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Geum roylei Wall., Numer. List: n.° 713 (1829);
. Afghanistan to Himalaya: Afghanistan, Nepal, Pakistan, West Himalaya as per POWO; .
Rosaceae Fortnight: Geum urbanum from Kashmir-GSSEP27/27 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4) Common names: avens, Bennet’s-root, cloveroot, herb-bennet, wood avens
Perennial herb with pinnate leaves, 6-12 leaflets, upper pair large, terminal orbicular, largest (up to 7 cm), upper with 3 leaflets or 3-lobed; flowers pale yellow 1.5-2 cm across; calyx lobes reflexed; style long, strongly incurved and jointed, upper part falling off in fruit. Photographed from Pahalgam, Dachhigam and Gulmarg in Kashmir in June and July As per another thread: Yes …, G. roylei .
Kalatope id al070511a:
Location Kalatope, Chamba Altitude 2000 mts Habit herb Habitat wild Plant height 18-20 inches not Duchesnea indica, that is a creeping plant, with characteristic three toothed bracts (epicalyx) and much smaller flower. I knew that I know this plant so well, but some how was not able to recollect. Now I have, Geum urbanum it is This is how it wil look in fruit. Here is my old post Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread. . Rosaceae Week: Geum urbanum from Kashmir:
Geum urbanum L., Sp. pl. 1:501. 1753 Common names: avens, Bennet’s-root, cloveroot, herb-bennet, wood avens
Perennial herb with pinnate leaves, 6-12 leaflets, upper pair large, terminal orbicular, largest (up to 7 cm), upper with 3 leaflets or 3-lobed; flowers pale yellow 1.5-2 cm across; calyx lobes reflexed; style long, strongly incurved and jointed, upper part falling off in fruit. Photographed from Pahalgam, Dachhigam and Gulmarg in Kashmir in June and July This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.)
Request for ID : Pahalgam : 191011 : AK-1:
A small plant with a single yellow flower, photographed at Pahalgam on the 8th of Sept,11. Not too sure if this is a garden plant cultivated or growing wild….as it was found growing in the hotel garden under a Pine tree. Kindly id. This is a species of Geum (Rosaceae) very like Geum urbanum. The leaf shape and large stipules are haracteristic. Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread. yes …
Plant for confirmation: 301011 SRANA 03 Geum urbanum: Request for confirmation
Date: 1st August 2011
Plant location: Paddar valley district Kishtwar J&K.
Altitude: 2256 meters asl
GPS: 33.36 N and 76.22 E
Plant habit/habitat: Wild herb
Plant height: 3 to 4 feets Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread. yes …
VoF Week: 14092012 BS 2 Ranunculus sp from way to Ghangriya for id: Geum roylei Bolle (syn: Geum urbanum auct. (non L.).          VOF Week: Geum roylei from Hemkunt Sahib: Yes … Very good capture.
Wild Flower For ID : Srinagar : 07JUN16 : AK-1 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
Posting after a very long while.
Wild flower seen in Srinagar on 24th April,16. Is it Geum Species? Geum urbanum If you have posted side view of the flower, it would have been nice. Thanks for the id. These are all the pictures I have. This could also be Geum urbanum? Photographed on Shankaracharya Hill. Thanks, … As per another thread: I had posted one set of pictures with three pictures which were identified by … as Geum urbanum, later corrected to Geum roylei by …, the former being a Syn.
Later, I have added two more pictures from Shankaracharya Hill.
Do I take both sets to be Geum roylei, Syn Geum urbanum?
Kindly clear my confusion.
Attachments (2) When botanizing in the UK and able to recognise that a plant is an ‘Avens’ (Geum sp.) the situation is fairly simple. Near to where I live it will be Geum urbanum.
In other parts of the UK, in marshes, stream-sides, damp woods etc. it may well be Geum rivale. During survey work in Wales I came across both species together and what is known as a “hybrid swarm” being able to recognise the hybrid Geum rivale x urbanum lnown as Geum x intermedium. The swarms show a large range of variation with “back-crosses”….
Let us return to Kashmir. I must admit to having taken little notice of Geums in the Himalaya at lower elevations, as they are of rather ‘weedy’ appearance, resembling Geum urbanum which I was familiar with the UK. I did take notice of Geum elatum, which is common in Kashmir @ 3-4000m in subalpine and alpine meadows – so not something to be found in Srinagar.
But there has been confusion with the Geum or perhaps Geums at lower elevations.
‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ Geum roylei is found @ 1800-3600m in forests & shrubberies from Afghanistan to Central Nepal. They say “very similar to G.urbanum found in Europe”.
According to Stewart Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.roylei Wall, G.urbanum Hk. in FBI) is common in the temperate zone of Kashmir & 2-4000m which he says is “taller & much weedier than G.elatum“.
He also says G.urbanum L. is common in temperate zone of Kashmir, chiefly in the temperate zone @ 2100-3900 which he describes as “taller and more weedy than G.roylei“.
Flippantly, perhaps G.roylei and G.urbanum can be distinguished on their height & ‘weediness’ (the latter being rather subjective)!?
Seriously though, I do have a set of images of Geum urbanum taken in the UK (albeit that they may vary from the forms growing in Kashmir and will check in case this has been recognised as varietal or subspecies level) or now submerged into G.roylei, which might be worth posting for comparative purposes.
I also have a set of images of Geum elatum.
I see from a quick look at other postings of Geum on eFI there is only G.roylei. There are no posts for Geum elatum, so would be worthwhile to add images of this lovely species – though have only seen the yellow forms.
On the basis of Stewart, both sets of images taken by … would be of G.roylei but need to see the latest thinking as to whether both G.roylei and G.urbanum are found in the Himalaya. Part of the confusion has arisen as a result of the species name urbanum being used by both Hooker and Linnaeus.
I note that in ‘Plants of Gulmarg’ Naqshi, Singh & Koul (1984) they only list G.urbanum L. as common – no mention of G.roylei
Further East in the Himalaya there is Geum sikkimense. Yes Geum urbanum Thanks, …. But as per another thread: “This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.))”
Geum roylei ABAUG2016/25 : 3 posts by 2 authors. 5 images.
I photographed these plants on my walks on 31 July and again on 6 August. I suspect it to be Geum roylei. Please advise
Geum roylei— Royle’s Avens
Triund, HP
2900m approx.
31 July, 6 August 2016 Thanks, …, for wonderful images. . Fwd: The differences between Geum roylei Boille and Geum urbanum L. : 3 posts by 1 author.
Having now submitted two postings of Geum elatum, it is time to see if progress can be made clarifying the difference between:
Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.urbanum Hk. FBI) and Geum urbanum L.
Stewart understood that BOTH species were common in Kashmir.
Is this the current thinking amongst Indian botanists and IF so, on what basis are they told apart?
I do have a set of images of G.urbanum taken in the UK which we can use for comparative purposes but I think it will be informative to know the current thinking first.
Just seen that Geum roylei is an UNRESOLVED name according to the latest version of ‘The Plant List’!
What fun.
I also cannot access Geum in ‘Flora of Pakistan’. Have they come up with another change of genus? As Geums WERE known to be in Pakistan. With Geum elatum described in ‘Flowers of Pakistan’ which says there are only 2 species of Geum in that country – I have to say I question the identification of the photos claiming to be G.elatum – the flowers look too small to me (cannot see the foliage).
Can anyone help clarify the situation?
Collet in ‘Flora Simlensis’ said that Geum elatum L. grew commonly around Shimla. But he generally followed Hooker and the INCORRECT assumption at that time that lots of ‘British’/ ‘European’ species grew in the W.Himalaya, so IF Geranium roylei is a separate species, as was the thinking behind ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’, Collet would have just assumed the Geum at Shimla was a variant of the ‘British’ plant which was found in Europe & West Asia.
Has the genus been studied since then? Geum roylei Wall. is an accepted name as per Catalogue of Life (updated on 23.12.16) with distribution as Afghanistan, Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), NW-India, Nepal Thanks for this information but what is most important to me is how one tells the two species apart?
And on what basis Indian botanists have been separating the two in past decades?
The two may or may not be the same. .
I am having doubts about the id of Geum sikkimense in FOI being correct as per POWO and GBIF specimen- one and two and image in BBP.
Pl. check.
Yes … ! According to the herb. images in POWO and GBIF, leaf pattern is completely different. Is this some rubus or fragaria sp. ??
I do share your doubt. Not so much in leaves, but the sepals in our flowers have needle like tips, which is missing in the BBP pic. The stamens are also very different. Ten years back when I had tried to identify it, not many images were available for comparison.
I would be happy to get the correct ID. Maybe it is Rubus nepalensis!
I think looks different from images at Rubus nepalensis I feel flowers and leaves may be different plants. Needs to be removed/ corrected in FOI. Done! . References:
POWO Catalogue of Life |
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