentus Cambess. (accepted name).
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200011488

efi page on Rubus macilentus


Does not seem to match with … images at Rubus macilentus


efi pages on Rubus niveus & Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus with images


Last image may be of some other species from different plant.
To me appears close to images at Rubus nepalensis except for the colour of the flowers.
The flowers on this particular plant are a hermaphrodite, meaning it has both female and male flowers as per Wikipedia 
Pl. check flower colours, if such details are available in your literature. I am unable to find these.  

Yes the last image looks different but it is definitely not the R. nepalensis since it is hardy shrub and R. nepalensis is soft stem runner.
I checked with the EFN description and looks like matches with R.niveus. Could you please look into this once again?

Not R.niveus as per:
Here is the key for genus Rubus from Flora Simlensis as per efi thread :
Flowers white
Leaves simple, lobed…….R. paniculatus Smith
Leaves compound
Lower surface of leaflets green, glabrous…….R. macilentus Camb.
Lower surface of leaflets gray- or white-tomentose
Stem and branches shaggy, with long tawny bristles……R. ellipticus Smith
Stem and branches glabrous, covered with white bloom……
R. biflorus
Flowers Pink, leaves compound
Leaflets 3, rarely 5; calyx lobes long pointed; druplets pink……R. niveus Wall (now correctly known as R. pedunculosus D. Don)
Leaflets 5-11, calyx lobes acute; drupelets black…..R. lasiocarpus Smith (now correctly known as R. niveus Thunb.)

May be Rubus pedunculosus as per Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus hypagyrus from Chopta Mandal Road in Uttarakhand Pl. validate-GSSEP103/103 or some other species.


Looks correct as suggested. Rubus pedunculosus D.Don


This may also be Rubus foliolosus var racemosus (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.) as per keys in Flora of Chamoli as suggested by … in another thread: Rubus niveus Thunb. as these images look different from those at Rubus pedunculosus


Rubus hypagyrus Edgew. photographed from along Chopta Mandal Road, please validate


Trifoliate leaves indicate R.hypargyrus Edgew. which is now Rubus pedunculosus D.Don.

Matches with: Herbcat


Thanks a lot … for latest name.


Yes, it is Rubus pedunculosus D.Don (accepted name).  R. hypargyrus var. niveus (Wall. ex G.Don) Hara is one of its synonyms.


This may also be Rubus foliolosus var racemosus (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.) as per keys in Flora of Chamoli as suggested by … in another thread: Rubus niveus Thunb. as these images look different from those at Rubus pedunculosus



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Rubus sp. ATJUNE2016/31 : 8 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Kindly identify this Rubus species
Shimla
July 2015


Tempting. Is it also eatable ?


Yes, … It is next only to Rubus ellipticus. Second best.


What about Rubus fruticosus?


Ripe fruits of R. fruticosus are black in colour.


Rubus species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available on net) 


Can it be Rubus foliolosum???


I think does not match with images at

May be Rubus pedunculosus as per images and details herein.

Pl. check.


I think finally it should be Rubus niveus as per details and images herein as per
Flowers Pink or red:
   Leaflets 3.
        Large rambling shrubs: flowers solitary or in pairs … Rubus foliolosus D. Don (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.)
        Low procumbent shrubs; flowers in short terminal racemes … Rubus foliolosus var. racemosus (Hook.f.) B.D. Naithani (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.)

   Leaflets 5-7, upper sometimes with 3 leaflets … Rubus niveus Thun.


Thank you for the key to species.
According to this, it should be R. niveus.

However, these plants are quite different in leaf shape, leaflet number, inflorescence and  fruit morphology and taste.


Thanks, … That is why they have been kept separately in Flora of Chamoli.


Yes, …


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Bush for ID, Dalhousie, Himachal Pradesh NAW-SEP17-03 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (5)

Kindly indentify this spiny bush photographed in May 2017 along the roadsides in Dalhousie, Himachal Pradesh.


I think rosaceae. May be some Rubus species. 


I agree with … Rubus sp. almost certainly, R. pedunculosus likely but the leaves don’t look densely woolly below.


Pl. check with images at

I am not sure.


I think finally it should be Rubus niveus as per details and images herein as per
Flowers Pink or red:
   Leaflets 3.
        Large rambling shrubs: flowers solitary or in pairs … Rubus foliolosus D. Don (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.)
        Low procumbent shrubs; flowers in short terminal racemes … Rubus foliolosus var. racemosus (Hook.f.) B.D. Naithani (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.)

   Leaflets 5-7, upper sometimes with 3 leaflets … Rubus niveus Thun.


FoC:

Leaves imparipinnate, (5–)7–9(–11)-foliolate

Abaxially gray tomentose



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SK1298 18 JUL 2018 (mixed thread): 17 posts by 3 authors. correct Attachments (6)- around 800 kb each.

Location : Chandragiri Hills, Kathmandu, Nepal
Elevation : 8200 ft.
Date : 28 June 2018
Habit : Wild
Which Rubus is this?

May be Rubus macilentus.


I am afriad it is not matching!


Looks somewhat close to Rubus niveus with smooth, purplish scrambling stem and compound leaves. However, the fruit is orange and not that compact.. but later turns black…


Is it not the same as Rubus biflora as posted by you in another thread?

No …, it is not !

R hypargyrus looking at long acuminate double toothed terminal leaflets and calyx. Flowers could have confirmed the I’d.

Thank you … Guess correct ID. I shall try to capture flower in the coming season. By the way could you please suggest the flowering time for this sp.

EFN says there are three more var. of this sp.


To me looks different from images at Rubus pedunculosus


Same plant on 27 May 2019.

ID validation please !

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Closest I can go as per comparative images at Rubus is Rubus niveus Thunb.

But I am also not convinced with this id.


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SK1914 13 May 2019 : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (10)- around 700 kb each.
Location: Phulchoki, Lalitpur, Nepal
Altitude: 2446 m.
Date: 8 May 2019

Habit : Wild 

Rubus pedunculosus D.Don ??
syn : Rubus hypargyrus Edgew.

Looks different from images at Rubus pedunculosus D. Don
Also could not find a match as per comparative images at Rubus

Going by inflorescence, buds and flowers in it-  I think it is close to images at Rubus niveus Thunb.



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Rubus niveus Thunb. : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)- around 750 kb each.
Location: Nagarkot, Bhaktapur
Date: 16  May 2019
Elevation: 1887 m.

Habit : Wild 


To me also appears close to images at Rubus niveus Thunb.


I guess this is not Rubus niveus Thunb. since description says abaxially gray tomentose but it is not.
So could it be some other sp.??

Leaves appearing different


I find great variation in this species as per posts in efi site. Leaves certainly look different. Let us try if there are close species to it.

I think this should be Rubus niveus only as per discussions in other threads like:


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SK1975 05 June 2019 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (10) – around 700 kb each.
Location: Chandragiri, Kathmandu, Nepal
Altitude: 2343 m.
Date: 27 May 2019
Habit : Wild
Which Rubus sp. ??

I think it should be Rubus niveus as per comparative images at Rubus


This seems to be very complicated species. I am not sure but looks slight different.

Looks matching but too much variation in leaf shape!


Rubus inopertus (Focke) Focke ??


Looks different from Rubus inopertus


Yes …!


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SK2057 18 July 2019 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (8)- around 750 kb each.
Location:  Phulchoki, Lalitpur 
Date:  3 July 2019
Elevation:  2332 m.
Habit : Wild
Rubus niveus Thunb. ??

Yes, appears close as per images at Rubus niveus



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SK2067 23 July 2019 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (9)- around 700 kb each.
Location:  Phulchoki, Lalitpur
Date:  3 July 2019
Elevation:  2494 m.
Habit : Wild
I guess the Same plantSK1914 13 May 2019
Rubus niveus Thunb. ??

I also think may be Rubus niveus
similar to your earlier post at SK1298 18 JUL 2018

Thank you …! Really a difficult sp.


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SK2069 23 July 2019 : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)- around 700 kb each.
Location:  Phulchoki, Lalitpur
Date:  3 July 2019
Elevation:  2543 m.
Habit : Wild
Which Rubus ?

Pl. check Rubus niveus
To me appears close.

Why is it so difficult to ID Rubus sp?

From POWO:
Leaves : 2–3-jugate
Leaflets: inferior surface white-felted, the midrib not prickly.
ACFPN: abaxially gray tomentose, adaxially soft hairy along veins or glabrate. FoI: densely pale grey to white velvety beneath


Pl. do not confuse already confused genus with these until somebody is Expert in the matter.

This species include many species which once used to be independent species.

That is why many sources give contradicting details and there descriptions are made on specimen studied by them or borrowed from other sources


OK …!


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Re: Rubus No 2 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Senapati Manipur
Kindly confirm the species
Rubus niveus ??
Yes, appears so as per Rubus niveus



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Rubus foliolosus (?). Photographed in Lahaul valley.


efi page on Rubus niveus (syn: Rubus foliolosus D. Don)


Looks different as per keys and comparative images at Rubus


So much confusion.

Not Rubus niveus


It is possible that it may turn out to be Rubus niveus only.

Rubus cordifolius Weihe & Nees ??

Looks different as per

Sir, I think, it has been correctly identified by …
While going through Flora of Lahul Spiti by Dr. Aswal, all characteristics matches with this species.
Three species, i.e., R. saxatilis (Herbaceous), R. irritans and R. foliolosus, have been reported from that area.
Although the flowers are not present in the attached Images, they show rambling habit and recurved prickles extending to petioles and
inflorescence/ infructescence. R. irritans has suberect branches and straight prickles.


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R.idaeus ?: 5 high resolution images.
Please check the attached images of Rubus species, for me this is R.idaeus.


Pl. post habit and leaf images.


here I’m attaching a complete image of species, thank you.
1 image.


Rubus idaeus L. does not have distribution in India as per POWO.


It is Rubus niveus Thunb. as per comparative images at Rubus

Dear sir, there is difference in leaves, and fruits. But let me collect flowers of same this year, may be flowers will help.


I do not think so.


Okay sir, thank you.



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