As per efi thread :

C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black 

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Fruits & Vegetables Week: Carissa carandas, the Karonda: Carissa carandas, the Karonda used as fruit, for pickling and toppings. Photographed from Delhi and LA (USA)


– We use the unripe fruit to make pickles and the ripe one is very sweet called “Kali maina“.   During our childhood days, we used to eat lots of this fruits mixed with salt as it was easily available outside our school gate. Along with we also used to get lots of Carambolas and salted tamarind.   Now all these are rarity as children prefers packaged eatables from stores.


The ripe fruit in Marathi we call “Kali maina“.  It is very tasty. I will send a photo, if I see any in the market or near schools.


After the upload of Carissa macrocarpa today by .. and .., I have come to realise that out of the above five photographs uploaded by me, the first two from Delhi belong to Carissa carandas, where as thelast four from L A belong to C. macrocarpa.


‘Now  all these are rarity as children prefers packaged eatables from stores. ‘

Very true … They also do not play (with) marbles or gilli-danda any longer, have fancy ‘uniforms’ and shoes for the football, cricket etc..That’s not all, they carry 2 or more (tennis) racquets when they come to play at the gymkhana! (carrying extra racquets for a match is understandable).
Coming back to Karonda.. we used pluck and eat the fruit straight of the tree, had one in our old house. Another favorite was (jungli) badam I am almost willing to bet that these simple pleasures of life have bypassed our current city bred youngsters (different in the small town / rural areas).


Mouth watering…. Kali maina..is a poetical Marathi name for Karvanda….  you know what .. we were having plants of both Karvand and tamarind called Chincha  in Marathi, outside our school so use to collect it after
school.. free and fresh.. to eat with salt and use to get beaten by Mom …thats also for free.. for coming home late
hahaha 
it was fun ..now a days very few plants are left that too in forest not near school and true children like to eat packed food


Sweet memories of sweet little age… we were lucky to live in clean environment…nothing was artificial  or fake
Children now have to face neck to neck competition.. that too not clean …just rat race with lot of politics within…. i really feel bad about


Fruits used for pickles in Tamil Nadu.


 

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Flora of Panipat- Carissa carandas from Herbal Garden samalkha: Carissa carandas
From Herbal garden Samalkha panipat
Family
Apocynaceae
Also known as Karonda
cultivated
fruits used to make pickles 


just bought some Karamada fruits and made chutney, yum! 

  


 

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KAS Week ::(Karonda – 03/10/2012 – NJ): Karonda (Karvand – Marathi)
Found in abundance on roadsides near kas from May end to June.


Scientific name please, as there is some confusion in names. There was a long discussion recently on a plant uploaded by …


Its Carissa carandas from Kas



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Karvanda for ID : SPC-027 & SPC-028 : 08-03-2013 : Baroda : 6 images. 6 posts by 3 authors.

Please help to id the species of these Karvanda bushes. The first three photographs are from one shrub and the last three are from another one. My confusion stems from the difference in the shape of the flower petals in the first three images as compared to the last three… few of the flowers of the shrub in the last three images had 6 petals, is this normal?).


Could this be Carissa congesta 


Carrisa caranda


iam not quite sure but it seems to me that the first three photos are of Carrisa opaca, and the others of carrisa
carranda
, sending photo taken by me


I have a feeling that the 1st three photographs are of a different species than the last three.


 

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Tree Identification ???? : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
Place Hyderabad

24th May 2014


What is the habit of the plant, a tree or a climber?


Carissa carandas


 

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Feb2015sk16 Hooghly – Carissa carandas L. : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (8)
Photographed on 23-Aug-2012


 

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Feb2015sk17 Hooghly – Carissa carandas L. (another tree) : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (5) 
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Flowering trees in delhi–karaunda(carissa congesta) : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)
A nicely flowering and fruiting tree (or should I call a bush) near my residence, taken on 2.6.8


I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by … as per efi thread :
C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black 

 

re:karwanda : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
this thorny shrub is also called “karwanda“, the fruit is white in shade, becomes pink when exposed to sunlight, is very sour and exudes white latex.
it is home to many caterpillars in winter.
the fruit is also worn in hair by women.


The specimen in the picture is Carissa congesta var. albida locally called Safed Karvand. It was first reported from Purandhar by Fr.Santapau where it was used to adorn ladies’ hats.
It is now often grown as an ornamental in gardens.


I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by … as per efi thread :
C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black

 

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Fruiting plant | ID. Request 16Jun2010 : 6 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (2)
Kind request to ID this beautiful fruiting plant

Date/Time :

1 Jan 2009 05:22PM

 

Location- Place, altitude and GPS:


Angamali, Kerala

 

Habitat- garden/ urban/wild/type:

Town,  Backyard, Garden

 

Plant Habit-tree/shrub/climber/herb:

Small Tree

 

Height/length:

8-10 feet

 

Leaves-type/shape/size:

Heart shape, Alternate (?), 5cms

 

Inflorescence type /size:

 

Flowers-size/colour/calyx/bracts:

 –


 

Fruits type-shape/size/seeds:

Pink, Size comparable with Jamoon fruit


it is Carissa karandasKaronda.


… remembering … gave me the ID … Carissa congesta var.albida … hoping it must be it … please search in earlier posts.


I also think this is Carissa carandas in Bengali we call it “Karamchanow avilable in market used to make chutney and Etc.


I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by … as per efi thread :
C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black 

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ID please … looks like some species of Carissa, would it be C. congesta ?
Date/Time : May 15, 2010 at 3.08pm IST
Location Place : Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale Udyan (Nursery)
Altitude : 13 m
GPS
: 18°58’38.49″N, 72°50’17.86″E
Habitat : garden
Type : …
Plant
Habit : shrub
Height : about 3 m

Length : – not a climber –
Leaves
Type : simple, margin entire, slightly wavy, oppositely arranged, some single, short petioled (about 3 – 5 mm)
Shape :
oval, rounded at both ends
Size : about 2 x 1.5 inches

Inflorescence
Type :
terminal corymbs
Size : do not know
Flowers
Size
: do not know
Colour : do not know
Calyx : do not know
Bracts : – no bracts

Fruits
Type : berry
Shape :
ellipsoid, rounded ends, faintly tipped.
Size : .about 1.5 – 2
cm

Seeds : do not know

Other Info

Fragrance : do not know
Pollinator
: do not know
Uses : edible.


yes we in bengali call it KARAMCHA use to make chutney extremely sour to taste


I think C carandas
Used for making Achar, known as Karonda


It is Carissa congesta var. albida. Please check the archives of this group for our previous discussion on this.


Just to add. It was first discovered by Fr.Santapau in the market place of a village in Purandhar. It has since been introduced in most gardens as an ornamental. Sprigs were used to adorn the hats of young women.


Many thanks … for validating my query.
Actually had got surprised when one of my flickr contacts, posed a doubt of this plant being Carissa !!
… ID clarified my thinking: why must wild and abundant C. congesta, be cultivated at a nursery.


It is called Karbanda and when it is ripe called Kaali Maina.


more info on Carissa
http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/Products/AFDbases/af/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=18030


Carissa congesta [Carvanda] is fruiting extensively in Shahapur right now. Sending a few photographs. Attachments (4)


called karaunda in hindi. Makes a delicious pickle. Also used as the ‘sour’ ingredient in chutneys. This is also coloured and preserved in sugar syrup and sold n the Indiam market as Glaced cherries for akes/puddings etc.


Carissa congesta (var. albida) … is commonly known as: ………..


Yes, this is C. carandasKaronda. Chatni, picle and sweet and savour vegetable is made out of this fruit.


I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by … as per efi thread :
C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black


Many thanks … for resurfacing my post

The post in eFI group that you have pointed, has keys provided by … He concludes by saying “Things are not very clear seeing lot of variability and confusion in literature but for me most features especially leaves and young fruit go with C. carandas“.
There is lot of variability and confusion; status of C. congesta is not clear. Let us hope some one sorting this genus comes forward and puts his / her thoughts too. 


Thanks, …
As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).
You can see a large number of synonyms for this species at WCSP link


Also pursue other threads in Carissa carandas


Many thanks … Will make relevant changes in my flickr notes.


This is Carissa cogesta [Wight] var. albida [Sant]. Please check this link for our previous discussion on this


There has been a lot of taxonomic confusions in this genus with hundreds of synonyms.
I don’t find anything like Carissa congesta var. albida (in Kew Bull. 1948: 490. 1949) either in WCSP or GRIN
BSI eflora of India list so many species, which are mostly synonyms now as per WCSP link.
As per WCSP, Carissa congesta Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 4: t. 1289 (1848) is a syn. of Carissa spinarum L., Mant. Pl. 2: 559 (1771).
If you pursue other threads in Carissa carandas, you will certainly feel that the current post is of Carissa carandas


Please check Dr. Almeida’s ‘ Flora of Maharashtra’, Vol. 3.


 

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re:karwanda : 5 posts by 3 authors. 1 image.
this thorny shrub is also called “karwanda“, the fruit is white in shade, becomes pink when exposed to sunlight, is very sour and exudes white latex.
it is home to many caterpillars in winter.
the fruit is also worn in hair by women.


The specimen in the picture is Carissa congesta var. albida locally called Safed Karvand. It was first reported from Purandhar by Fr. Santapau where it was used to adorn ladies’ hats.
It is now often grown as an ornamental in gardens.


I think it should be Carissa carandas if we go by keys provided by … as per efi thread :
C. carandas                                                         C. spinarum
1. Lateral veins of leaf ca. 8 pairs      1. Lateral veins of leaf 3-5 pairs
2. Leaves 3.5-8 cm long                    2. Leaves 2-5 cm long
3. Leaf apex rounded, emarginate     3. Leaf apex acute or acuminate
to apiculate
4. Fruit ellipsoid, 15-25 mm long.     4. Fruit subglobose, 5-12 mm
5. Ripe fruit reddish-purple               5. Ripe fruit shining black


For me the ID is correct. It is known as Kalakkai in Tamil and used for pickles.


 

 

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With the on going discussion on Carissa, I am posting this old picture taken in Nasik on the 8th of Sept,2009.

Experts, kindly validate.


Is it not Carissa carandas?


Thanks a lot. Hope to get it validated.


I also feel the same: Carissa carandas


For me it is definitely Carissa carandas.



 

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Here is another plant that I could not identify.
This plant is seen near forested hillock (Sadhukonda) near Thamballapalle in Chittoor district of Andhra Pradesh. 
Please help me identify this plant.


It is Carissa spinarum. The fruit is edible when ripe, you must have eaten it! It is known as karuanda.


To me it appears like Carissa carandas L. as per keys herein.


yes it is Carissa carandas L., 


I also noticed the Leaf apex (rounded- emarginate),
The fruit I have seen and eaten was purple and reddish.
Thanks again for confirmation.


 

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For ID010618SG : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)

Please help ID this spreading bush having big thrones. Flower smells like jasmine. Leaves have milkey latex.


Carissa sp. only Apocynaceae. Check local floras from the collected locality.


Thanks, …, for the genus id.
To me it appears like Carissa carandas L. as per keys herein. 

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Nagla forest  … part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park

Date: December 21, 2019 … Altitude: sea level to about 600 ft asl

Carissa carandas  L.

Must be quite an old resident of this forest.  

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