Lobelia pyramidalis

Lobelia pyramidalis Wall., Asiat. Res. 13: 376 (1820) (syn: Dortmanna pyramidalis (Wall.) Kuntze; Lobelia pyramidalis var. wallichiana (C.Presl) Steud. ; Lobelia wallichiana (C.Presl) Hook.f. & Thomson; Rapuntium pyramidale (Wall.) C.Presl; Rapuntium wallichianum C.Presl);
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Himalaya to S. China and Indo-China: Assam, China South-Central, China Southeast, East Himalaya, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, Thailand, Vietnam, West Himalaya as per POWO;
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Common name: Pyramid Lobelia • Nepali: एक्ले विर Ekle bir, Ekphaale bish
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Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ?? : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (9) – around 600 kb each.
Sharing some pictures I guess Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. (or just Lobelia seguinii H. Lev. & Vaniot) shot at Chandragiri Hill Kathmandu Nepal
on 19 September 2016 at 8200 ft.

Thanks, …

Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes as per WCSP.

Lobelia seguinii H.Lév. & Vaniot is a different accepted species as per WCSP.

I think your plant appears to be Lobelia nicotianifolia, which is a highly variable species as per images herein.

You can also see the comparative images in efi at ‎Lobelia

I guess it matches more with Lobelia seguinii var. doniana rather than Lobelia nicotianaefolia as per leaves flower etc.
I think the pictures added here (3 images) matches with Lobelia nicotianaefolia shot at Nagarkot Nepal on 2 March, 2014 at 6000 ft.
link

Thanks, … Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes as per WCSP

I guess same ID !

Location: Nagarkot, Nepal

Date: 2 April 2018

Altitude: 6800 ft.

Habit: Wild
Attachments (5)- around 600 kb each.

How do we differentiate between Lobelia pyramidalis Wall., pink flowers, (http://www.flowersofindia.Pyramid%20Lobelia.html) and Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth, white flowers, (Link) ???

Do you think there are two sp. (pink and white flowers) in this link ?

Pl. check keys in Flora of China and FOC illustration one (Lobelia seguinii H. Léveillé & Vaniot) and two (Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich).

Pl. also pursue detailed descriptions.

I feel it (original post) may be of Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich due to ‘Racemes terminal, paniculate; flowers dense, oriented toward one side‘

Here are the differences as per detailed descriptions from Flora of China:

Lobelia doniana Skottsberg (syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth as per POWO)

Herbs, perennial, 0.3-2.4 m tall. Stems erect, up to 1.5 cm in diam., branched above, glabrous or variously shortly pubescent above. Cauline leaves alternate, at least lower ones petiolate; petiole cuneate-winged, up to 3 cm; blade elliptic to linear-elliptic, 6-33 × 1-6 cm, abaxially sparsely hispidulous, adaxially glabrous or sparsely minutely pubescent, base cuneate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate. Racemes terminal, paniculate; lower bracts leaflike, gradually smaller up stems; pedicels 3-15 mm, usually bibracteolate, densely hispidulous.

Hypanthium campanulate, oblong, or obconic, scaberulose; calyx lobes linear or linear-triangular, 7-22 mm, with (1-)4-7 teeth on each side.

Corolla bilabiate, purple, purple-red, rose-purple, or blue-purple, 20-31 mm, outside scaberulose below, inside villous; upper 2 lobes linear, slightly longer than lower 3.

Filaments connate above base, filament tube glabrous or sparsely shortly pubescent; anther tube glabrous or white hirsute only at base; lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule oblong or ellipsoid, 8-16 × 4-9 mm. Seeds ellipsoid, finely striate. Fl. and fr. Sep-Nov.

Grassy slopes, forest margins, glades; (800-)1400-3200 m. Xizang (Nyalam), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal].

Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich

Herbs, shrubby, 0.4-3 m tall. Stems glabrous. Leaves alternate, subleathery, sessile or shortly petiolate; basal leaves spatulate; lower ones oblong, up to 25 cm; middle and upper ones narrowly elliptic or narrowly oblong, 12-31 × 1-4 cm, both surfaces glabrous, base attenuate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate.

Racemes terminal, paniculate; flowers dense, oriented toward one side. Pedicels 0.6-2.4 cm, arched, bibracteolate or sometimes ebracteolate; bracts linear, often shorter than flowers, entire.
Hypanthium campanulate or broadly ellipsoid (rarely obconic), length slightly greater than width, 2-4 × 2-4 mm, glabrous; calyx lobes subulate or linear-triangular, 8-16 × 1-1.8 mm, margin entire.
Corolla white, rose, or bluish, 1.1-2.1 cm, outside glabrous, inside tube densely villous, nearly 2-lipped; lobes of upper lip linear, ca. 2/3 as long as total length of corolla; those of lower lip elliptic or lanceolate, ca. 1/3 as long as total length of corolla.
Stamens connate into tube above base; filament tube glabrous; anther tube ca. 5 mm, densely villous along sutures, lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule subglobose, oblate, or broadly ovoid, 3.5-6.5 mm in diam., glabrous, often pendulous. Seeds elliptic, obviously compressed, margin pale in color. Fl. Jan-May.

Grassy slopes, scrub, roadsides; 1200-2500 m. W Guangxi, SW Guizhou, Xizang (?Lhasa), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal, N Thailand].

A medium size shrub found towards Phulna village from Gobindghat : 9 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (1) – 3 MB
A medium size shrub found towards Phulna village from Gobindghat.

Very beautiful, looks like any Lobelia sp. ..
New to me..

Thanks, …, Pl. Also check comparative images in efi site at this page.

Thanks, …, for the initial id.

Closest match I found from comparative images at Lobelia, is highly variable species of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth ex Schult.

But I am nor sure if it the same species.
Pl. send other images if you have.

Yes, agree with …. L.nicotianifolia (=Lobelia pyramidalis). It is found at this elevation in other areas of Uttarakhand too.

But Lobelia nicotianifolia of western ghats has completely different morphology….

It is a very variable species. Pl. See
https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a—l/c/campanulaceae/lobelia/lobelia-nicotianifolia

Specimen from Sikkim in Kew.
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000575364
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000575355

From Sikkim itself variations are very much. May be a Taxonomic problem yet to be resolved.
I agree that the same (L.nicotianifolia) from W.Ghats looks very different being taller, more robust with dense inflorescence.
This species under the name L. pyramidalis Wall. is well known between 1500-3000m. TPL2013 mention this as a synonym of L.nicotianifolia. Treating both (L.pyramidalis & L.nicotianifolia) as same may be erroneous (?).
Cant say anything more st this stage.

Taking it as L. pyramidalis as per discussions at Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??

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Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth. : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)- 1 mb each or more.

Location: Namobuddha, Kabhrepalanchowk, Nepal

Date: 1 March 2013

Altitude: 1600 m.

Habit : Wild

For me the ID is correct. Wild tobacco.

Taking it as L. pyramidalis as per discussions at Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??

Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth : 4 posts by 1 author. Attachments (2)- 3 mb each.

Location: Chisapani, Kathmandu

Date: 01 October 2019

Elevation: 2047 m.

Habit : Wild

Syn : Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E.Wimm.

Attachments (2)-2 & 4 mb each.

Attachments (2)- 1 mb each.

Attachments (1) – 6 mb.

This should be Lobelia pyramidalis Wall. ??

Yes, possible.

Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth : 7 posts by 1 author. 7 images- 5 to 7 mb each.

Location: Shivapuri National Park

Date: 20 January 2020

Elevation: 1450m.
Habitat: Wild

Taking it as L. pyramidalis as per discussions at Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??

unknown flowering shrub : 2 posts by 2 authors. 2 image.
Please does someone know the name of this shrub??
Nepal – Janakpur (NP)

21-10-2018

Underway from Gumdel to Kyama in Number valley at about 2400m

Along the path

One photo overview, one photo habitus of the plant

Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth

Isn’t it Lobelia seguinii
http://nc.biodiv.tw/bbs/showthread.php?t=8428??

Thanks, Bep ji.

Keys from Flora of China are as below:

22 (21)	Leaves glabrous abaxially; hypanthium glabrous; calyx lobes entire.		11 L. seguinii
+	Leaves sparsely hispidulous abaxially; hypanthium scaberulose; calyx lobes denticulate.		12 L. doniana

In view, this plant is Lobelia doniana Skottsb., which is a syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth as per Catalogue of life;
Checklist of Nepal, only reports this one as Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm.

If you say that the Checklist of Nepal, only reports this one as Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm

then it cannot be L. seguinii.

However, my photos were part of a much bigger shrub and what I find of photos of L. Doniana show a rather small plant with a compact flowerhead.

In the link I sent the photos were much more like L. seguinii, especially this one. As is the photo of the flowerhead.
So, I don’t know….

Thanks, …, I do not understand what you want to say ?

I would be very pleased to hear your opinion about my photos and the comparison with the two pictures from http://nc.biodiv.tw/bbs/showthread.php?t=8428
My photos are more alike L.seguinii

I will go with Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm.

Taking it as L. pyramidalis as per discussions at Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??