Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp (syn: Senecio analogus DC.; Senecio argunensis var. tenuisectus Nakai (ambiguous synonym); Senecio chrysanthemoides DC. (ambiguous synonym); Senecio chrysanthemoides var. analogus Hook.fil.; Senecio chrysanthemoides var. eustegius Hand.-Mazz.; Senecio chrysanthemoides var. khasianus (C.B.Cl.) Hook.fil.; Senecio chrysanthemoides var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) Hook.fil.; Senecio chrysanthemoides var. spectabilis (Wall. ex DC.) Hook.fil.; Senecio jacobaea D.Don (ambiguous synonym); Senecio laciniosus Wall. (ambiguous synonym); Senecio laetus Edgew.; Senecio laetus var. analogus (DC.) R.Mathur; Senecio laetus var. analogus (DC.) R.Mathur ex Karthik. &Moorthy; Senecio laetus var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) B.S.Aswal; Senecio laetus var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) R.Mathur; Senecio laetus var. spectabilis (Hook.fil.) R.Mathur; Senecio laetus var. spectabilis (Wall. ex DC.) R.Mathur ex Karthik. & Moorthy; Senecio pallens var. khasianus C.B.Cl.; Senecio scapiformis Y.L.Chen & K.Y.Pan; Senecio sisymbriiformis DC.; Senecio spectabilis Wall.; Senecio stipulatus Wall. (ambiguous synonym));
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Myanmar [Burma] (Mandalay), Jammu & Kashmir (Poonch, Kashmir), India (Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh), Pakistan (Kurram, Chitral, Swat, Hazara, Murree), Pakistani Kashmir (Astor, Gilgit, Baltistan), Nepal, Bhutan, China (Guizhou, Hubei, Sichuan, Yunnan), Tibet, Bhutan, Vietnam, Afghanistan (Kunar /Nuristan, Laghman, Paktia / Khost, Parwan) as per Catalogue of Life;
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Cheerful Sececio;
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Tall perennial herb reaching 2 m, glabrous below hairy above, grooved, much branched; leaves alternate, 15-25 cm long, pinnately divided into toothed lobes, terminal lobe largest, irregularly lobed and toothed, basal lobes stem clasping, upper leaves smaller; heads 12-18 mm across, in large spreading terminal corymbs; involucre bracts 10-12, oblong, acute, often tipped dark brown to black; ray florets 10-12, 3-toothed; achenes 2 mm long, strongly ribbed, pappus white.

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02102011-BS-1 Asteraceae plant for id from Deovan area:  Sharing pics of this Asteraceae plant for id from Deovan area
my id is Senecio diversiflorus
pls id


I think S. chrysanthemoides


Yes, Thanks for correction Sir



 

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VoF Week : Senecio laetus:  Senecio laetus of Asteraceae family
Hemkund Saheb, Uttarakhand
15th Aug., 2012



 

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VOF Week 290812_DS_07: Seen on the way to VOF this small bright yellow sunflower like flowers- plenty. Exact Id please.


I hope Senecio chrysanthemoides


I think Senecio raphanifolius ???


I think it is Senecio chrysanthemoides


I also think it is Senecio chrysanthemoides.



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VOF Week: Senecio laetus ?? —- at VoF: Could this be Senecio laetus?? (Family: Asteraceae).
Location: VoF


I think yes


I think it could be Senecio chrysanthemoides


Yes …, S. laetus is new name for S. chrysanthemoides



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VOF Week: Senecio chrysanthemoides from the valley for validation:  This one was shot from more than one place in the valley….hope they all belong to S. chrysanthemoides….


I think yes. Very good photographs



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Wild Flower for ID : Gulmarg,Kashmir : 051112 : AK-2: A small plant with yellow flowers seen growing wild by the roadside in Gulmarg, Kashmir on 11/9/2011.

Some Senecio?


I hope Senecio chrysanthemoides


 

 

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Senecio laetus from Chakrata and Kashmir: Senecio laetus Edgew.Trans. Linn. Soc. London 20(1): 74 74 1846.

syn: Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.
Tall perennial herb reaching 2 m, glabrous below hairy above, grooved, much branched; leaves alternate, 15-25 cm long, pinnately divided into toothed lobes, terminal lobe largest, irregularly lobed and toothed, basal lobes stem clasping, upper leaves smaller; heads 12-18 mm across, in large spreading terminal corymbs; involucre bracts 10-12, oblong, acute, often tipped dark brown to black; ray florets 10-12, 3-toothed; achenes 2 mm long, strongly ribbed, pappus white.

Common in Western Himalayas Photographed from Kashmir and Chakrata



 

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ASTERACEAE Fortnight Part-I Radiate Heads May 1-14: Senecio laetus from Uttarakhand_DSR_28 : Attachments (1). 3 posts by 3 authors.

Senecio laetus Edgew. [=S.chrysanthemoides DC.] is a small perennial herb in temperate and alpine zones of the Himalaya and fairly common in Uttarakhand.


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This one was shot during VOF tour, kindly validate/correct the id… I hope this is Senecio chrysanthemoides….


Very good photographs …



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Senecio chrysanthemoides photographed from Kashmir and Chakrata.



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This one was shot during tour to Valley of Flowers… hope to get id.. can this be Senecio laetus or something else..


Senecio leatus.


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Flora of Himachal Pradesh- Senecio chrysanthomoides from Shimla :  Attachments (2). 4 posts by 4 authors.

Senecio chrysanthomoides from Shimla

Pls validate


I have no doubts about this id..



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Garden Flower for ID : 131011 : AK-1: A garden plant with yellow flowers taken at Pahalgam on the 6th of Sept,11. Senecio?


I don’t think a garden plant, Senecio chrysamthemoides


Had found this in the same garden at Pahalgam, beside the Lidder river where you had identified Cardoon earlier. Pictures were taken one after the other.



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Garden Flower for ID : 131011 : AK-1: A garden plant with yellow flowers taken at Pahalgam on the 6th of Sept,11. Senecio?


I don’t think a garden plant, Senecio chrysamthemoides


Had found this in the same garden at Pahalgam, beside the Lidder river where you had identified Cardoon earlier. Pictures were taken one after the other.



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Senecio chrysanthemoides in Ladakh : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
Further to my comments about the difficulties of identifying Senecio chrysanthemoides and related species, I attach an image of what I understand to be this species taken for me in Ladakh as a slide in the late 1980s/early 1990s, which has been scanned in.
This was one of the first pressed specimens collected by my team during the 1980 University of Southampton Ladakh Expedition – gathered in triplicate, with a set deposited in the herbarium of the University of Kashmir.
This was at 3300m, Panichar, Suru Valley on a grassy verge beside irrigation stream and a barley field in moist loam amongst Trifolium, grasses, Geranium himalayense with bright yellow ray florets, disc florets brown.
Stewart recorded S.chrysanthemoides as common, very variable with the forms NEEDING TO BE STUDIED in cultivation and chromosome counts should be made.  Recorded from Kashmir & Ladakh @ 1700-4000m. Stewart recognised var. analogus and var. sisymbriiformis – saying this was common on high pastures in Kashmir as it is avoided by grazing animals.
Flowers of the Himalaya state that S.chrysanthemoides is found in shrubberies and open slopes, common & often gregarious @ 2400-4000m from Pakistan to SW China.
Flora of Lahaul-Spiti does not record S.chrysanthemoides but has S.laetus with var. laetus common on moist slopes and along glacial streams at Khoksar.  Also var. sisymbriiformis (DC.) Aswal comb.nov. (syn. Senecio chrysanthemoides var. sisymbriiformis and obviously a mistake but rather glaring to be printed, SISYMBRIUM sisymbriiformis) which the authors say is common on moist slopes and along streams at Kirting.
Collet in ‘Flora Simlensis’ found S.chrysanthemoides common at Shimla and Mahasu.
Himalayan Plants Illustrated has a photo of S.laetus Edgew. with S.chrysanthemoides DC. as a synonym.
BUT Dickore & Klimes do NOT list S.chrysanthemoides from Ladakh. although the species remains an ACCEPTED name – at least in ‘The Plant List’.  Nor do they list S.laetus.
So which of the species listed by them was previously known as S.chrysanthemoides – after all the specimens from the 1980 expedition were named at Kew and thus we can assume was correctly identified and in line with the thinking at that time – albeit some 37 years ago.
They list S.dubitabilis, which if the illustrations and specimen which can be accessed through ‘The Plant List’ are correct, this cannot be confused with what used to be S.chrysanthemoides and may be what Stewart knew as S.desfontanei (common in dry areas from the plains to
3000m in Ladakh).
I CANNOT find any meaningful information about Senecio korschinskyi. which Dickore & Klimes do list but have just spotted Senecio ladakhensis Chowdhery, Uniyal, Mathur & Rao.  This species was published in the Indian Journal of Forestry (13[4] 366-67  in 1990).  If any members have ready access to this would they share the information with us particularly how it is.  I am particularly interested in which species of Senecio this NEW species might have been mistaken for in the past?
Strange that it was published back in 1990 yet Dickore & Klimes did not include it in their check-list of Ladakh plants in 2005.
This is the first I have heard of S.ladakhensis.  Just goes to show that unless one works at an International Institution, which has copies
of such publications as The Indian Journal of Forestry, such NEW species are easily missed – for decades!   And unless the species is covered
elsewhere, is virtually UNKNOWN……  This species may not be similar to S.chrysanthemoides.
Yes, it appears (with a VAST number of other species) in the List of Senecio species but that appears to be it. But it is 2017, some 27 years AFTER publication that I have come across this name. There appear to be no pressed specimens of S.ladakhensis at Kew or Edinburgh. SURELY, it makes sense for those in a senior position in Indian botany to ensure reference specimens of NEWLY described species in India are sent to the major herbaria interested in Indian flora.  Has this been happening?  Kew and Edinburgh have a tradition of interest in Himalayan Flora.  IF NOT, it contributes to isolation.  Surely, after NEW species have been published a team could be sent to gather more pressed specimens (and to access to abundance or not of the species in the district it was found) which could then be distributed abroad….   IF it has not been happening, then WHY NOT?   Surely, the nearest University or Institution with a herbarium, to the location where the NEW species has been found, would wish to have reference specimens for that Institution, so could undertake the collection of fresh specimens. All this makes sense to me – any such collections/surveys could readily be combined with other survey work. AFTER all, GREAT significance seems to be attached to the ‘discovery’ of ‘NEW’ species….  But IF the world knows nothing about such species…..

In this day age (not the case back in 1990) surely, some national organisation in India could publish images and descriptions of ALL new species recorded from India which THE WORLD could readily access for COMPARATIVE purposes?   In the past, species DESCRIBED in writing only within journals or listed in floras – where it was impossible to check the reliability of identifications, caused problems of INTERNATIONAL validation, particularly if those publishing the species had NOT checked with specialists in the West PRIOR to publication.


Please go through the pdf (in the link) to understand why taxonomy is at the suffering end due to certain govt rules.
http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_094_02_0170_0171_0.pdf
Today, I can not send even a single specimens for confirmation of identity/ novelty outside India without permission (which are hard to obtain and demand high fees too).


Thanks very much for drawing my attention to the article ‘Death sentence on taxonomy in India’ – BRAVO to the authors for “speaking up and out”. Much Needed.
I shall  be commenting further – on what is SUCH a serious situation, especially ON TOP OF 70 years of botanical isolation since Indian Independence. It is noteworthy that both Pakistan and Nepal have collaborated Internationally MUCH better than India, such that despite a FRACTION of the manpower and resources of India, their ‘Himalayan Flora’ is known to a higher standard than India’s – the same can even be said for the decidedly isolated Kingdom of Bhutan!   Those devising and implementing such “rules and regulations” have NO interest or concern about the study & conservation of Indian’s flora – which can only suffer FURTHER.

Looks like we are heading into an era when the likes of Donald Trump rule.  IGNORANCE RULES OK!. The idea that such measures help PROTECT India’s flora is a NONSENSE. Their ONLY concern is not MISSING OUT on their cut of any POTENTIAL PROFITS……


 

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Senecio laetus ABSEP2017/10 : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8)

These plants were growing on downslope away from me. I did go down a little way to get nearer but couldn’t go farther without taking unnecessary risk. From what I saw, I can guess it to be Senecio laetus (syn: S. chrysanthemoides). Col. Collett mentions the purple of the leaf undersurfaces like in my sample. Please advise.

Senecio laetus (syn: Senecio chrysanthemoides)?
Above Triund, Dharamshala, HP
3100m approx.
16 Sep. 2017

Yes …, very nice pics..!!



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Id request for the Asteraceae member. : 8 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)

Id requested?

Arunachal Pradesh.
18.8.17

I think Senecio sp.

Senecio graciliflorus


Thanks, … These appear more closer to images at Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.  rather than those at Senecio graciliflorus (Wall.) DC.


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SK868 21 NOV-2017:ID : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)
Location: Dangsing, Kaski, Nepal
Altitude:9600 ft.

Date: 18 November 2017  

Senecio again .???
Image Credit : Sameer Kasaju

Pl. check images at Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.

Thank you … Nepali Name : बिजौरी फूल Bijauree Phool



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Fwd: SK866 21 NOV-2017:ID- 2 : 1 post by 1 author.
Location: Dangsing, Kaski, Nepal
Altitude:9600 ft.

Date: 18 November 2017  

Senecio again .???

Pl. check images at Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.

Thank you … Nepali Name : बिजौरी फूल Bijauree Phool



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Senecio chrysanthemoides ATDEC2017/0 : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Senecio chrysanthemoides
Hatoo, Narkanda (Shimla)
3400m
October 2017

I think yes


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VoF Week : MN010912_1 Senecio chrysanthemoides:

Senecio chrysanthemoides

Place : Valley of Flowers, Uttarakhand

Date : 14.08.2012



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Senecio chrysanthemoides AT/May 2019/07 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1) – 448 kb.
Plant: Senecio chrysanthemoides
Pollinator: Indian/Himalayan Tortoiseshell (Aglais caschmirensis aesis)
Hatoo Peak, Narkanda, District Shimla (H.P.)
October 2017



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SK1101 23 APR-2018 : 8 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (9)- around 800 kb each.

Location:  Godawari, Nepal  
Date: 18 April 2018
Altitude: 5000 ft.
Habit: Wild 

Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.  ???
What does the CoL says ?

Also check with images at Senecio raphanifolius Wall. ex DC.


I guess the elevation does not match as well the flowering period according to the efi and also not listed in Kathmandu valley as per the book.

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Senecio raphanifolius? ABAUG2017/06 : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5)

I started seeing this just above Ilaqa at 3300m approximately and then kept on finding it up to about 3600m. I am not sure if I am identifying it correctly. Please advise.
Senecio raphanifolius?
Above Ilaqa, Dharamshala, HP
3300m and above
28-29 July 2017

I sent the first photo (Oxyria digyna) by mistake with this set. Please ignore it. Apologies for the confusion.


To me also appears close to images of … at Senecio raphanifolius


I think it may be Jacobaea analoga as per images and details at Jacobaea

Flora of China gives distribution as Bhutan, China, NE India, N Myanmar, Nepal for Senecio raphanifolius Wallich ex Candolle as also Annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal



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Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).

Perhaps Nannoglottis hookeri,  a guess – ref: A. Stainton.


Nannoglottis hookeri is a great choice

Thanks, …
But Concise Flowers of Himalayas by Oleg Polunin & Adam Stainton shows its range from West Nepal to South East Tibet.

Nannoglottis hooker (Clarke ex Hook.f.) Kitam. is based on Doronicum hookeri Clarke ex Hook.f. which has short robust simple stems with amplexicaul leaf bases.

To me this looks to be some species of Inula


Thanks, … Can it be Inula obtusifolia as per details in Concise Flowers of Himalayas by Oleg Polunin & Adam Stainton ?


I don’t know of any Inula with pinnnately lobed leaves. It may perhaps be a species of Senecio.


This has to be some Senecio !


it is most probably Senecio chrysanthemoides


Jacobaea analoga is correct ID.



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3 posts by 2 authors.

This small herb was shot from Gori Valley arealooks like Senecio sp…please help to id..


Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp ??


Thanks, … Yes, seems close as per images at Jacobaea analoga


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VoF Week :: DV :: 31 JUL 12 – 1228 :: Senecio ¿ raphanifolius ? at Auli:  31 JUL 12
Auli … 8750 – 9000 ft
Habitat: sloping meadow
Habit: herb about 40 – 50 cm high, flower 20 – 25 mm across (not sure, could be lesser)


The most crucial feature identifying S. raphanifolius is reddish brown pappus. Perhaps a fruiting head would have helped. Also the species is very near to S. chrysanthemoides and also differentiated by 12-16 ray florets as against 8-12 in S. chrysanthemoides. I can count mostly 9-12.


Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp  according to images from efi and link  GBIF    POWO  ???


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Senecio sp. for identification (Jacobaea analoga ?) – YS Apr2020/01 : 10 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4) – around 1 mb each.
Please help to identify this Senecio sp. It looks similar to Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp (syn.- Senecio laetus Edgew. & S. chrysanthemoides DC., according to ‘Catalogue of Life’).
Another match is Jacobaea raphanifolia (Wall. ex DC.) B.Nord. (syn.- Senecio raphanifolius Wall. ex DC.).
Date of Photo – 28th Sept., 2019
Place – Jalori Pass, Himachal Pradesh.

Thanks, …, for the wonderful presentation.
What was the altitude?


Thank you for appreciating …

Altitude was 3000-3500 metres, as told by locals.


Yes, two appears to be quite close.
Flora of China give the following keys:
79 (78) Capitula large, involucres 5-7 × 8-15 mm; ray lamina 9-12 mm (80)
+ Capitula small, involucres 3-6 × 3-7 mm; ray lamina 4.5-9 mm (82)
80 (79) Pappus reddish brown, scant in ray florets, 4-5 mm. 46 S. raphanifolius
+ Pappus white, abundant on all florets, ca. 6 mm (81)
81 (80) Bracts of calyculus 10-12; ray lamina ca. 9 mm. 43 S. multibracteolatus
+ Bracts of calyculus 2-6; ray lamina ca. 12 mm. 49 S. ambraceus
82 (79) Basal and lower stem leaves lyrate, with comparatively large, broad, dentate terminal lobes. 44 S. analogus
+ Basal and lower stem leaves pinnatisect, with small, narrow terminal lobes (83)
Keys in Flora of Bhutan :
6. lnvolucre 5-10mm diameter; phyllaries 5-7.5mm: ligules 7-12 >< 2-4.5mm; pappus reddish. absent from ray flowers or reduced and caducous …. 4. S. raphanifolius (syn. of Jacobaea raphanifolia (Wall. ex DC.) B.Nord.)
+ lnvolucre 3.5- 5mm diameter: phyllaries 3.5-5mm: ligules 4—7 >< l.5—2.5mm: pappus whitish or reddish. usually present and unreduced on ray flowers . . . . .. 5. S. laetus (syn. of Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp syn. Senecio chrysanthemoides DC.)
Pl. also see FoC illustration.

Pl. check.


However, Flora of China gives distribution as Bhutan, China, NE India, N Myanmar, Nepal for Senecio raphanifolius Wallich ex Candolle as also Annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal 

Thank you …, for providing the key. I have checked the key and illustration. I think images only are unsatisfactory as I can not measure the size of floral parts. But as I tried some estimation for involucre size and illustration on FOC, it looks more like S. raphanifolius, but distributions provided by FOC restricts it only to NE India and S. analogus has NW India in its distributional records.
So this all seems unsatisfactory, chances are likely to be S. raphanifolius.


Pl. see Jacobaea analoga and Jacobaea raphanifolia


Any further views, …?


Sir, though I cannot follow the key provided by you from FOC, as I can’t measure size of the parts required, it could be J. analoga according to the distributional status provided by FOC.
Further investigation needed sir, either size measurement or any literature which shows if J. raphanifolia is reported from NW India.


I think may be Senecio chrysanthemoides DC. only as per GBIF
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Senecio (Asteraceae) collected in Jammu & Kashmir State : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)

Please find attached the images of Senecio (Asteraceae) collected in Jammu & Kashmir State. Thank you very much for your help.


Likey, Jacobaea analoga (DC.) Veldkamp (syn: Senecio analogus DC.), kindly validate.


Yes, appears to be Jacobaea analoga as per comparative images at Jacobaea


 


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