Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu, J. Indian Bot. Soc. 49: 183 1970 publ. 1971.;
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W. Himalaya as per WCSP;
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Common name: Watt’s Bellflower
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SK 3037 12 October 2021: 10 very high res. images.
Location: Jumla, Nepal
Altitude: 2561m.
Date: 18 August 2021
Habit : Wild
I guess this is the same UNID sp from Jumla: efi thread


I hope Campanula cana


I am not sure


Maybe. Pl. check comparative images as there are many similar looking species.


Looks bit different. Even sp. of … is pending !


This Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu as per images and details herein.


It is matching I guess !


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Requesting to please validate ID of this tree flower growing in a rock crevice near Manali, HP in October 2014.
Is this Campanula pallida var. tibetica?


I agree with you about the identification of the plant


It may be Campanula cana


I had seen Campanula palida at Chakrata which was having blue -coloured corolla and pinkish stamens.This one looks almost the same species.


Thanks … for the feedback…Hoping to get some further comments for validating the ID…

The foliage and other vegetative characters not clear! A few close- up photographs may help us along with the fruits. Without these I feel it would be difficult to identify the plant.


Pl. check with Campanula argyrothicha as per FoP illustration & GBIF
I feel it may be close.

I guess ID is correct Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex A.DC. !


Thank you … for the correct ID and … for validating.


Please see an image of Campanula wattiana in the link of Flowers of India- Flowers of India
I think images of … are more closer to C. wattiana than C. argyrotricha.


Can you tell me the elevation please !


Thanks, … Yes, seems to match with specimens at GBIF.


May be around 6000 ft.


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Id of flower ID 20062013SH3 : Attachments (1). 5 posts by 2 authors.
Posting photo for Id of this flower
Date / Time – 06.10.2009
Location – Chakrata
Habitat – Wild

In my view it is Campanula palida.


I checked few images of Campanula palida on web. Looks very similar, but the stalk of the posted flower is very peculiar -sort of emerging from ovary and the calyx in Campanula palida is very conspicuous unlike in the posted image.


Campanula wattiana Nayar & Babu


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Campanulaceae & Gentianaceae Fortnight: Campanula for ID from Himachal : GSG-02 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
Kindly help in identification of the species…

May be Campanula canna


Is it Campanula palida ?


Campanula wattiana Nayar & Babu


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Fwd: Campanula cana – the true species in H.P. : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Sorry but the entries under C.cana in eFI at present do NOT match my understanding of that species.
Stewart does not include it in his Catalogue nor is it mentioned in Campanulaceae for Pakistan.
Back in 1989 a colleague of mind found a Campanula near the bottom of the Rohtang Pass.  He initially assumed it was Campanula cashmeriana but having seen this species in Kashmir, it was clear to me that they did not match.  I have some images of this in cultivation which I plan to post at some point.
After some time I reached the conclusion that the plant in the upper Kulu Valley was C.cana – even though it had not been recorded previously West of what was Kumaon.
There has been much confusion about the smaller-flowered Campanulas in the Himalaya.  Flora Simlensis included Campanula canescens (which Stewart gave as a synonym of C.benthamii) and C.cana under C.colorata – which is now a synonym of C.pallida.
See: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000814540  for a herbarium specimen at Kew – although low resolution, you can clearly see differences with the specimens named C.cana on eFI.
See:  http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/ for a high resolution image which one can zoom into.
However, it seems to me that not all specimens at Edinburgh match well with my understanding of this species -nor do some of the images available on the internet.
All this requires further study.
Hopefully the additional images I will post shall provide supporting evidence for my thinking.

Thanks, …
Pl. the following links on Flora of China for Campanula cana:

I am in FULL agreement that what I currently understand to be C.cana does NOT tally/match with the images you have provided links to.
I have high regard for the work of Professor Bouffard at Harvard but occasionally the same type of images from China of species I am familiar with from the borderlands of W.Tibet do not match well his/his team’s images (this is for other species belonging to different genera).
I do have an image (a colour print) which I intend to look out and scan in (which was published in a past journal of the Himalayan Plant Association) of what I consider is Campanula cana in cultivation. This I can then post.
Seems to me that the genus Campanula (like so many others) is need of revision in the Himalaya (and bordering regions).
IF, what I consider to be C.cana, is not, then it certainly belongs to a different taxon to the plant illustrated in the links you provided.

Campanula wattiana Nayar & Babu ??


Yes, appears so.



Juphal; central nepal 2500m
next to footpath; non cultivated Plant
Height; ca 25 cm
Leaves  hairy
Flower: typical campanula
Suggestion: Campanula pallida
Altitude: ca 2900m
Flowering period: october

Does not match with any species so far in efi site at Campanula
I think it is close to Campanula argyrotricha Wall. ex DC. as per Flora of Pakistan FoP illustration GBIF  Checklist of Nepal
I have also checked keys in Flora of Bhutan and other species listed in Checklist of Nepal

I guess you are right …


I looked at the site

but my plant was about 25 cm and not growing in crevices of the rocks.
So I doubt if its OK

Thanks, … Possibly we have to have a relook at our images on the given page.
Hi, …, May I request you to pl. have a relook at your images of this plant in efi site.


The plant in question is not C. argyrotricha in my opinion. It is not alpine plant and  the elevation mentioned (2500m) do not match. Plant seems too robust and leaves too thick to be C. argyrotricha.
It may be a species not represented in eFI; like C. wattiana.


May I request you to pl have a look at per Flora of Pakistan FoP illustration GBIF  Checklist of Nepal

Based on FoP illustration & GBIFI am sure that posted plant is C. argyrotricha   

I also does not seem to match with Campanula wattiana as per Flowers of India and GBIF

A new species?


I will finally go with Campanula wattiana B.K.Nayar & Babu as per images and details herein.
… plant is only slight more woolly from images of … at SK 3037 12 October 2021, other characters perfectly match.


Thanks for the final decision.


 

 


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References: Catalogue of Life  The Plant List Ver.1.1  World Flora Online  WCSP  IPNI  GBIF (High resolution specimens) POWO  Flowers of India  India Biodiversity Portal  IBIS Flora

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