Common name: Tangled Hawksbeard • Ladakhi: རེམ ག Remang

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Some herbs from Keylong- Leh road 3 : 5 posts by 1 author. Attachments (2)

Pl. try with some Crepis species as per comparative images herein.


This is Askellia (=Crepis) flexuosa.

I appreciate that a lot of time and effort went into sub-dividing the VERY large Asteraceae family (previously Compositae) into Tribes but I personally think in terms of GENERA rather than Tribes and often find searching for entries a nuisance.
When I began taking a serious interest in botany in the late 1970s arranging plants systematically remained the norm.
‘Flowers of the Himalaya’ is arranged systematically.  Herbaria are arranged systematically.  I do see a value in arranging the efI data-base by family.  Wisely, an ALPHABETICAL approach has been adopted NOT a Systematic one.
I would urge that both old and new names (some changes of families have taken place in recent years) should be given with a entry for old names given with the new name provided e.g. Compositae see Asteraceae.
Dickore & Klimes arranged their ‘Flora of Ladakh’ (2005) which is a check-list rather than a Flora, in alphabetical order by family but when I first started to use it, was not familiar with quite a number of name changes of the families (they, unfortunately, did not indicate which families the families had been known as previously).  They also do not provide any synonyms for the numerous changes of genera and species names – all this has meant a LOT of checking for me.
I also have to observe that I find a basic check-list (even when of the highest standards which Dickore & Klimes’ work always is) of MINIMAL use – though it represents a START towards a more up-to-date version of Stewart’s ‘An Annotated Catalogue of the Vascular Plants of Pakistan & Kashmir’ (1972). Stewart’s original ‘Flora of Ladakh’ (1916-17) was little more than a check-list. We still await an actual FLORA for Ladakh.  I did offer to collaborate towards an up-to-date Flora for Ladakh 30 years ago but was told, at a senior level, this was for Indian botanists ONLY.  I have inquired a number of times since then but nobody seems to be able to tell me IF such a Flora is “in preparation”?
I wonder how many members are FAMILIAR with the Tribes within Asteraceae?  I only know some and do not think in terms of Tribes at all (though probably have a better grasp of what a ‘Tribe’ is than most) – does not seem to have done me any lasting damage…..
My vote would be for an alphabetical listing (though there would be a need for synonyms/old names to be listed).
Anyhow, I cannot locate Crepis or Youngia, so perhaps the following constitutes a new entry but even if that is not the case, the images
are well worth having available to refer to for comparison purposes?
See three lovely images of what I currently consider is Crepis flexuosa see: http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/Flora-and-Fauna/Asia/Pakistan-new/i-9XMDWz2  (what a great habitat shot) and two following images.
Flowers of the Himalaya says stony hillsides @ 3000-4200m from Pakistan to C.Nepal, Tibet, C.Asia. Prominent in Ladakh.
Stewart recorded this as very common on the dry inner ranges on bare gravelly soil @ 2700-5700m.
Flora of Lahaul-Spiti has this species only as a synonym of Youngia glauca Edgew.- which they found common on sandy slopes at Chatru.
According to The Plant List the name Crepis flexuosa is unresolved.
It can be difficult to distinguish between specimens of Crepis, Youngia and related genera, especially when the images do not show quality close-up detail.


Images by Prashant Awale (ID suggestion Gurcharan Singh), Inserted by Gurcharan Singh (Click link to see details).

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ID request- 101011-PKA2: Seen this herb near Pangong Lake in Ladakh.
Family: Asteraceae
Could this be Crepis flexuosa??
Date/Time: 14-09-2011 / 03:30PM
Location: Pangong Lake, ladakh (Altitude: Approx: 14300ft)

Habitat: Wild (on Sandy , stony soil)
Plant Habit: Herb

Looks like Chondrilla juncea.


In Chondrilla juncea the heads are generally on short axillary stalks and florets many in number, and more so not reported from Ladakh

Crepis flexuosa generally forms clumps
To me it looks like Youngia tenuifolia (syn: Crepis tenuifolia)


Chondrilla juncea not only not known for Ladakh but not in Pakistan or Kashmir.
Crepis flexuosa and Youngia tenuifolia are the likely candidates.
Of these, C.flexuosa is very common on the dry inner ranges on bare gravelly soil @ 2700-5700m.
Y.tenuifolia (previously Crepis tenuifolia) recorded less frequently @ 3000-4600m.
Have not found it easy to distinguish between the two.  From the herbarium specimens and illustrations
I have seen to date, favouring Youngia tenuifolia but does anyone know better?


I have made some progress and am now comfortable with what Crepis flexuosa and Youngia tenuifolia (or whatever current name is accepted).
I can now say with confidence that the plant photographed is not Youngia tenuifolia.
It must be said that the specimen photographed is a poorly developed one and things have been made difficult because the involucral bracts are not in focus nor the foliage for that matter but I suspect this will probably prove to be Crepis flexuosa.


I guess Crepis flexuosa is the correct ID


Asteraceae Fortnight Part 3-Ligulate heads (plus Misc.): Youngia tenuifolia?? at Ladakh :: PKA6:: : Attachments (3). 3 posts by 2 authors.
Seen this herb near Pangong Lake in Ladakh.
Family: Asteraceae
Bot name: Youngia tenuifolia (syn: Crepis tenuifolia)??
Date/Time: 14-09-2011 / 03:30PM
Location: Pangong Lake, ladakh (Altitude: Approx: 14300ft)
Habitat: Wild (on Sandy , stony soil)
Plant Habit: Herb


earlier thread: ID request- 101011-PKA2:


A reply from another thread:

Chondrilla juncea not only not known for Ladakh but not in Pakistan or Kashmir.
Crepis flexuosa and Youngia tenuifolia are the likely candidates.
Of these, C.flexuosa is very common on the dry inner ranges on bare gravelly soil @ 2700-5700m.
Y.tenuifolia (previously Crepis tenuifolia) recorded less frequently @ 3000-4600m.
Have not found it easy to distinguish between the two.  From the herbarium specimens and illustrations
I have seen to date, favouring Youngia tenuifolia but does anyone know better?


A  feedback from … from another thread:
“I have made some progress and am now comfortable with what Crepis flexuosa and Youngia tenuifolia (or whatever current name is accepted).
I can now say with confidence that the plant photographed is not Youngia tenuifolia.
It must be said that the specimen photographed is a poorly developed one and things have been made difficult because the involucral bracts are not in focus
nor the foliage for that matter but I suspect this will probably prove to be Crepis flexuosa.”


I guess Crepis flexuosa is the correct ID


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