Embelia drupacea

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Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 90: 426 1993 publ. 1994. (Syn: .; Embelia tetrandra J.Graham; Embelia viridiflora C.B.Clarke [Illegitimate]; Myrsine aurantiaca Wall.; Pothos drupaceus Dennst.);
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Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 90: 426 1993 publ. 1994. (syn: Choripetalum aurantiacum (Wall.) A. DC.; Choripetalum viridiflorum A. DC.; Embelia aurantiaca (Wall.) B. M. Wadhwa; Myrsine aurantiaca Wall.; Pothos drupaceus Dennst.; Samara aurantiaca (Wall.) Arn.; Samara rheedii Wight; Samara viridiflora Thw. (ambiguous synonym)) as per Catalogue of Life;
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Embelia aurantiaca (Wall.) Wadhwa, Revised Handb. Fl. Ceylon 13: 156 1999. (Syn: Embelia basaal auct. non Roem. & Schult.) as per efi thread;
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Sri Lanka, S-India as per Catalogue of Life;
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Fruits & Vegetables Week: RVS-15: Embelia basaal (now E. aurantiaca). This wild edible fruit tastes very sour.

A reply in another thread :
“The nomenclature of this group may be confusing. I believe that some of the posts labeled as Embelia basaal in this page are probably of E. tsjeriam-cottam, if I am right. Any botanical name here without the author citation might cause confusion.
Few authors consider Embelia basaal auct. non Roem. & Schult. and E. tsjeriam-cottam (Roem. & Schult.) DC. as one and the same. However, Wadhwa & Sumithraarachchi (in Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon-vol 13) have tried to clear the confusion by making a new combination for the first species as Embelia aurantiaca (Wall.) Wadhwa. They have also provided a detailed note on the nomenclature issue of this complex. But, for some (unpublished?) reason, this name is now listed as synonym of Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida and this name has still not been recognized by GRIN.
We should probably need to revisit Embelia in our records.

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Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC ; SAN June 07 : 9 posts by 4 authors. 1 correct image as above.
Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC, Fam: Myrsinaceae;

Wild Climbing shrub from Coonor area of Nilgiri, Tamilnadu

This does not look like Wavding [Embelia basaal] to me. Please check. Some of my photographs of this are available at these links :

Will send photographs of the fruit for comparison later if required.

My photographs of Wavding fruiting. They were taken on my property at Shahapur. Attachments (8)

Found a few more photographs. Attachments (2)

I saw the images of …, They all Embelia tsjeriam cottam only. In Embelia basal leaves are coriaceous, veins indistinct whereas in E. tsjeriam-cottam leaf blade is membranous, veins distinct. Flowers tetramerous in E. basal, it is pentamerous in E. tsjeriam- cottam.

In a way, both … are right! They talk about right plants but the nomenclature is confusing.

… plant is Embelia aurantiaca, formerly E. basaal (leaves subfleshy, sour, nerves indistinct) as per Flora of Ceylon [it is E. drupacea as per The Plant List].
… plant is E. tsjeriam-cottam (leaves not fleshy, not sour, nerves prominent often purplish beneath).

Here is my note from an another thread:

“The nomenclature of this group is confusing….. Few authors consider Embelia basaal auct. non Roem. & Schult. and E. tsjeriam-cottam (Roem. & Schult.) DC. as one and the same. However, Wadhwa & Sumithraarachchi (in Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon-vol 13) have tried to clear the confusion by making a new combination for the first species as Embelia aurantiaca (Wall.) Wadhwa. They have also provided a detailed note on the nomenclature issue of this complex. But, for some (unpublished?) reason, this name is now listed as synonym of Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida and this name has still not been recognized by GRIN.”

The treatments of Embelia in GRIN are seemingly based on old literature hence may not be up-to-date.

My photographs of Embelia drupacea are available at these links :

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Thank you …, you have clarified the doubts well.

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Embelia basaal (Roem. & Schult.) A. DC, wild climber from Agumbe area of Karnataka,
fruits of this also used as baibidang 
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Please identify this climber – NS 300811:  Please identify this climber. Have grown it from seeds collected near the lake at Mahabaleshwar. Unfortunately don’t have too much information to volunteer except to state that the climber grew in a thicket overhanging the road.

It had red to purplish berries about 1/2 a cm in size which was relished by a pair of Malabar Giant Squirrels so much so that they continued feasting on the berries undeterred by our presence right beneath them.

Sending a few photographs.

This should be Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida of Primulaceae. Pls confirm if the petioles are chanelled or post a recent picture of the climber. The local name is Ambat and is a favourite of Ratufa.
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Thanks … for the lead. The climber hasn’t grown much but am sending a more recent photograph taken in November 2011. A photograph of this plant in S.R.Yadav & M.M.Sardesai’s ‘Flora of Kholapur District’ makes for a favourable comparison.

Climber in Primulaceae sounds interesting to me sir.
Embelia belongs to Myrsinaceae now, but no idea about the ID.

…, yes, the chanelled petiole and nerves merging along margin confirm the ID. Your Ratfa pictures did not show fruits but you say they tally with the picture in Flora of Kolhapur. The climber would be flowering now at M’shwar. … Embelia is in Primulaceae as per ‘The Plant List’, I know it belonged to Myrsinaceae

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Identification of climber : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)- 1 mb each.

Request identification of this climber.

where in the world is it? region ? how many feet above the sea level. rest of habitat and its own habit

It is a straggler found in Bangalore forest locality around 920 m altitudes. Is it Embelia basaal!! Waiting for flowers for id & confirmation.

Attachments (3) – 1 mb or more.

I guess ID is correct !

Beautiful photographs & a nice upload.  For me the ID is correct.

Your images look totally different from Embelia tsjeriam-cottam (Roem. & Schult.) A.DC. (syn: Embelia basaal A. DC.) as per images and details herein.
Pl. also pursue keys at Embelia‎
Thank you for the response. Embelia basaal  (Roem. & Schult.) A.DC. according to the plant list is unresolved. As per the digital flora of karnataka it looks to be Embelia basaal. The flowers (petals inside) are orangish and not white (Embelia tsjeriam-cottam) as per the keys.

I hope the name could be resolved and accepted.

Thanks, … Nomenclature of Embelia basaal has been quite confusing in the literatures. This has been discussed in details at Embelia tsjeriam-cottam
Pl. check discussions highlighted in sky colour at Embelia tsjeriam-cottam
You will see that digital flora of Karnataka has mixed images from two species (Embelia tsjeriam-cottam and Embelia drupacea) at this site.

Thank you sir,  identified as Embelia viridiflora 

Embelia viridiflora synonym of Embelia drupacea

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Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almeida submission AS19 December21: 9 images.
Adding some flowering images of Embelia drupacea to site which otherwise is presented only by vegetative and fruiting images.
Embelia drupacea (Dennst.) M.R.Almeida & S.M.Almida
Orange Embelia
Family – Primulaceae
Photographed at FRLHT garden and Jarakabande Kaval, Bengaluru Outskirts, Karnataka
In November 2021

 

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