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Ixora taiwanensis ? : 23 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (10)

This Ixora is dwarf =3 feet, smaller flowers petal less than 1 cm tube about 2.5 cm, petals 4 occasionally 5.

Small leaves = 4-6 cm long 2-3  cm wide, no hairs, fleshy crunchy, pink, red.
Ornamental in my apartment complex, Surat city, Gujarat
Today morning, 02 10 2019

Have you checked comparative images in efi site ?


Yes sir ! First thing I did ! Then only I decided to record and post !

Leaves are smaller, flowers smaller too. Online resources say many shades available.

I too think I have seen white variant. One peculiar trait is, few flowers have 5 petals.


I like the picture 80649 especially, because it lets us compare this tiny Ixora’s inflorescence’s spread of its umbrella with a human finger’s two joints, ie  about 2-3 inches and the description “Fleshy crunchy” for the leaves. its exactly fleshy crunchy…

Yes dwarf Ixora made its inroads a few years ago, we them all too often now a days.


Please look at Ixora coccinea Maui Red; it is a very popular dwarf variety.
I do not see I. taiwanensis listed in The Catalog of Life; might you be referring to I. chinensis?


Hmmm ..!!

Since this plant was smaller. leaves smaller, flowers smaller too,
I looked into EFI Ixora page, did not find a match,
I googled ”dwarf ixora” and it spewed out results all ”Ixora taiwanensis” with matching plant and flowers.
It is not Ixora coccinea Maui Red, neither Ixora chinensis …….both are having
blunt obtuse petal tips.
In EFI there are? posts about ”dwarf Ixora coccinea”, pink one looking same as my post, including occasional pentamerous flower.

What is the final id ?

I could not find Ixora taiwanensis in either The Plant list or Catalogue of Life or Checklist of Taiwan.


Sir, what can I say ? I have put the question mark after the name.

This name is hot cake on internet, but nowhere on botanical sites.

But this Ixora is definitely worthy of a name.


Why not Ixora coccinea ?


Perhaps this would be oversimplifying but, since the plant is part of the landscaping at the Surat apartment complex of one of our esteemed members, please, why not inquire at the management office? They might provide contact information for the landscaper architect who might then provide a list of plants utilized at that property.
Using plant keys is an option but sadly, the information and images provided do not allow for the use of keys beyond an educated guess. We seem to begin with an assumption that this plant is a dwarf – it’s entirely possible that the landscape design team instructed the maintenance crew to keep the Ixora pruned to a height of 3 feet. One cannot know without asking.
Ixora is native to India and nearby countries yet it is cultivated all over the world, many times the plant is hybridized and cloned to produce plants identical in characteristics such as bloom size and color.
In your search on the internet you found that some have blunt, obtuse petal tips and have therefore ruled those out. The internet is flooded with ‘wrong’ images and ‘incorrect’ information. Please may I suggest that you find the original documentation for the registration of the hybrids.
The suggested name Ixora taiwanensis is a misnomer; stating that it is all over the internet only proves how much people copy from others. Some call it I. singaporensis and/or I. chinensis. At least they know the plant is Asian.
Since we are guessing, my best guess would be I. coccinea ‘Dwarf Red’ but if we are taking the scientific approach it would be safer to call this Ixora. sp. until more information is known.


To …, yes, question has come to my mind as well ….after doing some reading, and a little thinking ….like, Tabernaemontana dwarf I see, Hibiscus rosa-sinensis dwarf is there, dwarf rose is available, dwarf tecoma too ….is this Dwarf Ixora coccinea developed in some garden, by some smart gardeners?

I think … should be brought into this discussion. …..

…, there is no landscaper or architect to ask. Gardeners attending them and nursery people call it dwarf Ixora. But I have asked knowledgeable nursery people on facebook. I shall wait for two to three days for their input.


No landscaper? If it was a group of gardeners volunteering their time, they are the landscapers. Also, no Guru needed. Only necessary to visit the local nurseries where plants are most often purchased and inquire what is the currently most popular Ixora of that color. Here in the US we have what we call Master Gardeners and some turn to them for advice – perhaps you have an equivalent group where you live?
Not necessarily developed by smart gardeners in their own garden, but rather hybridised by someone who will have patented the plant or at least applied for a patent. The application for patent will have the most minute details.
Tjoe Foeng Jin applied for patent ‘Pink Pixie’; this plant is now growing in rather too many gardens in Florida and Georgia.
https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP15026P2/en
Other patented Ixora can be excluded due to bloom color such as:
1994 Diana Zaandam’s ‘Diora’ has white blooms
Occasionally, a garden plant will create a sport (I recall my father going into great detail to explain how we should always look for sports); the gardener can, after much work, apply for a patent for what began as a sport.
1995 Fabia C Pitman’s ‘Frankie Hipp’ has white blooms with petals having thin pink margins – it began as a sport on a ‘Nora Grant’ Ixora
After a new Ixora is discovered/developed, one needs a grower and then a supplier. IndiaMart lists several of these:
https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/ixora-plant.html


Guruji is Dr. Gurcharan Singh… ‘Gardeners’ are mostly skilled gardening workmen, nothing more. But I’ll ask around.


https://ajaytaobotanicalblog.wordpress.com/tag/botanical-name-ixora-coccinea/

All these links basically mention that dwarf Ixora is a cultivar of either Ixora coccinea or Ixora chinensis.

One riddle solved. One more to go.


GURU is Gurcharanji our most respected Botanist Taxonomist memer, you must have seen his threads.
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You must one day visit India and I will personally take you around to the nurseries.
you will be amazed how UNLABELLED the plants are even in big nurseries.
And landscape architects? what is that? is the question most apartment builders ask, they looked askance when I asked at some big office complexes in Delhi on one of my visits earlier this year.
The only prolific nursery that studies and labels their plant I find is owned by a palm enthusiast who turned his hobby into a business: the Green Mall in the ganges delta, he even wrote a book.
There are no patents on private hybridization by some gardener.
Most likely it was an agri import from Thailand, that does booming business of selling flowering plants to India, we see shiploads coming in every winter In Bangkok markets I never saw any labels, for daily consumer trade.
Wholesalers may have a more control but don’t know.
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as noted in the patent application, it is reproduced asexually from cuttings, its very easy to reproduce all kinds of ixoras in the hot and humid climes here.
just as it did in the patent application.
Also he claims it was natural mutation in one branch, and so who is to say it did not occur here in India also, could have occurred countless times. many gardeners may have noticed it and grown it and some one took it upon themselves to multiply that ” mistake” ???
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I must at this point also point it out to you as a history buff I have been looking in to the mindsets of many inventors particularly in India :  not to apply for patents, or copy rights.
Dr Jagadish Chandra Bose comes to mind. He never patented his inventions. He had many …. and Macaroni was given credit and patent for radio…. there are many such inventions he never patented. there are countless others form this country, not celebrated. so not easy to find on the internet, only while reading their papers or biographies do I run into them.
Dr Jagadish Chandra Bose was much feted, in Europe and in India.You have I am sure read about him in the Book: Secret life of Plants. Esp Chapter 6
It was and still is very popular.  There was even a movie now a old/bad copy is on utube. Stevie Wonder had a musical CD , actually sountrack fort he original movie..I love it
This spring I saw a great display of them in two remaining bookstores in NYC this summer.
Any body interested in Plants, their life, physiology, growth , their nervous system, their heart and pumping system, their sounds and their ‘Humanity” and compassion should read this book.
many people give copyrights over to community.
Several examples are right here,,,,,, one is Gargji. Look at the photos he has on the creative commons at Wiki is astounding.
second such person is Dinesh VAlke \his photostream on flickr  an here has no copyright.
Our entire website has pictures 99% of which do not display a copyright symbol.. phew too long an answer.

I forget what else I wanted to say. I will type it next if I remember what that was


So much negativity!
I will only apologize that I opted to not read all of your words as it looked more like a diatribe than anything else. The only part I will answer is, what is a landscape architect. Landscape architecture is what I studied for my highest education and I am quite proud of my accomplishment.
Thank you for making me feel like a very low, uneducated, unnecessary person. You have succeeded in making me feel useless to this group. Perhaps my opinions have no value after all.
If the esteemed members of this group no longer wish me to be a member, I will step down.


You are one of the most valuable member of this group. You are so knowledgeable and we have always been benefitted from your guidance.
What you wrote is exactly right from USA point of view.
But in India, there is an all together different eco system and culture (totally different from USA), where hardly anybody cares fro the exact name of the ornamental plants, including the nurseries and gardeners.
Ushadi had seen both in USA and India. She mostly concurs with your views, having seen both the worlds.

My apologies, in case you felt offended in any way.


I thought we were friends, that s why I offered to host you for nursery tours in INDIA.

I thought I was telling you about my frustration with non labeling of plants in nurseries in India.
why should you be offended with that? may be it was not clear about that.
There was no negativity in what I wrote, just the facts that no labels are found in nurseries.
QUOTE “And landscape architects?
what is that? is the question most apartment builders ask,  they looked askance when I asked at some
big office complexes in Delhi on one of my visits earlier this year.
I quote from above:  I was conveying my dismay when the guy looked at me askance .. when I asked about their landscape architect…
there is nothing negative… its their ignorance.
nothing negative about landscape architectural professions in western countries.
I did not know you are a landscape architect. that’s very good, congratulations.
no wonder you are so knowledgeable about what gardens plant what… and have lists etc
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you sent in the patent reference in this case. so …
I was telling about lack of patenting ethos in this country by telling you about DR. JC Bose….
sorry if you don’t want to hear about different ethos.. in different countries. that’ s up to you. I respect that.
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now that I know there is misunderstanding and have tried to explain to clear up the misunderstanding .
do go and read my response again when you feel like it… its actually very interesting, about the book … Secret life of plants and Dr JC Bose’s research.
Knowing you from your responses here I thought you would like Botany related book references that are not in everyday reading lists of many.

do tell me when you read it


I have consulted a very senior and very knowledgeable Horticulture consultant, … from Pune. He is owner of a website Gardentia.net. He stated this specimen is Ixora chinensis, dwarf variety.


Does not matches with the keys given by … based on Manual of Cultivated plants by L H Bailey & Flora of Pakistan at Ixora chinensis from Delhi

I too, am not convinced ….among dwarf plants, there are two type of plants, easily recognised by leaf and petal.

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In this leaf is glossy, vein not depressed, petal tip not pointed rather blunt obtuse.

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In this leaf is not glossy, veins depressed, petal tip pointed.
Color is usually dark green, in this instance color yellowish green enhanced by morning sun.
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Though it would be nice to know its parentage, as is the case with all flowers / plants overly popular in gardening circle, over time too many cultivars and cultigen come into circulation, cultivars of cultivars get developed and somewhere parentage information is lost ! …we may stumble upon desired information by chance somewhere, sometime !!!!
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That is not all. At least one instance I know and see twice a week …a nearly six feet tall plant of ”dwarf” Ixora.



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SK 2404 21 January 2020 : 6 posts by 2 authors. 3 images- 6 to 7 mb each.
Location: Bangkok, Thailand
Date:  07  December 2019 
Elevation: MSL
Habitat: Cultivated
Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. Ex. G. Don. ??

Looks different from Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don as per comparative images and details at ‎Ixora

May be some cultivar of Ixora coccinea L.


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Rubiaceae Week – Ixora from Coimbatore: Sharing the images of Ixora sp. from Coimbatore.

Kindly validate the sp.


Looks I. coccinea



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Ixora : Attachments (1). 6 posts by 5 authors.
Sending a photo of Ixora flower from Panaji, Goa.


It is Ixora singaporensis.


Ixora for sure…. have doubts about singaporensis or chinensis.


I. coccinea looks correct ID!


Ixora coccinea


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