Melia dubia

TSPNOV2015-88-131: Images of Melia dubia (Meliaceae) : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6)

It is my pleasure to share few images of Melia dubia (Meliaceae)  

Habit: A deciduous tree 

Habitat: Wild, occurring in waste lands  

Sighting: Chikmagalur and Tumkur, Karnataka about 800 msl 

Date: 22-02-2015, 23-02-2015 and 29-02-2015

Melia dubia seedling.

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Confusion about lesser known Melia composita or Melia dubia : 1 post by 1 author.

Tree seen at Bannerghatta in Bangalore on 17/3/13.

Can this be Chukrasia tabularis? As you said flowers are not clearly visible.

I too think they are the same tree

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I am sorry. … plant does not look like Chukrasia tabularis.

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Melia composita,  = Melia dubia

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Melia dubia Cav.; Fam: Meliaceae

Cubbonbagh – Bangalore – RA – Is it Spondias pinnata?: I could not get a close shot of anything.

This is Kakad [Garuga pinnata].

Thanks …

A tree seen in Bangalore with very few leaves and green fruits in bunches.

Garuga pinatta or another similar confusing species ?

I thought Melia azedarach

Thanks for the suggested id. Fruits do not look like Juglans nigra to me. Let’s wait for more expert comments.

Now a days I am not unable to  glance through the  mails. I  try  to reply mails sent by … only due to my involvement in some other project work which is taking most of the time. By chance I glanced through the summary today and this mail caught my eyes since it is from Bangalore. For me the tree  is Melia dubia.

Thanks a lot … for the id.

To me it looks like Melia azedarach.

No. It is not M.azedarach. I have seen innumerable  number of tree in Bangalore and Mysore. There are big farms here where they grow M.dubia. Most importantly the fruits are quite characteristic and quite different from M.azedarach.

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How is kadamb?

How long does this tree lives?

I have no idea about the age.

Azadirachta indica syn. Melia azadirachta ‘???????’ – efloraofindia | Google Groups : 23 posts by 8 authors. Attachments (3)

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In “पु. ल. देशपांडे उद्यान” on Sinhagad road A lot of these trees have been planted on Western boundary

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Melia azadirachta and Azadirachta indica are same, latter being the correct name now. The plant uploaded by you is clearly Melia azedarach with bipinnate leaves and more importantly mauve coloured flowers. Former is known as neem and latter Darek (Hindi), Mahanim or Gora neem. The plant uploaded by … seems to have bipinnate leaves and fruits which resemble Melia azedarach, but after I had second look at the plant, it has whitish flowers (like neem) but much more denser. It may turn out to be none of these two species. The margin of leaflets also suggests that.

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… most probably Garuga pinnata …

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Nimbara is correct but it is Melia dubia (syn composita)

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You seem to have found the correct identity. Leaves are clearly bipinnate and white flowers have a greenish tinge, so it can’t be Guruga pinnata.

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This not Kadu nimb or bakana nimb The flowers are whitish and leaves are very light green.

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Thanks … I was wondering about the colour of flower and leaf pattern. I have yet to see this plant. … a nice find.
Melia dubia has been labelled in FFOS as (कडू खजूर)
Melia azadirachta as बकाणा निंब

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Thanks a lot …, I also thanks …

now I can say it ‘Melia dubia’ is called ‘Nimbara’ ‘निंबारा’ in Marathi.

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Please throw light on Bakan the neem with try-pinnate dark green leaves. I have not seen it flowering. The propagation is by root shoot as in Akash neem / Indian cork tree.

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Thanks … for correcting me. It is indeed Melia dubia, not Melia azadirach.

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For many days I was wondering why you had said that “Melia azadirachta and Azadirachta indica are same“ On Careful searching I understood my mistake.
Your sentence is absolutely correct.
The spelling of the other plant with Lilac staminal tube is in fact Melia azedarach L. and not Melia azadirachta which may be many of us were believing like me.

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And if I am not wrong Azadirachta is originated from “Azad Darakht” आजाद दरख्त 

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What does that दरख्त mean?

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Darkht means Big tree in Urdu.

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Yes … You are right about “Azad Darakht”. This is what our Chief Conservator of Forests in J & K had informed us 40 years back. But yes, a small modification Azad means free and not big. The plant grows freely, and would come up though self sowing and no plantation drives are needed. I hope you will agree.

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Thanks …, I said Azad means free and Darakht means Big Tree (in Urdu). Are you aware of more examples like it?

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I would convey when ever I would recollect any. Such things really make interactions interesting. Just to share one or two:

1. I was collecting in Gulmarg forest in Kashmir nearly 38 years back when a local came to me saying that there is a plant known as sarap (snake in kashmiri) buti (plant) under which snake lives and if you pluck that plant the snake would bite. He was taken aback when I opened my bag to show him several plants of Arisaema. And then I told him that it is known as sarap buti (Cobra plant) because the spathe resembles a cobra hood and not that snake lives under it.

2. Second time around same years I was collecting weeds of saffron fields, and had collected several plants of Iris reticulata (which grows only in saffron fields of Pampore in Kashmir, and also in persia) when the saffron grower started accusing me that I had stolen saffron from his field. I tried to convince him that it was not saffron (resemble saffron but flowers are much different and appear in March, whereas saffron flowers in October), but in vain, but it convinced me that this Iris which resembles saffron in leaves as well as the corm like bulbs, would have come with saffron from Persia, which is considered as secondary source of origin of Kashmir saffron. The saffron was originally introduced from France, but it is believed that all corms of saffron were eaten by local people during severe famine in Kashmir, and saffron now in Kashmir was later introduced from Persia. This episode with saffron grower earned me a publication on ”Origin of Kashmir saffron” supported by Iris reticulata and a few more weeds which grow in Persia and Saffron fields of Kashmir and not in Europe.

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Thanks … for sharing valuable experience. I still dream to live such life and contribute to the science in this way. Thanks again.

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Melia azedarach : ……………………..

1) Neem – Pinnate leaf, Pale green flowers, Yellow oblong fruits, Juicy sweet bitter fruits, enjoyed by all birds and even children. Highly valued for medicinal property. Good quantity of oil in seeds. Grows as a huge tree
2) Bakana Neem – Bi-pinnate leaf, Round yellow hard fruits. No juice so useless for consumption by birds or human. Not much oil
3) Bakana – Tri-pinnate leaf dark grren , Never seen flowers or fruits, Propagation by shoots from roots like Indian cork tree. i have seen these trees in Virbha & in IIT Kharagpur.

The plant can have tripinnate leaves and more importantly flowers are creamish white like neem. The plant seems to be growing in South West India. Could any member upload its photographs to complete the series.

Sir in Flora of Mah. by Dr. Almeida Vol I pg 227: Melia composita Willd. Sp. is described.
As mentioned in the volume the same was known as M. dubia Hiern in Hook.f., Fl. Brit. Ind. 1:545,1875 (non Cav.,1789); Talbot, Tress Bombay39, 1902; Woodrow in Journ. Bombay nat. Hist.Soc. 11: 269, 1897. 
The common names mentioned are Kadu-Khajur, Kala khajur, Maha-neem.
The description of Melia composita I quote ” A tall handsome tree. Young branches densely clothed with stellate pubescens, ultimately smooth. Leaves bi- sometimes tri-pinnate, 20-70 cm long; ultimate leaflets 5-11, oposite, 2-8 by 0.6- 4 cm ( the terminal the largest ), from ovate-lanceolate to ovate -rotund, acute or acuminate, entire or crenulate, thinly stellatelt pubescent on both surfaces when young, at length glabrous, base acute or rounded, more or less oblique; main nerves 7- 8 pairs, petioles 3-6 mm long. Flowers greenish white….. Drupes ovoid or ellipsoid, 2.5 – 4 cm long, smooth, yellowish. seed 1 in each cell, smooth, pointed.”
Further in distribution : ” Koina nagar (M.R.Almeida-1344, BLAT), Ratnagiri, Konkan( Graham), Malsiras in Purandhar Taluka (kanitkar), Parghat(Dalzell & Gibson), Raigad (V.D.Vartak), Saptashringi, Ranling.” 
I hope the above helps in getting the third tree pics.

If you have the flora, kindly copy the key here, so that other differentiating features (in addition to flower colour) are known

Yes Sir quoting flora details from Vol I : ” Flowers greenish white, 8 mm long, fragrant, in stellately pubescent, many- flowered branched panicles shorter than the leaves; peduncles long; pedicels short. Calyx stellately tomentose outside, deeply divided; lobes ovate, erect,ciliate. Petals 6 mm long, linear- spathulate, concave, pubescent outside, puberulous within, ciliate. Staminal tube scarcely 6 mm long, slightly expanded at the mouth, 10- toothed ( the teeth bifid), silky puberulous on both surfaces; anthers exserted,pubescent, longer than the teeth. Ovary glabrous 5-celled; style little longer than the staminal tube, overtopped by the apiculate anthers; stigma cylindric, 5- toothed; teeth erect.”

ID request-15022012-PKA1: Seen this Large tree in Matheran-Prabalgad Valley.
Date/Time: 05-02-2012 / 09:30AM
Location: Matheran- Prabalgad Valley, Panvel region, Maharashtra
Habitat: Wild
Kindly help me to identify this one..

Is it Kakda? In marathi?

May be Melia sp

Agreed. This is Kakkad [Garuga pinnata].

I agree with … id: Garuga pinnata.

Garuga pinnata
Very unusual to find this fruiting in Feb. Actually it is the flowering time of this tree in Western ghats.
You remember we have seen this flowering in last Feb near Vasai.
Currently I could spot a lone tree on Mhatoba Tekdi which is flowering at present

Appears more close to Melia dubia rather than those at Garuga pinnata