Adelocaryum coelestinum

Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand, Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 13: 549 1915. (Syn. Cynoglossum coelestinum Lindl.; Paracaryopsis coelestina (Lindl.) R.R.Mill; Paracaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) C.B.Clarke);

a-del-oh–KAR-ee-um — Greek: adelo (unknown, secret, or hidden) and karyo (nut)
koh-el-ES-tee-num — Latin: caelestis (heavenly, celestial); sky blue … Dave’s Botanary

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commonly known as: common hill borage, Mahabaleshwar forget-me-not • Marathi: निसुर्डी nisurdi

Names bibliography at https://dineshvalke.blogspot.com/2020/10/adelocaryum-coelestinum-lindl-brand.html

As per efi thread:

The key to Paracaryopsis (Paracaryum in old literature including Cooke) species is :

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Boraginaceae Week :: Adelocaryum coelestinum at Lonavala: Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand

a-del-oh–KAR-ee-um — from the Greek adelo (unknown, secret, or hidden) and karyo (nut)
koh-el-ES-tee-num — from the Latin caelestis (heavenly, celestial); sky blue … Dave’s Botanary

Oct 15, 2010 … near Lion’s Point, Lonavala, Maharashtra
commonly known as: common hill borage, Mahabaleshwar forget-me-not • Marathi: निसुर्डी nisurdi
Endemic to: Oman, n & c Western Ghats (of India)
References: Flowers of India • Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar
more views: Oct 15, 2010 … near Lion’s Point, Lonavala, Maharashtra

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Boraginaceae Week:: Adenocaryum coelestinum:  These Paracaryopsis; Adelocaryum and Cynoglossum are very confusing…….

Frequent name changes. Genus names not uniform in diff books. I never liked them because of this.
The flowers are beautiful though and typical Boraginaceae appearance.
On observing … pictures of this species I dare to call this as Adenocaryum coelestinum.
Pl. validate

Boraginaceae Week :: ¿ Adelocaryum / Cynoglossum ? along Anmod ghat:

Place: along Anmod ghat, Goa-Karnataka border … about 2250 ft asl
Time: October 16, 2011 around 8.00am
Habit: herb
Habitat: along ghat road, mountain slope, forest
Plant height: about 1m high
Flower: about 7 – 8 mm across

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You are right, It looks like Adelocaryum coelestinum (= Paracaryum coelestinum; = Paracaryospsis coelestinum; = Echinospermum coelestinum). Nice photos !

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Kas Week :: DV :: 28 SEP 08 – 0307 :: Adelocaryum coelestinum: Kas plateau … about 4000 ft asl

28 SEP 08
Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand … (family: Boraginaceae)

a-del-oh–KAR-ee-um — from the Greek adelo (unknown, secret, or hidden) and karyon (nut)
koh-el-ES-tee-num — from the Latin caelestis (heavenly, celestial); sky blue … Dave’s Botanary
commonly known as: common hill borage, Mahabaleshwar forget-me-not • Marathi: निसुर्डी nisurdi
Endemic to: Oman, n & c Western Ghats (of India)
References: Flowers of India • Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar

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KAS Week::(Paracaryopsis coelestina-03/10/2012-NJ):  Paracaryopsis coelestina – (Nisurdi-Marathi)

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Kas week : Adelocaryum coelestinum SMP:  Adelocaryum coelestinum
Boraginaceae

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adelocaryum coelestinum, mahabeleshwar: adelocaryum coelestinum, mahabeleshwar

Adelocaryum coelistnum—-for sharing and validation :

Pic of Common Hill Borage, taken at ambyvalley rd. lonavala /mulshi pune in oct12.

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Paracaryopsis coelestina :  Attachments (2). 1 post by 1 author.

Paracaryopsis coelestina
At Kusur platue
16 Aug,2013

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id please : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2).

Which Typhonium?? Id please.

Satara May 2014

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Please keep a watch on this. This will most likely turn out to be the Common Hill Borage. One of my photograph of this is available at this link : Google Groups

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Thanks … for id

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Satara, Oct 2014 :: Requesting ID validation – Boraginaceae :: ARKOCT-06 : 3 posts by 2 authors.

Attachments (8).

Yes it is Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand

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Fwd: ¿ Thyrocarpus glochidiatus ? : 8 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (4)

Had sent this query in a personal mail to …, who forwarded it to then IndianTreePix.
… thus this ID request is incidentally my first query !!!
… had resurfaced it once … did not get any response, possibly for want of details.
Two of my flickr friends – Tony suggested it to be a member of Boraginaceae, few months back … and recently, Tanay Bose says it must be Thyrocarpus glochidiatus.
Earnest request for comment(s).

Date/Time : October 25, 2008 at 11.43am
Location Place : Karnala Bird Sanctuary … Altitude : 104 m ± 3 m … GPS : 18°53’27.01″N, 73° 7’3.50″E ± few seconds.
Habitat : Wild … Type : mixed deciduous forest, under tree-cover
Plant Habit : Herb … Height : about 50 -70 cm … Length : – NO –
Leaves Type : do not know … Shape : do not know … Size : do not know
Inflorescence Type : terminal racemous … Size : about 25 – 30 cm
Flowers Size : about 3 mm … Colour : do not know … Calyx : as in photo … Bracts : do not know
Fruits Type : as in photo … Shape : as in photo … Size : about 3 mm … Seeds : do not know
Other Info :

Fragrance : do not know …  Pollinator : do not know …  Uses : do not know

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I tried it hard to fix, the outside rim with seems to be unique. To me it does not match with link

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Doesn’t it looks like some Paracaryopsis sp.  (Could as well be  Paracaryopsis lambertiana). Just a wild guess..

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… a very good lead, … Was thinking about it, but the size beats me .. This may indeed turn out to be P. lambertiana.

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more than convinced that this plant must be the Lambert’s paracaryopsis,  Paracaryopsis lambertiana … locally known as हिरवी निसुर्डी hirvi nisurdi

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It must be the later phase of the plant i.e. Between flowering and fruiting. So the classic colours of the flowers are not visible here. Also the full fledged fruits are probably yet to to get developed. Many plants in such phases get us bolded out.
Thanks for the interesting thread.

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I took time to answer this, because in the past I have indicated that the identification of the genus Paracaryopsis should not be done without fruit characters together with flowers and good literature should be checked. (thrice if I remember correctly)
Any way, I troubled …, to write me the key and description from Cooke’s Bombay Presidency flora, which acc to me is the most
complete.
OK So the key to Paracaryopsis (Paracaryum in old literature including Cooke) species is :

1. Nutlets glochidiate
2. Stem red, flowers pale blue with a darker centre —- P. coelestinum
2. Stem green, flowers dark blue uniform in colour without a dark centre …… P. malabaricum

Description of fruit of P. lambertianum: Nutlets usually 2, (2 others suppressed) reaching 1/2 by 7/16 in, broadly ovate, flattened, “not
glochidiate on the margins or faces. margin entire, flat, extending in the same plane” as the face or very slightly curved upwards.
As you can see from the key, the plant in picture is certainly not Paracaryopsis lambertiana, as the glochidiate margin of fruit is so nicely seen.
P. lambertianum is strikingly different in this character although matching flowers of Paracaryopsis coelestinum. The key in the Flora of
Maharashtra dicot 2 is WRONG, but the description is correct, although very sketchy. I have seen this species and its non glochidiate winged
fruits in field (Gaganbavda ghat, Kolhapur and Kori Fort, near Ambavane/Lonavala) and also checked in herbarium of BSI Pune circle.

SO the plant in picture is not Paracaryopsis lambertiana. As for what it is, I cannot see the flowers clearly, a back view is not useful at all, and the size appears smaller than Paracaryopsis, but size does not matter so much. It can very well be a small poorly nourished plant of P. coelestinum as it cannot be P. lambertianum or P. malabaricum. But perhaps one should also characters of Cynoglossum, a genus fairly close in general look of Paracaryopsis although the fruits of Paracaryopsis are fairly different than Cynoglossum.
If I visit Pune, I will try to get a picture from herbarium and circulate the fruit picture so that there is no misidentification in future.
Web also has some new paper by R. Mill on this genus, but I have not been able to access it.

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Many many thanks for providing clarity, …
From your review, for sure, the ID is not P. lambertianum or P. malabaricum
The attached photos is all that are available for the ID query … BUT the key elements are missing, thus it may not be possible to know the ID to the species level.
The fruit in the photo appears fairly clear, however not sure whether clear enough for knowing it to be Paracaryopsis OR Cynoglossum OR another grenus.

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… here is a excerpt of response from … (Departamento de Botânica, Faculdade de Farmácia)
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… Regarding the identifications, I could disagree a little in some pictures of P. lambertiana. I  would say that these pictures belong to Adelocaryum colestinum (=P.coelestina), mainly for the glochidiate nutlet. For instance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/2977893065/ …
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…, just as you hunch, this plant turns out to be Paracaryopsis coelestina … the current and accepted name is Adelocaryum colestinum.

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KAS Week DS_091012_07 Adelocaryum lambertianum: 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)

White flower with blue centre – From Kas 22nd Sep 2012.
Second pic is of the plant.

It is Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand as per images herein.

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3 pictures for you : 8 posts by 6 authors. Attachments (3)

Hello friends back from a 2 day trip to Mysore. What is the ID of this herb.

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… species of Paracaryopsis (could be P. coelestina)

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This may not be Paracaryopsis coelestina because the size of flowers here is too small.

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… the flowers here seemed larger for P. lambertiana, but it could be a possibility … not sure.

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Is there any recent nomenclatureal change in this?

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Sure looks like the Common Hill Borage [Paracaryopsis coelestina], but this is not supposed to be the flowering season.

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Many thanks … flowering at this time of year is indeed a surprise.
All aspects: plant, leaf, flower seem small for Paracaryopsis coelestina … there were no larger basal leaves either … unless growing in diminutive form for some reason.
To me, the inflorescence looks different from regular sight of Paracaryopsis coelestina (syn of Adelocaryum coelestinum) OR Cynoglossum zeylanicum (syn. of Cynoglossum furcatum).
Waiting for comments.

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Would like to correct the dimension of flower … it is just about 5 – 7 mm and not 8 – 10 mm as put earlier.

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Matches with images in your other thread (which has been identified as Adelocaryum coelestinum (Lindl.) Brand)

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Thanks … The habit of this plant is unlike the normally taller standing common hill borage, Adelocaryum coelestinum. Comments from those familiar with Adelocaryum / Cynoglossum plants will be helpful.

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Looks like insectivorous plant.  Drosera species?  Need to check

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References:

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