Geum roylei Bolle, Fedde, Repert. Beih. 72: 66 (1933). (syn: Geum urbanum auct. (non L.).;
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Rosaceae Fortnight: Geum urbanum from Kashmir-GSSEP27/27 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)

Geum urbanum L., Sp. pl. 1:501. 1753

Common names: avens, Bennet’s-root, cloveroot, herb-bennet, wood avens
Perennial herb with pinnate leaves, 6-12 leaflets, upper pair large, terminal orbicular, largest (up to 7 cm), upper with 3 leaflets or 3-lobed; flowers pale yellow 1.5-2 cm across; calyx lobes reflexed; style long, strongly incurved and jointed, upper part falling off in fruit. 
Photographed from Pahalgam, Dachhigam and Gulmarg in Kashmir in June and July

As per another thread:
“This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.))”


Yes …, G. roylei

G. urbanum is considered as European species


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Geum urbanum from Kashmir – efloraofindia | Google Groups : Shankeracharya hill on June 23, 2010;



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Kalatope id al070511a: Location Kalatope, Chamba
Altitude 2000 mts
Habit herb
Habitat wild
Plant height 18-20 inches

not Duchesnea indica, that is a creeping plant, with characteristic three toothed bracts (epicalyx) and much smaller flower.


I knew that I know this plant so well, but some how was not able to recollect. Now I have, Geum urbanum it is


This is how it wil look in fruit.


Here is my old post


Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread.


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Rosaceae Week: Geum urbanum from Kashmir: Geum urbanum L., Sp. pl. 1:501. 1753
Common names: avens, Bennet’s-root, cloveroot, herb-bennet, wood avens
Perennial herb with pinnate leaves, 6-12 leaflets, upper pair large, terminal orbicular, largest (up to 7 cm), upper with 3 leaflets or 3-lobed; flowers pale yellow 1.5-2 cm across; calyx lobes reflexed; style long, strongly incurved and jointed, upper part falling off in fruit. 
Photographed from Pahalgam, Dachhigam and Gulmarg in Kashmir in June and July

This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.)



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Request for ID : Pahalgam : 191011 : AK-1: A small plant with a single yellow flower, photographed at Pahalgam on the 8th of Sept,11.
Not too sure if this is a garden plant cultivated or growing wild….as it was found growing in the hotel garden under a Pine tree.
Kindly id.

This is a species of Geum (Rosaceae) very like Geum urbanum. The leaf shape and large stipules are haracteristic.


Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread.


yes …



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Date: 1st August 2011
Plant location: Paddar valley district Kishtwar J&K.
Altitude: 2256 meters asl
GPS: 33.36 N and 76.22 E
Plant habit/habitat: Wild herb
Plant height: 3 to 4 feets

Thanks, …, Is this also Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.) as per another thread.


yes …



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VoF Week: 14092012 BS 2 Ranunculus sp from way to Ghangriya for id:  Ranunculus sp from way to Ghangriya for id


Geum roylei Bolle (syn: Geum urbanum auct. (non L.).


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VOF Week: Geum roylei from Hemkunt Sahib:  This one was shot near Hemkunt Sahib, I hope this is Geum roylei…validate/correct please…


Yes … Very good capture.



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Wild Flower For ID : Srinagar : 07JUN16 : AK-1 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)
Posting after a very long while.

Wild flower seen in Srinagar on 24th April,16.

Is it Geum Species?


Geum urbanum


If you have posted side view of the flower, it would have been nice.


Thanks for the id. These are all the pictures I have.


This could also be Geum urbanum? Photographed on Shankaracharya Hill.


Thanks, … As per another thread:
“This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.))”


I had posted one set of pictures with three pictures which were identified by … as Geum urbanum, later corrected to Geum roylei by …, the former being a Syn.
Later, I have added two more pictures from Shankaracharya Hill.
Do I take both sets to be Geum roylei, Syn Geum urbanum?
Kindly clear my confusion.
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When botanizing in the UK and able to recognise that a plant is an ‘Avens’ (Geum sp.) the situation is fairly simple.  Near to where I live it will be Geum urbanum.
In other parts of the UK, in marshes, stream-sides, damp woods etc. it may well be Geum rivale.  During survey work in Wales I came across both species together and what is known as a “hybrid swarm” being able to recognise the hybrid Geum rivale x urbanum lnown as Geum x intermedium. The swarms show a large range of variation with “back-crosses”….
Let us return to Kashmir.  I must admit to having taken little notice of Geums in the Himalaya at lower elevations, as they are of rather ‘weedy’ appearance, resembling Geum urbanum which I was familiar with the UK. I did take notice of Geum elatum, which is common in Kashmir @ 3-4000m in subalpine and alpine meadows – so not something to be found in Srinagar.
But there has been confusion with the Geum or perhaps Geums at lower elevations.
‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ Geum roylei is found @ 1800-3600m in forests & shrubberies from Afghanistan to Central Nepal. They say “very similar to G.urbanum found in Europe”.
According to Stewart Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.roylei Wall, G.urbanum Hk. in FBI) is common in the temperate zone of Kashmir & 2-4000m which he says is “taller & much weedier than G.elatum“.
He also says G.urbanum L. is common in temperate zone of Kashmir, chiefly in the temperate zone @ 2100-3900 which he describes as “taller and more weedy than G.roylei“.
Flippantly, perhaps G.roylei and G.urbanum can be distinguished on their height & ‘weediness’ (the latter being rather subjective)!?
Seriously though, I do have a set of images of Geum urbanum taken in the UK (albeit that they may vary from the forms growing in Kashmir and will check in case this has been recognised as varietal or subspecies level) or now submerged into G.roylei, which might be worth posting for comparative purposes.
I also have a set of images of Geum elatum.
I see from a quick look at other postings of Geum on eFI there is only G.roylei. There are no posts for Geum elatum, so would be worthwhile to add images of this lovely species – though have only seen the yellow forms.
On the basis of Stewart, both sets of images taken by … would be of G.roylei but need to see the latest thinking as to whether both G.roylei and G.urbanum are found in the Himalaya. Part of the confusion has arisen as a result of the species name urbanum being used by both Hooker and Linnaeus.
I note that in ‘Plants of Gulmarg’ Naqshi, Singh & Koul (1984) they only list G.urbanum L. as common – no mention of G.roylei

Further East in the Himalaya there is Geum sikkimense.


Yes Geum urbanum


Thanks, …. But as per another thread: “This should be taken as Geum roylei Bolle (syn: G. urbanum Auct. (non L.))”



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Geum roylei ABAUG2016/25 : 3 posts by 2 authors. 5 images.
Other recipients:
I photographed these plants on my walks on 31 July and again on 6 August. I suspect it to be Geum roylei. Please advise. Geum roylei—Royle’s Avens Triund, HP 2900m approx. 31 July, 6 August 2016. Thanks. Ashwini
I photographed these plants on my walks on 31 July and again on 6 August. I suspect it to be Geum roylei. Please advise
Geum royleiRoyle’s Avens
Triund, HP
2900m approx.

31 July, 6 August 2016


Thanks, …, for wonderful images.


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Having now submitted two postings of Geum elatum, it is time to see if progress can be made clarifying the difference between:
Geum roylei Boille (syn. G.urbanum Hk. FBI) and Geum urbanum L.
Stewart understood that BOTH species were common in Kashmir.
Is this the current thinking amongst Indian botanists and IF so, on what basis are they told apart?
I do have a set of images of G.urbanum taken in the UK which we can use for comparative purposes but I think it will be informative to know the current thinking first.
Just seen that Geum roylei is an UNRESOLVED name according to the latest version of ‘The Plant List’!
What fun.
I also cannot access Geum in ‘Flora of Pakistan’. Have they come up with another change of genus?  As Geums WERE known to be in Pakistan.  With Geum elatum described in ‘Flowers of Pakistan’ which says there are only 2 species of Geum in that country – I have to say I question the identification of the photos claiming to be G.elatum – the flowers look too small to me (cannot see the foliage).
Can anyone help clarify the situation?
Collet in ‘Flora Simlensis’ said that Geum elatum L. grew commonly around Shimla. But he generally followed Hooker and the INCORRECT assumption at that time that lots of ‘British’/ ‘European’ species grew in the W.Himalaya, so IF Geranium roylei is a separate species, as was the thinking behind ‘Flowers of the Himalaya’, Collet would have just assumed the Geum at Shimla was a variant of the ‘British’ plant which was found in Europe & West Asia.

Has the genus been studied since then?


Geum roylei Wall. is an accepted name as per Catalogue of Life (updated on 23.12.16) with distribution as Afghanistan, Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), NW-India, Nepal
Geum urbanum L. is an accepted name as per Catalogue of Life (updated on 23.12.16) with distribution as Albania, Austria, Belgium, England, Bulgaria, Corsica, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Spain, Hungary, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia, Portugal, Malta, Norway, Poland, Romania, Sardinia, Sicily, Scandinavia, Sweden, Crimea, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, C-European Russia, E-European Russia, N-European Russia, W-European Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Caucasus, Azerbaijan, Gruziya, Armenia, W-Siberia, Russian Far East, C-Asia, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, New Zealand, Turkey (E-Anatolia, Inner Anatolia, N-Anatolia, NE-Anatolia, NW-Anatolia: Bithynia, S-Anatolia: Aleppo etc., SE-Anatolia, SSW-Anatolia, W-Anatolia, WN-Anatolia), European Turkey, Iran (EC-Iran, N-Iran: Mts., NW-Iran: Iranian Aserbaijan, W-Iran: Mts.), Iraq (NE-Iraq, NW-Iraq), Lebanon (C-Lebanon), Syria (coastal W-Syria, C-Syrian Desert), Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), N-India, USA (introduced) (Illinois (introduced), Massachusetts (introduced), Michigan (introduced), New York (introduced), Ohio (introduced), Oregon (introduced), Pennsylvania (introduced), Rhode Island (introduced), Utah (introduced), Vermont (introduced), Washington State (introduced), Wisconsin (introduced)), Canada (introduced) (New Brunswick (introduced), Ontario (introduced), Quebec (introduced))

In on line efloras, I get only Geum roylei Bolle, ; Fedde, Repert. Beih. 72: 66 (1933) in Flora of Nepal & Geum urbanum Linnaeus, Sp. Pl. 1: 501. 1753 in Flora of North America.

Thanks for this information but what is most important to me is how one tells the two species apart?
And on what basis Indian botanists have been separating the two in past decades?
The two may or may not be the same.


Resembles with Geum aleppicum: 2 high res. images.
Id request from, kashmir


Pl. always mention at least date and place in Kashmir.
Geum aleppicum does not have any distribution in India as per POWO.
It may be Geum roylei, as per images and details herein. Pl. check.
Also post images showing leaves etc.
You can send many images one by one in reply in the same post.


Thank you very much sir.. I will do that.


Geum urbanum (syn: G. rotlei)


According to PoIHR, BSI Geum aleppicum Jacq. has got distribution in Jammu and Kashmir.
Now to decide which sp. is this ?

could you send link to this publication

If this species has really distribution in J &K, this should help
According to GO Botany G. aleppicum has 200-250 achenes, G. urbanum less than 100 (that should identify this as G. aleppicum), basal part of style spreading pubescent in former, glabrous in latter, petals 6-10 mm long in former, 4-7 in latter. Additionally eFlora of N. America fruiting torus on 2-3 mm long stipe and softly hairy in former, sessile and bristly in latter. Hope it helps.


This is from book not from link


Looks very close to Geum aleppicum.  It is distributed in the whole of temperate world. The distribution shown in the map on POWO almost touches Kashmir.


I will go with G.aleppicum


Kashmir is temperate region


Pl. post habit image.


With the two posted images, I will go with … as per images and details at Geum roylei


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