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Vicoa cernua

Vicoa cernua Dalz., Bombay Fl.: 126 (1861) (syn:  Inula cernua (Dalzell) R.R.Stewart ; Inula dalzellii Hand.-Mazz. ; Jacobaea cernua (Dalzell) Kuntze ; Pentanema cernuum (Dalzell) Y.Ling ; Vicoa gokhalei Gosavi, Madhav, Chandore & S.R.Yadav);
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Indian Subcontinent to China (Yunnan) and N. Thailand: China South-Central, East Himalaya, India, Nepal, Pakistan, Thailand as per POWO;
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Asteraceae for Id 161011 NS 2: 1 image.
This Asteraceae member was photographed at Churdhaar WLS, Shimla back in Dec 2009.

Vicoa gokhalei as per details at Vicoa gokhalei by …

Vicoa cernua Dalz. as per
https://efloraofindia.com/efi/vicoa-cernua/

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Pentanema cernuum (Dalzell) Ling
pen-ta-NEE-muh — Greek: penta (five), nema (thread)… Dave’s Botanary
SER-new-um or SERN-yoo-um — nodding … Dave’s Botanary
commonly known as: nodding pentanema • Marathi: सोनसरी sonsari
Native to: s-w China, Bhutan, India, Nepal
References: Flowers of India • Flora of China • Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar
at Ratangad on 14 JAN 12

Nice one

Vicoa gokhalei as per details at Vicoa gokhalei by …

Vicoa cernua (Syn: Pentanema cernuum), as per discussion at https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/NJ

I am yet not clear as per the
https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.514.3.7 as it only gives summary.

Can we see the full paper?

I do not have access to paper.
I went with Tabish’s ID because I was familiar with the plant as Pentanema cernuum (Dalzell) Ling … now considered as synonym of Vicoa cernua Dalzell
I think some paper recently published may have led to inadvertent change in ID.

Now the ID is restored.

Yes. Vicoa cernua Dalz. as per https://efloraofindia.com/efi/vicoa-cernua/

Images by Alka Khare (Id by Mandar Datar) (Inserted by J.M.Garg) (For more photos & complete details, click on the links)

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Rajgad, Dec 2014 :: Requesting ID – Senecio (?) :: ARKFEB-03/03 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (7)
Please ID these yellow flowers captured at Rajgad near Pune in Dec 2014.
Are they Senecio edgworthii?

efi page on Senecio edgeworthii

Pentanema cernuum (Dalzell) Ling

Interesting observations …
Often these plants are neglected assuming to be Senecio.
Thanks … for the ID
The leaves here definitely look different which must be the differentiating character from the common Pentanema indicum
True, I observed these flowers as different only because at a particular place, they stood beside S. bombayensis and looked completely different.
Else I would have assumed them to be some Senecio…
For a layperson, the Senecios and the like are very difficult to identify/differentiate.

Vicoa gokhalei as per details at Vicoa gokhalei by …

Vicoa cernua Dalz. as per
https://efloraofindia.com/efi/vicoa-cernua/

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Vicoa gokhalei : 1 attachment.
The flower images posted as Pentanema cernuum (which is now Vicoa cernua) by Dinesh Valke, Neha Singh and Alka Khare should actually be of a newly described species Vicoa gokhalei Gosavi, Madhav, Chandore & S.R.Yadav
I am attaching a page from the 2020 paper describing the species. Vicoa cernua has very small ray-florets. The flowers with long ray-florets should be of Vicoa gokhalei

Thank you very much … for leading to this ID, and for the literature.

The flower images mentioned in my post forwarded below, should be of Vicoa cernua (Syn: Pentanema cernuum) only, as per the following paper

As per this paper, Vicoa gokhalei is a synonym of Vicoa cernua. The species which the authors, describing Vicoa gokhale, considered to be Vicoa cernua (the one with virtually invisible ray florets) is now described as a new species Vico sahyadrica.

We have to see the publication before making any final decision.

I had mailed you the paper long back – it appears you have not received it, strangely. I am attaching it here

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Posted by Dinesh Valke in 2013, Neha Singh in 2011 and Alka Khare in 2015 and identified as Pentanema cernuum have been published now as
Vicoa gokhalei in 2020, as per details herein.
This again highlights the treasure trove present in efloraofindia, yet to be discovered.

Yes …, very true

Yes … In fact I had seen this plant in the year 2007 at Vasota fort in Maharashtra.

Very nice dear … !! Matter of pride !!
If possible, you may add your picture(s) of the plant to eFI for sake of records.

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References:
POWO
Vicoa sahyadrica (Asteraceae), a new species from Western India with a note on Dalzell’s Vicoa cernua and Heracleum grandiflorum– MAYUR D. NANDIKAR
& MILIND M. SARDESAI- Phytotaxa 514 (3): 275–286 17 Aug. 2021 (Abstract: Recently described two new species, viz. Pinda shrirangii (Apiaceae) and Vicoa gokhalei (Asteraceae), are reviewed for their taxonomy. An illegitimate Heracleum grandiflorum Dalzell & Gibson (non Steven ex M. Bieb.) is recognised as conspecific with P. shrirangii and proposed as a new synonym of the latter. Vicoa gokhalei is found to be conspecific with V. cernua Dalzell. Consequently, Vicoa cernua sensu Gosavi et al. with inconspicuously ligulate ray florets and more pappose achenes is described here as a new species, viz. Vicoa sahyadrica Nandikar & Sardesai.)
Vicoa gokhalei (Inuleae, Asteraceae), a new species from the northern Western Ghats, India, Phytotaxa, Vol 471, No 3, 2020 (Abstract- A new species of Vicoa, V. gokhalei is described and illustrated from high elevated areas of northern Western Ghats, India. The new species is closely related with V. cernua which is also known from high elevated areas of northern Western Ghats. Along with detailed description, diagnostic characters, phenology, coloured photographs, illustration, ecological note, distribution and identity of the new species and key of Vicoa species for India are provided.)
Updated on February 2, 2025

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