Nymphaea × omarana Bisset, Gard. Tr. 8: 96 1895. ;
  
July & Aug 2012 water lily at my home at Pune. Has flowered twice after I got it in July.
I noticed a peculiar thing about its opening time in Aug when it flowered. It opened at around 6.00 pm in the evening and closed the next day between 11.00 am & 12.00 noon. It had a very nice fragrance and many wasps were getting attracted towards it. It withered after 3 days and the stem almost retracted downwards making the flower almost submerged in water. It has not flowered again after Aug. Which Nymphaea sp is this?


Please check with Nymphaea omarana Hort. ex Gard.


Many thanks … for the Id. After you gave the Id I now understand that it is a night blooming water lily.

 

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Requesting to please provide ID of this lily captured at Bengaluru, Lalbagh in November 2013.


Nymphaea – species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)


I hope N. pubescens


This first photograph (Lalbagh1) here too shows two types of leaves, the one near the peduncle is not toothed.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


Attached are pictures of a Nymphaea species captured at Jijamata Udyan, Mumbai in January 2014.
Requested to please provide the ID.


Please check the “ARKOCT-07” thread.


Nymphaea pubescens I hope


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.



Requesting to please ID this plant captured in Jijamata Udyan, Mumbai in January 2014.
Is it Nymphaea rubra?


Could be Nymphaea pubescens.


These may be useful in identification:
This has been identified as Nymphaea x omarana by … here.

 

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Sharing the images of  Nymphaeaceae for id. confirmation… from Chennai.


Nymphaea species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)


I think this is either N. pubescence or N. lotus var. pubescence.


Nymphaea nouchali Burm.f.(= N. stellata Willd)


Toothed leaf margins N. pubescens


It can be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein. But can not be confirmed as stamens are not visible.

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Nymphaea pubescens Willd., Sp. Pl. 2: 1154. 1799.

The plant with red flowers, often regarded as distinct species was growing in the same pond in Herbal Garden, Punjabi Bagh, New Delhi.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.

I would go with N. pubescens


Images 30, 37 and 40 should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.
Other are of N. pubescens  

Requesting to please provide ID of this water lily captured in a private pond at Mumbai in April 2013.


It is interesting that the both the two photographs show two types of leaves, one is dentate while the other is crenate. If they belong to same plant it should be a hybrid cultivar! And we have again Longwood Gardens there – http://plantexplorer.longwoodgardens.org/weboi/oecgi2.exe/INET_ECM_DispPl?NAMENUM=32634&DETAIL=1!


I think N. pubescens only.


It is Nymphaea nouchli Burm f


Yes Sir, leaves are not two types, it was my optical illusion created by slightly raised margin, in both the threads of … I have mentioned.

Thank you for drawing my notice for one more time.
But, it is rather close to N. rubra Roxb. ex Salisb., as per http://archive.lib.cmu.ac.th/full/T/2008/biol0708wl_ch3.pdf


In N. nauchali leaves are entire or crenate but never sharply toothed. However, close up of flower, especially anthers should clinch the issue. In N. nauchalii they are distinctly appendaged at tip


Thank you Sir, I never meant nouchali I was thinking of cultivar or hybrid!


Thank you again … for the ID….N. pubescens it is then.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.

 

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Nymphaea sp. from Assam KD 03 Oct. 2017 : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)

Attached images may be Nymphaea pubescens Willd. Please validate.
Date :13.10.2017
Location: Assam
Family : Nymphaeaceae
Genus & species : Nymphaea pubescens Willd( ??)
Habitat: Grows wild on pond
Habit :  Aquatic herb
 


efi page on Nymphaea pubescens with images

Here in south we will consider the water lily with teethed leaf as Nymphaea nouchali Burm.f.


To me it is Nymphaea pubescens.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.

 

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For confirmation. : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Nympheae nouchali ????

Location- Sagar, Karnataka (Wghats)


Thanks, … Pl. check comparative images of water lilies in efi although difficult with this image.

Most likely to be due to Leaves being with spinous – dentate margins as per Keys available at Flora of China, Flora of Pakistan and BSI Flora of India  


It can be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein. But can not be confirmed as stamens are not visible.


 

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I attach more photographs, KEY in BP & BoBO and entry of N. lotus in FI, because, though I titled the thread as I found post of same species (?) in efi, I think the accepted name of N. rubra should be sorted out to help identify other red coloured ones. More so because … has identified a red coloured in the thread as N. pubescence. More similar looking species ids pending.

With limited knowledge, experience, resources I am confused with what I found in FoC FoP FoNA GRIN TPL.
Combining all the above efloras with Prain and Haines I think we should follow FoC – http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200007088 
I request … and others in the rank……… to take care and inform us what should we follow.
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…, Yes, i add my voice to …s

We definitely need a well thought out disscussion and may be a key

I somehow think …. had made a key a few years ago… but cant be sure

so a discussion now would be appropriate… tonnes of hybrids in france, england and usa for the last 100+ years and privacy/secrecy by the authors of such hybridization does not help in simplification..

still…. this request


Some related literatures –

As per the document in the first link above this should be N. rubra Roxb, ex Salisb., the accepted name of which might be N. rubra Roxb. ex Andrews


Agreed both The Plant List and GRIN consider N. rubra as distinct species, but having seen and reported huge number of errors in The Plant List and Limited coverage by GRIN, I prefer to follow eFl of China being latest of all Floras, and MULTILINGUAL MULTISCRIPT PLANT NAME DATABASE Sorting Plant Names, both of which treat N. rubra as synonym of N. pubescens. I have seen plants with both red and white flowers growing in the same pond in Delhi and I could not detect any differences other than flower colour. Besides my observation were very similar to eFl of China    “Nvmphaea rubra Roth. is sometimes treated as an independent species. Canard, The Water Lilies: Monog. Genus Nymphaea 199.1905 distinguished Nymphaea rubra Roxb. from Nymphaea pubescens Willd. on the basis of colour of flowers and size of the leaves. In the former species, the flowers are pink with larger leaves and in the later species the flowers are white with smaller leaves. However, we have seen the plants with white flowers and larger leaves or vice versa. Therefore, Nymphaea rubra Roxb. is treated here as a synonym of Nymphaea pubescens Willd.”


Thank you very much Sir. But, besides the colours of sepal and petal there are differences in lamina and anther (not seen in my pictures) colour too. If we follow FoC why don’t we use Nymphaea lotus var. pubescens (Willd.) Hook. f.. & Thomson? There is also an end note in FoC – 

It can be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein. But can not be confirmed as stamens are not visible.
 

I have used the name as found in FoC. This may be cultivated, found today beside a busy dusty road near Uttarpara.


This needs some further investigation. N. pubescens is characterised by sharply dentate leaves (which it has) and pubescent leaf under surface (it is glabrous here). Can you check with original description of N. rubra for leaf under surface.


Thank you Sir, i have also noted the point (leaf under surface), that is why i followed the FoC where the site informs, “cultivated forms of var. pubescence with red flowers, originating from India….”, thinking that cultivated forms may have variable character (s). 
However, Flora Indica records –
1) N. rubra R. : Leaves sub-orbicular, margins sharply sinuate-toothed, downy underneath. Flowers red…… A native of India. It flowers during the rainy season, In Bengal there is a smaller rose coloured variety (differs in numbers of stamens & stigma rays).
2) N. lotus Willd.. 2. 1153 : Leaves orbicularly peltate, sharply sinuate toothed, downy underneath….. It differs from N. rubra in the colour of the flowers only. There is a beautiful rare variety with pink coloured flowers….. the white sorts is found common in pools,… it flowers more or less the whole year……
3) N. versicolor R. : Leaves oval, peltate, repand-dentate…. A native of Bengal, …two varieties, …one pure white and the other pink of various shades.
Compared to above entry by Haines :-
N. lotus L. : Leaves usually pubescent beneath…. (two var.) lotus proper and rubra
Compared to above the author(s) of http://archive.lib.cmu.ac.th/full/T/2008/biol0708wl_ch3.pdf informs (in Thailand) leaves of N. rubra Roxb. ex Salisb. orbicular, dark reddish both above and below, becoming greenish above with age, below pubescent; veins about 9 pairs….
Attached here larger photographs for your perusal.
Thank you very much for taking care.


Nymphaea rubra Roxb. ex Andrews 


Thank you …, thanks to … I have developed a doubt if we have any N. rubra in our database at all, in fact none of the posts shows red flowers, all are shades of pink, only the one by Balkar Sir may be called close to red (anthers only).

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This set of photographs are from a place near Burdwan, recorded today. This may be the same species as the originals in this thread. The only difference is leaves are both red or green or reddish green.

This is semi-wild, semi in the sense that one villager says, “Years ago we had planted one plant collected elsewhere, thereafter it covered the entire pool.” 
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It is known as Neel Kamal in Hindi.


We have spent quite some time on finding what is Nymphaea rubra Roxb. ex Andrews. Now BSI will help us find – http://efloraindia.nic.in/efloraindia/taxonList.action?id=1592&type=3.

I hope this is the species we were looking for.
And as I wrote in my earlier reply – this thread https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/JdflalC07Kg/FkzRNND-8s0J too.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


 

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Nymphaea rubra (Red water lily)
Hindi, Marathi : Lal Kamal
Place : Bhopar gaon, Dombivli
Date : 30.09.2012


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.



 

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Sharing the pictures of Nymphaea rubra
Family : Nymphaeaceae
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It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.



 

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It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


 

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Nymphaea rubra L. (Nymphaeaceae)
Leaves round, sharply toothed. Sepals usually four, petals many; stigma 10-20 rayed. A beautiful and very varied species with reddish leaves, before forming floating leaves the plant forms many underwater leaves.
Flowering throughout the year. 


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


 

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Attached images may be Nymphaea rubra Roxb. ex Andrews from Assam. Please validate.
Date :13.10.2014
Location: Assam
Family : Nymphaeaceae
Genus & species : Nymphaea rubra Roxb. ex Andrews ??
Habitat: Grows wild with  Ipomoea aquatica Forssk.  
Habit : Aquatic herb      

A beautiful presentation…thanks..

It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein. 


 

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Pink Water Lily : Delhi : 081012 : AK-3:  A Pink Water Lily seen at a home garden in Delhi on 5/11/2008.

Leaves were brown in color.


May be Nymphaea omarana Hort. ex Gard.


Also looks like Nymphaea rubra – a common water lily


… is right. It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


Fwd: RABINDRASANGIT : BEE-4 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1)
Here is another translation by Akashik. Bee is mentioned in this song.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.


 

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SK960 26 JAN-2018 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5)

Location: Bali, Indonesia
Altitude: 60 ft.
Date: 11 June 2014 
Nymphaea ….???


Yes. It is. 


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein. 

SK7332 17 SEP-2017:ID : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)

Location: Kolkata, India
Date: 8 September 2017
Elevation : 25 ft.


Some water lily.


Yes, it is !


Most likely to be Nymphaea × omarana, which is cultivated there. 


 

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Nelumbo nucifera
Pune


Please reconsider the id, this doesn’t look like Nelumbo nucifera, should be a Nymphaea sp.


It should be Nymphaea × omarana Bisset as per images and references herein.  


   

6 pictures for you – indiantreepix | Google Groups (mixed thread):  Beautiful water lillies in sanjeeviaha park hyderbad

 

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Dattaji Salvi Udyan  Thane

Date: April 8, 2018 … Altitude: about 11 m (36 feet) asl  
Nymphaea ¿ nouchali ? 
Dear friends,
Please help me with the species; not sure whether I will ever be comfortable with water lilies!


Nymphaea Omarana as per 


Nymphaea pubescens in FOI : 6 posts by 1 author.
Nymphaea pubescens in FOI should be Nymphaea × omarana as per details and references herein.

You have to correct this.  


Not corrected so far in FOI


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Nymphaea rubra in FOI : 8 posts by 2 authors.
Nymphaea rubra in FOI should be Nymphaea × omarana as per details and references herein


Thanks for pointing out numerous corrections on water lilies. Garden hybrids are indeed more difficult than true species 


…, you have to correct it in FOI.  


Not corrected so far in FOI


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