Cucumis melo L. subsp. agrestis (Naudin) Pangalo var. agrestis Naudin, Ann. Sci. Nat., Bot. sér. 4, 11:73. 1859 ;
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KOO-koo-mis
— from the Greek kykyon, meaning cucumber
MEL-oh — an apple-shaped melon
ag-RES-tiss — of or belonging to fields Dave’s Botanary
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commonly known as: senat seed, small gourd, wild musk melon • Gujarati: કચરી kachari • Hindi: कचरी kachari, कचरिया kachariya • Konkani: चिबडिण chibdin • Marathi: शिंडे shinde • Nepalese: gurmi • Rajasthani: कचरी kachari
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Native to: Asia, tropical Africa
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Much branched herb with 3-5 lobed leaves, 9-12 mm across yellow flowers and oval to ellipsoid fruits, light green with dark green patches.
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May be confused with Citrullus colocynthis but latter has leaves deeply lobed with narrow pinnately cleft lobes, smaller pale yellow flowers and globose fruits.
Both raw and mature fruits are used to make chatani…the fruits are sliced when fresh and then the slices are dried in shade to preserve them for off seasons…fruits are edible in any form….;
Used in Rajasthan mostly in pickled form; 
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KOO-koo-mis — from the Greek kykyon, meaning cucumber
MEL-oh — an apple-shaped melon
ag-RES-tiss — of or belonging to fields 
Dave’s Botanary

Aug 28, 2008 … along Ghodbunder Road near Gaimukh, Thane, Maharashtra
commonly known as: senat seed, small gourd, wild musk melon • Gujarati: કચરી kachari • Hindi: कचरी kachari, कचरिया kachariya • Konkani: चिबडिण chibdin • Marathi: शिंडे shinde • Nepalese: gurmi • Rajasthani: कचरी kachari
Native to: Asia, tropical Africa
References: Flowers of IndiaNPGS / GRINeFloraCommon Indian Wild Flowers by Isaac Kehimkar
more views: Aug 28, 2008 … along Ghodbunder Road near Gaimukh, Thane, Maharashtra



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Cucurbitaceae Week: Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris from Delhi: Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis Naudin, Ann. Sc. Nat. 4, Ser. 11:73. 1859

syn: Cucumis trigonous Rox.; C. pubescens Willd.
The taxonomy of this group is rather confusing with most wild species having been merged under C. melo. It, however looks appropriate to separate wild forms under subsp. agrestris and cultivated under subsp. melo.
Common name: Kachri in Delhi, Haryana and Chibar in Rajasthan
Much branched herb with 3-5 lobed leaves, 9-12 mm across yellow flowers and oval to ellipsoid fruits, light green with dark green patches.
May be confused with Citrullus colocynthis but latter has leaves deeply lobed with narrow pinnately cleft lobes, smaller pale yellow flowers and globose fruits.
Photographed from Delhi and Rajasthan

As realised after … upload I seem to have mixed two plants. One with globose fruits without dark patches. I am uploading young fruit to complete the series.
The second plants is locally known as Kachri or Chibbar with oval fruits with lighter colour bur dark green patches.
I will try and separate them in different posts.


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Cucurbitaceae Week: For Id from Panipat: This cucurbit was shot from fields near Panipat, hope to find the id…I hope this should be any variety Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis…hope to conclude.


Yes … Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris


Thanks Sir for the reply, This seems to me different from Kachri or Chibbar, we used to see, will be good to dig out further…the fruit shape is globular comapred to oval, the ripe fruit never turns yellow in kachri…am I right Sir?


Yes … I also had this doubt but mixed up the photographs because some one told me that the plant is kachri or chibbar.
Now it seems we have two different plants. (trying to fit these under C. melo would be again confusing, let us try to fit with original native names). One should be C. pubescens and one C. trigonous.
In our collection we have two plants: one with globose fruits without any patches (your plant and mine but without ripe fruits), and second with oval fruits having dark green patches on lighter background (Kachri or chibbar). Let us see if some one is able to get plants of flower of latter.


Thanks sir for details, I have the second plant (which I suppose is kachri) with flowers but no fruits to be firm.
I am uploading the same in a separate mail, …but without fruits I fear it wont be able to clarify the doubts…


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Cucurbitaceae Week: Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis?:
Is this
Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis? The local name for this taxon is Kachri or Chibbar. I will try to locate few pics I have of its fruits..


I have got some fruit pics…of the same, though these were shot from different location, yet I firmly believe they belong to same species, After discussions with …, we prefer to call this Cucumis trigonus.


One more fruit pic…


Yes …, you are right, Kachri or Chibbar.


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Cucurbitaceae Week: Revisiting Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris: Cucumis pubescens pl. validate:
I hope this one should be Cucumis pebuscens differenciated by globose fruits usually not with very dark patches. It is supposed to be less bitter and after soaking in salt water can be eaten like cucumber. Seeds are employed in herpes. I hope some member can throw light on identity of this plant. This plant seems to be similar to one uploaded by …



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22112011GS1 cucurbit vegetable from Rajasthan, ‘CHIBAR’:
This cucurbit vegetable from Rajasthan, cooked as vegetable and also made into chutney. Help needed in Botanical name.
Local name: CHIBAR


Could it be Citrullus colocynthis?


… this is not Citrullus colocynthis though i dont know the real name…. Citurllus colocynthis fruits are bigger but these are small.


I also had that doubt. This fruit grows to the length of about 7 cm or so and breadth of about 5 cm. Also the shape is oval as against near globose in C. colocynthis. Let us wait for further inputs.


The name is Cucumis pubescens…also called as Kachri in Haryana…both raw and mature fruits are used to make chatani…the fruits are sliced when fresh and then the slices are dried in shade to preserve them for off seasons…fruits are edible in any form….


Thanks … http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/



 

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Flora of Panipat: Cucumis melo var. agrestis from Lohari Panipat:
Cucumis melo var. agrestis from Lohari Panipat
pls validate



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Another fruit vegetable consumed in Rajasthan under name CHHIBAR-help in ID-14032013GS : 2 images. 3 posts by 2 authors.
Another small fruited form used in Rajasthan mostly in pickled form known as CHHIBAR. Pl. help in ID.


It has been taken as Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis in earlier discussions.


Yes … Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris (syn: C. callosus, C. trigonous)



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04082013 BRS 497 :  Attachments (5). 7 posts by 3 authors.

Pl. find the attached file contain photos of Cucumber sp. for id. confirmation.
Date: 04.08.2013
Location: Adyar, Chennai
Habitat: Urban, Along the Adyar river basin
Habit: climber.

Is it not Kachri (Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis) we see in Haryana ?


I agree that those photos show C. melo L. subsp. agrestis (Naudin) Pangalo


i will also go with Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis, or the Kachari used in haryana for making some sour chatania with fresh fruits or with dried slices of the fruits….the fruits can be eaten as such when slightly pale and are sweet sour in taste….



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Cucumis callosus ?? from STR 61209 – NSD 120 : 7 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2).

Uploading Cucumis callosus from Cucurbitaceae family

Photo taken 31-10-09 from Satpura Tiger Reserve

I think id is correct, experts pl confirm or id otherwise


In Hindi it is known as Kasiphal & Kaddu.


To me it appears to be Kachri as we call it in Haryana as per efi page Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis


That’s the wild progenitor of Cucumis melo (I believe).



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Three kachri fruits: which is which? : Attachments (7). 3 posts by 2 authors.

It is understandable to find so many cultivars of Cucumis melo var. melo maintained in cultivation. It is also safe to include all wild forms sold in India under the name Cucumis melo var. agrestis (with synonyms C. trigonous, C. pubescens and C. callosus), but when trying to pin point the exact links problems do arise since the common Kachri (Selni in Maharashta, Chibar) in Rajasthan would find names linked to any of the three commonly referred species from India). C. callosus is supposed to differ from others, if not in fruit then by deeply lobed leaves (so should be C. trigonous a it is treated as synonym of C. callosus in Fascicles of Flora of India by Chakravarty), as uploaded by me

(plant only, fruits are from different location/plant efi thread     
Chakravarty includes only C. pubescens under var. agrestis (supposed to have less or not-divided leaves.
I have now three very distinct fruits in my hand
1. Kachri or Chibar from Rajasthan with fruit 4.5-6 cm long, green spotted with dark green, large seed cavity, thin flesh zone and lage 8-10 mm long seeds.
2. Bari Kachri, with 6-10 long fruits, oblong to subglobose with broader dark green patches and similar flesh and seed cavity but with yellowish pulp. One narrower fruit among the three looks somewhat trigonous, narrower in length-breadth ratio. Like kachri is mostly eaten raw or pickled.
3. Chhoti kachri seen for the first time in market with much smaller fruit barely 2-3 cm long and seeds just 3-4 mm long. It is supposed to be cooked as vegetable. It may turn out to be some distinct species.


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ID request 15122013PC2:  Attachments (4). 4 posts by 3 authors.
Kindly identify this cucurbit growing in Delhi. Photographs were taken in October, 2010.
The flowers are about 1 – 1.5 cm across and the fruit about 3-4 cm long.

Seems to be KachriCucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis


Yes Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis, locally known as Kachri.



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Seen in Mumbai market in Nov,2013.
Smaller fruits.
These look like Chhoti Kachri, the third in your following link….
Three kachri fruits: which is which?
You had identified it for me earlier as Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis
Kachri in N India, Chibar in Rajasthan, Selni in Maharashtra, Wild melon.”

Yes … Nice upload



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Jan2015sk29 Hooghly – Cucumis trigonus Roxb.? : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)
These photographs were recorded on 14-July-2012.
Wild trailing on roadside or in uncultivated fields, or in wasteplace.

efi page on Cucumis melo subsp. melo (Syn: (=) Cucumis trigonus Roxb.))


Since leaves are harshly scabrid in this wild species this should be Cucumis trigonus Roxb. as per KEY and description in (i) Bengal Plants and (ii) The Botany of Bihar and Orissa.

But, I am not sure of the current accepted name, because as per FoP it is Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis. I can’t say if FoP is correct or otherwise.


Both The Plant List and Revision of Indian Cucurbitaceae consider it a synonym of C. melo, and since it is a wild species with very short hairs on ovary, it is reasonable to include under subsp. agrestis var. agrestis. The hairs on ovary and not stem are significant in distinction.


Thank you very much Sir.



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Cucurbitaceae for identification :: Chennai :: : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)
Please help me to identify this creeper herb found on fallow land.
The fruit is very bitter to taste but smells very much like Cucumber.
Date: 27 April 2015
Place: Kancheepuram dist., (Chennai outskirts)
Alt.: 14 m asl
Habitat: fallow land

Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis (syn: C. trigonus; C. callosus), wild melon, Kachri, Selni, Chibar



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Cucumis trigonus Roxb. = C. trigonis Roxb. = C. turbinatus Roxb. 2015JuneSK01/01 : 7 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (14)
Very scabrid, almost prickly, wild.

Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis
Kachri, Chibar, Selni
Leaves may obscurely lobed (syn: C. trigonous) or deeply lobed (syn: C. callosus)


Thanks Sir, ironically same species in my earlier three threads have been placed under – 1) C. melo L., 2) C. melo L. subsp. melo and 3) Cucumis melo L. subsp. agrestis (Naudin) Pangalo var. agrestis Naudin!


C. melo because most authors/databases (say The Plant List) don’t recognise any infraspecific taxa within C. melo
C. melo subsp. melo because GRIN data base treats it so, but also lists C. melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis, because wild populations of C. melo are more commonly listed under subsp. agrestis. This should help

  • Sebastian, P. et al. 2010. Cucumber (Cucumis sativus) and melon (C. melo) have numerous wild relatives in Asia and Australia, and the sister species of melon is from Australia. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 107:14269–14273. [as Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis].

Thank you again Sir, but we need to follow any one of the three practices, one is under ‘A’, another is under ‘B’ and the third one is under ‘C’ misleading to me.


I follow the last


Thank you Sir, I will follow the same.



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Fwd: Herb I’d from Bangladesh : 4 posts by 2 authors.
Found along the rail line, picture taken today (25.11.15)

Please check if this thread helps


efi page on Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis 


looks like Cucumis callosus



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Cucurbitaceae For ID : MNP,Mumbai : 250116 : AK-7 : 07/07 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
Cucumis Species seen at the Maharashtra Nature Park in Mumbai on 25/11/12.
The plant had dried up, except for the small fruit.

Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var agrestis, kachri



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Cucurbitaceae Week: Revisiting Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris: Cucumis pubescens pl. validate: I hope this one should be Cucumis pebuscens differenciated by globose fruits usually not with very dark patches. It is supposed to be less bitter and after soaking in salt water can be eaten like cucumber. Seeds are employed in herpes. I hope some member can throw light on identity of this plant. This plant seems to be similar to one uploaded by …


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Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)
Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris from Delhi, locally known as Kachri. The ID needs validation.

Watermelon?


Yes … I had also similar doubts but not resembling my other two plants exactly. The leaves seem to be somewhat similar to Citrullus colocynthis but not flowers, flowers resemble C. lanatus (syn: C. vulgaris), but not leaves exactly. I am uploading both again for comparison. Members please comment. Attachments (4)


As what I remember your pictures both flower and leaf resemble C lanatus. Here it is side view. You had posted top.


Benincasa fistulosa (Stocks) H.Schaef. & S.S.Renner ??


please see this subsequent post of mine of the same plant
Cucurbitaceae Week: Revisiting Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris: Cucumis pubescens pl. validate (google.com)



Today one of my colleagues collected this plant from roadside. This is a wild climber and the ripe fruits are yellow, unlike the red Trchosanthes tricuspidata.
Is it the Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis as in efi thread ?
Species : UNKNOWN
Habit & Habitat : wild climber, roadside, scabrid, leaf surfaces rough
Date : 11/7/12
Place : Hooghly

Perhaps these discussions throw some light on your plant


Thank you for the links of two closely related varieties of Cucumis melo.
I think my species is same as the one posted by … at – efi thread and by you at – efi thread. I think the lobes of the leaf blade can vary according to age of the plant, the maturity of the shoot and the maturity of the leaves. I attach here three more images and the variation in leaf blades can be seen in the first two images.
Your 2nd plant at – efi thread, C. trigonous seems to be a little different.
As i searched the net i found –
  1. Cucumis pubescens Wall. ex Wight & Arn. = Cucumis trigonus Roxb. = Cucumis callosus (Roettler) Cogn. = at (Plants of Nepal) http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242315808
  2. Cucumis callosus (Roettler) Cogn. = Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis Naudin, Ann. = at (Flora of Pakistan) – http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077277
  3. The above site also describes, “Perennial forms have been sometimes treated as a distinct species, Cucumis trigonus Roxb. The status of these taxa needs elucidation by comparative studies in the field”
  4. Citation form Bengal for Cucumis melo var. pubescenshttp://www.floraofalabama.org/Plant.aspx?id=1664

So, it is likely to be Cucumis pubescens Willd. as have been suggested by you.


forgot to attach the new images, here they are.



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Cucurbitaceae for ID : Nasik : 06OCT18 : AK – 5 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
A wild climber seen at the Gangapur Grasslands in Nasik on 25th August,18.
Is this Wild Melon?
Cucumis melo var. agrestis? 


Appears close as per images at Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis as per comparative images at Cucumis


 


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SK1629 07 Dec 2018 : 7 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)- around 650 kb each. 

LocationKathmandu , Nepal
Altitude:  4500 ft.
Date: 26 October 2018 
Habit : Cultivated
Which Cucurbitaceae ??

I could not match


I guess your suggestion for ID is correct !



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SK 2951 08 September 2021: 8 very high res. images.
Location: West Nepal
Altitude: 276m.
Date: 10 August 2021
Habit : Wild Cucumis ….???


I think Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis as per images and details herein.

I have eaten a lot from the fields in my childhood and also eaten cooked as a tasty vegetable.


I was also with this opinion but could not point out to the correct ID.

But this sp is not listed in Nepal !

It is given in the Checklist of Nepal.


Cucumis melo L. and https://efloraofindia.com/2012/11/27/cucumis-melo-subsp-agrestis-var-agrestis/   same ??


Under C.melo there are many subspecies and varieties, which many consider all under C.melo.



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