Ardisia elliptica Thunb. (syn: Anguillaria solanacea Poir.; Ardisia doma Wall. ex A. DC.; Ardisia elliptica Bedd.; Ardisia elliptica var. solanacea (Poir.) Thw.; Ardisia kotoensis Hayata; Ardisia littoralis Andr.; Ardisia nana Buch.-Ham. ex A. DC. (ambiguous synonym); Ardisia oleracea Buch.-Ham. ex A. DC.; Ardisia polycephala Wight (ambiguous synonym); Ardisia salicifolia A. DC. (ambiguous synonym); Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.; Ardisia solanacea var. parviflora (Talbot) Punekar & Lakshmin.; Ardisia sorsogonensis Elmer ex Merr.; Ardisia umbellata Roxb. (ambiguous synonym); Bladhia elliptica (Thunb.) Nakai; Bladhia humilis (Vahl) Sasaki; Bladhia kotoensis (Hayata) Nakai; Bladhia solanacea (Poir.) Nakai; Climacandra littoralis (Andr.) Kurz; Climacandra multiflora Miq.; Climacandra obovata Miq.; Climacandra salicifolia (A. DC.) Miq.; Icacorea humilis (Vahl) Britton; Icacorea solanacea (Poir.) Britton; Icacorea zeylanica Lam. ex Roem. & Schult.) as per Catalogue of Life;
China (Guangxi, Yunnan), Java, India, Bangladesh, Laos, peninsular Malaysia (coasts from Perlis south), Singapore, New Guinea, Sumatra, Vietnam, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Maledives, Andamans (North Andamans, Middle Andamans, South Andamans, Little Andaman Isl.), Nicobars (Car Nicobar Isl., North Nicobars, Central Nicobars, Great Nicobar Isl., Little Nicobar Isl.), Bhutan, Darjeeling, Myanmar [Burma] (Bago, Mandalay, Rakhine, Taninthayi), Nepal, USA (I) (Florida (I)), Taiwan (I), Jamaica (I), Panama (I), Puerto Rico (I), Guyana (I), Lesser Antilles (I) (Dominica (I), Guadeloupe (I), Martinique (I), St. Lucia (I), Barbados (I)), Nicaragua (I), Venezuela (I), Micronesia, Society Isl. (Tahiti), Cook Isl. (Rarotonga), Mauritius (I), ?Runion (I), Hawaii (I) (Kauai (I), Oahu (I), Maui (I), Hawaii Isl. (I)), Trinidad & Tobago (I) as per Catalogue of Life;
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ar-DIZ-ee-uh — Latin: ardis (a point), referring to the pointed anthers … Dave’s Botanary
so-lan-uh-SEE-uh — resembling the Solanum genus … Dave’s Botanary
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commonly known asshoebutton ardisiaspear flower • Bengaliবনজাম bonjam • Hindiधनप्रिया dhan-priya • Kannadaಬೋದಿನಗಿಡ bodinagida • Malayalamകാക്കഞാറ kakkanjaraകോലരക്ക് kolarakkuകുഴിമുണ്ടൻ kulimundanമോളക്ക molakka • Marathiबुगडी bugadiदिकना dikna • Nepaliदमाई फल damaai phal • Odiaବଣଜାମୁ banajamuକାକଜମ୍ବୁ kakajambu • Tamilகோழுருச்சி kolurucciகோழிக்கொடை kozhikotaiமணிபுஷ்பம் manipushpamநாரிக்கண்டம் narikandam • Teluguఅడవి మయూరి adavi mayuriకాశి నేరేడు kaashi nereduకొండ మామిడి konda mamidiకొండ పొగడ konda pogadaకొండమయూరము kondamayuramuపగడ ములక pagada mulaka • Tuluಬೋದೆ bode 
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Tree For ID – Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh – NW-2023-APR01: 7 images.
Kindly identify this medium sized tree with pink flowers photographed in Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh in April 2023. Leaves about 10 to 15 cm in length. Not my photos.


Ardisia elliptica Thunb. !


Ardisia solanacea


Ardisia solanacea


Yes, it is the syn !


No … Both are accepted names, there is a huge difference between two ; both species currently with me in live.


Yes … Only GBIF says it is the syn. Other links says differently.


Flora of China gives the following keys:

38 (35) Petiole canaliculate; flowers in corymbs or racemes. (39)
+ Petiole marginate; flowers in umbels. (40)
39 (38) Leaf blade elliptic or oblanceolate, conspicuously black punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently black punctate adaxially 10 Ardisia solanacea
+ Leaf blade linear or narrowly lanceolate, black punctate abaxially, prominently black punctate adaxially 11 Ardisia filiformis
40 (38) Sepals rugose basally; leaf blade margin revolute 7 Ardisia elliptica
+ Sepals smooth or verruculose basally; leaf blade margin flat.

From the above, it appears both are really close.

Flowers neither appear to be corymbs or raceme nor in umbel.

How to decide?


May I request you to let us know the differences between the two?


Very simple …
In the vegetative condition itself, we will identify both,

Leaves up to 30 cm long matured ones, young leaves  it self more than 10 cm, thick, broadly oblong-ovate…. A solanacea
Leaves up to 10 cm long mature ones, young 2-3cm, thin, ovate …… A elliptica.
When comparing both sp, Ardisia solanacea is double plant body then A elliptica entirely.


eFlora of China says:
Ardisia solanacea Roxburgh: leaf blade elliptic or oblanceolate, 12-20 × 4-7 cm, papery, conspicuously black punctate and punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently punctate adaxially, base cuneate or narrowly decurrent on petiole, margin subrevolute, entire, apex acute; lateral veins ca. 20 on each side of midrib, raised on both surfaces, marginal vein absent.
Ardisia elliptica Thunberg: leaf blade oblanceolate or obovate, 6-12(-16) × 3-5(-7) cm, subleathery, dull and densely punctate abaxially, especially along margin, base cuneate, margin revolute, entire, apex obtuse or acute; lateral veins 12-34 on each side of midrib, marginal vein present

But it is really difficult to judge the size of leaves from a photograph.


Kindly note that the photographs were sent to me, i havent myself seen the live plant. Im assisting a young man who is making a native plant nursery to replant local species on the hill near his village in Madanapalle District, Andhra Pradesh. For some unknown reason, he is unwilling to directly engage with efloraofindia, tho i have showed how easy it is multiple number of times.
i have asked him to send me better pictures with better detail and more information on the dimensions when he is able to visit the location again with the purpose of collecting fruit and seeds for his nursery.
Im sorry that i cant help much in this endeavor to clarify Ardisia solanacea and A. elliptica at this point.
May i request … to upload pictures of the two specimens he has access to? The efloraofindia database doesnt have any pictures expressly of A. solanacea and that gap could be thus filled.

I have kept observations of both (due to difficulty in segregating them as well as Catalogue of life treats both as same) at 
https://efloraofindia.com/2013/01/24/ardisia-elliptica/
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IDENTIICATION:
Attaching two images of a wild plant in bloom. I saw this plant for the first time at Tezpur (Assam).
It is a small tree. The leaves are thick and the flowers are waxy. It bears berry and Bulbuls eat the berries.
I find this plant at Cooch Behar also.


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ID Request 30052011 PJ3:
Id requested for the following attachment.
Date/Time-: 29/05/11   –    10:00
Location- Place, Altitude – Kaiga , Uttar Kannada ,Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-   wild
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- tree
Height/Length- 2.5 mtr

this is Ardisia solanacea of Myrsinaceae, one of the very important leafy vegetable for the tribal of Orissa and the fruits are also edible.


yes Ardisia solanacea,
fruits when ripe are black berry like…
in bengal santhal tribe calls it  Gara-gulanchi….
use roots for treatment of edema


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031111PD03 Ardisia solanacea Flora of Orissa:
sharing the image of another plant, Ardisia solanacea whose fruits are edible

Name of the species: Ardisia solanacea
Family: Myrsinaceae
Place of collection: Ranpur, Nayagarh, Orissa
Altitude: 230 m above msl
Habit: Shrub
Habitat: Moist deciduous forests, near streams and canals
Uses: The young and fresh leaves are cooked as leafy vegetables and the ripe fruits are edible.


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Tree/shrub? for ID – 101211 – RK:
Would appreciate Common, Botanical & Family ID of this attractive young tree/ shrub. Pic taken in Lalbagh Botanical Garden, Bangalore on 26/11/11 at 10.30 am. Have not come across this earlier.


Could be some Ardisia sp.?


Yes it also looks like Ardisia to me


Beautiful plant! even ive not come across this before in lalbagh…


Ardisia oxyphylla? Just checked with flowersof india. Seems to fit.


It may be Ardisia solanacea


For me the tree is Ardisia solanaceaMyrsinaceae, Tamil: Manipudbam


 


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Bush for ID : Lalbagh,Bangalore : 020812 : AK-3:
A small bush seen at Lalbagh, Bangalore on 24/7/12.
Pink buds and red berries.
Ardisia?


Could this be Ardisia solanacea (Family: Myrsinaceae).


yes, it looks like Ardisia solanacea only



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Ardisia for ID : Lalbagh,Bangalore : 030812 : AK-2:
Pictures taken on 24/7/12.
Ardisia solanaceae?


Yes for me.


These pictures also appear to be of Ardisia solanacea. Kindly confirm id.



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Ardisia sp. (Primulaceae = Myrsinaceae)


Thanks, …, can it be Ardisia solanacea


Yes it is ardisia solanacea Myrsinaceae


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Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (inc. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight: Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb. SN June02 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2). 
Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb. Fam: Myrsinaceae.
Shrub from bagamandala area of Coorg



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Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae and Myrsinaceae Fortnight : Ardisia For ID : Jim Corbett,Uttarakhand : 110614 : AK-6 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3).
Ardisia seen growing wild inside the forest on 17/5/14.
To me it looks like Ardisia solanacea only, which from … post, are found in Uttarakhand.


Yes please


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Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae and Myrsinaceae Fortnight : Ardisia solanacea : Myrsinaceae : Lalbagh,Bangalore : 110614 : AK-1 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4).
Sharing pctures of Ardisia solanacea from Lalbagh, Bangalore.
Posted on our group earlier and identified by …


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July2015sk16/18 — CKBS — Ardisia humilis Vahl ? : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (9)
This shrub is common in CKBS, Kolkata. I recorded it in Dec-2013, remained unidentified. I haven’t seen it in places in Hooghly I visited. The last photograph is of a seed (as far as I can remember).
thread may be same species.
Sir Prain, Haines and FBI think Ardisia solanacea of Flora Indica is synonymous with Ardisia humilis Vahl; a shrub. But TPL and FoC think otherwise.
What would be its correct ID?
Or is it some other taxon?

It is Ardisia only, but species can be confirmed after verifying the flower character.


Thank you very much …, since it is Ardisia it should be A. solanacea Roxb. as per KEY and distribution in ‘Bengal Plants’ and FoC.


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Flora of Kaiga_Sharing_ Ardisia solanacea 13052016 PK1 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)
Pl see Attached 3 pic of Beauty of Pink Flower – Ardisia solanacea  The leaves are eaten as salad. roots used in fever, diarrhea and rheumatism from Kaiga Uttara kannada Western Ghats.

Date/Time-:12/05/2015   –    10:30,
Location- Place, Altitude – Kaiga , Uttar Kannada ,Karnataka, 380 mtrs
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ – Wild
Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb-  Shrub/Tree


wonderful photos and nice information for ethnobotanical uses



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Kindly identify this medium sized tree. 

Habit: A medium sized tree. 

Habitat: Wild, Semi-evergreen forest 

Sighting: Chikmagalur, Karnataka, about 1100 msl 

Date: 04-03-2016




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Names of Plants in India :: Ardisia solanacea Roxb. : 5 posts by 3 authors.
via Species‎ > ‎A‎ > Ardisia solanacea Roxb. … family: Primulaceae ~ Myrsinaceae

Flowers of India Discussions at efloraofindia more views in flickr more views on Google Earth
ar-DIZ-ee-uh — Latin: ardis (a point), referring to the pointed anthers … Dave’s Botanary
so-lan-uh-SEE-uh — resembling the Solanum genus … Dave’s Botanary
commonly known asshoebutton ardisiaspear flower • Bengaliবনজাম bonjam • Hindiधनप्रिया dhan-priya • Kannadaಬೋದಿನಗಿಡ bodinagida • Malayalamകാക്കഞാറ kakkanjaraകോലരക്ക് kolarakkuകുഴിമുണ്ടൻ kulimundanമോളക്ക molakka • Marathiबुगडी bugadiदिकना dikna • Nepaliदमाई फल damaai phal • Odiaବଣଜାମୁ banajamuକାକଜମ୍ବୁ kakajambu • Tamilகோழுருச்சி kolurucci • Teluguఅడవి మయూరి adavi mayuriకాశి నేరేడు kaashi nereduకొండ మామిడి konda mamidiకొండ పొగడ konda pogadaకొండమయూరము kondamayuramuపగడ ములక pagada mulaka • Tuluಬೋದೆ bode
botanical namesArdisia solanacea Roxb. … synonymsArdisia elliptica auct. non Thunb.: Bedd. • Ardisia humilis auct. non Vahl.: Clarke … Flora of Pakistan
December 15, 2012 … Mattighatta Road, Karnataka


Very nice … I got it in wild only recently in M.P.


Thanks, …  You are doing a great job.


Update:
Tamilகோழுருச்சி kolurucciகோழிக்கொடை kozhikotaiமணிபுஷ்பம் manipushpamநாரிக்கண்டம் narikandam


Names compiled / updated at dineshvalke.blogspot


Ardisia solanacea Roxb.

ar-DIZ-ee-uh — Latin: ardis (a point), referring to the pointed anthers … Dave’s Botanary
so-lan-uh-SEE-uh — resembling the Solanum genus … Dave’s Botanary

commonly known as: shoebutton ardisia, spear flower • Assamese: পচলা ৰঙা pachala rana, টোলঠা পকা tola para • Bengali: বনজাম bonjam • Hindi: धनप्रिया dhan-priya • Kannada: ಬೋದಿನಗಿಡ bodinagida • Malayalam: കാക്കഞാറ kakkanjara, കോലരക്ക് kolarakku, കുഴിമുണ്ടൻ kulimundan, മോളക്ക molakka • Marathi: बुगडी bugadi, दिकना dikna • Nepali: दमाई फल damaai phal • Odia: ବଣଜାମୁ banajamu, କାକଜମ୍ବୁ kakajambu • Tamil: கோழுருச்சி kolurucci, கோழிக்கொடை kozhikotai, மணிபுஷ்பம் manipushpam, நாரிக்கண்டம் narikandam • Telugu: అడవి మయూరి adavi mayuri, కాశి నేరేడు kaashi neredu, కొండ మామిడి konda mamidi, కొండ పొగడ konda pogada, కొండమయూరము kondamayuramu, పగడ ములక pagada mulaka • Tulu: ಬೋದೆ bode

botanical namesArdisia solanacea Roxb. … synonymsAnguillaria solanacea (Roxb.) Poir. • Bladhia solanacea (Roxb.) Nakai • Niara montanensis Dennst. … POWO … and Ardisia elliptica auct. non Thunb.: Bedd. • Ardisia humilis auct. non Vahl.: Clarke … Flora of Pakistan

Bibliography / etymology
~~~~~ ENGLISH ~~~~~
shoebutton ardisia
spear flower
~~~~~ ASSAMESE ~~~~~
পচলা ৰঙা pachala rana
  • Many thanks to Brahmananda Patiri for this name in his comment … facebook
টোলঠা পকা tola para
  • Many thanks to Farmer Tridip Gogoi for this name in his comment … facebook
~~~~~ BENGALI ~~~~~
বনজাম bonjam
~~~~~ HINDI ~~~~~
धनप्रिया dhan-priya
~~~~~ KANNADA ~~~~~
ಬೋದಿನಗಿಡ bodinagida
~~~~~ MALAYALAM ~~~~~
കാക്കഞാറ kakkanjara
  • Wikipedia
  • Biotik
  • കാക്കഞാറ kakkanjara = black syzygium … due to the resemblance of the fruits to that of Syzygium caryophyllatum and black colour … Shodhganga – Medicinal plants of Tulunadu
കോലരക്ക് kolarakku
കുഴിമുണ്ടൻ kulimundan
മോളക്ക molakka
~~~~~ MARATHI ~~~~~
बुगडी bugadi
दिकना dikna
~~~~~ NEPALI ~~~~~
दमाई फल damaai phal
~~~~~ ODIA ~~~~~
ବଣଜାମୁ banajamu
କାକଜମ୍ବୁ kakajambu
~~~~~ TAMIL ~~~~~
கோழுருச்சி kolurucci
கோழிக்கொடை kozhikotai
  • ENVIS – FRLHT
  • Thanks to Dr Vijayasankar Raman for his comment … கோழிக்கொடை kozhikotai = chicken’s umbrella, referring to the shape of the flower … efloraofindia
மணிபுஷ்பம் manipushpam
  • ENVIS – FRLHT
  • Thanks to Dr Vijayasankar Raman for his comment … மணிபுஷ்பம் manipushpam = bead flower or bell flower … efloraofindia
நாரிக்கண்டம் narikandam
~~~~~ TELUGU ~~~~~
అడవి మయూరి adavi mayuri
కాశి నేరేడు kaashi neredu
కొండ మామిడి konda mamidi
కొండ పొగడ konda pogada
కొండమయూరము kondamayuramu
పగడ ములక pagada mulaka
~~~~~ TULU ~~~~~
ಬೋದೆ bode

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Names of Plants in India :: Hindi name of Ardisia solanacea : 4 posts by 2 authors.

Please validate the Hindi name bisi written in Devanagari script as बिसि.
Reference: ENVIS-FRLHT
There is one instance of this name rendered in Devanagari script here in Wikimedia; I am not sure whether it is written correctly.
There is no other instance found on internet.

… is correct i.e. the name rendered in Devanagari script.


Thanks … for the validation. Do you know of any reference (web/ book) which has this name ?
I have put the name in Devanagari as is shown in here in Wikimedia. 



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Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
Attached images are Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.
Date :25.07.2017
Location: Assam

Family : Myrsinaceae 
Genus & species : Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.
Habitat: Grows wild
Habit : Shrub


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Tree : 10 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4)

Location Rajnagar Kumarghat Unakoti district Tripura
Tribal people use young twigs with pulse
Please identify it


Ardisia (Myrsinaceae)

Pl. check with images at Ardisia solanacea

Thank you …
Both Ardisia colorata  and Ardisia solanacea are available in Tripura
My doubt is why young twigs are reddish in colour.

Thanks, Digpati ji.
It does not match with images of Ardisia paniculata (syn: Ardisia colorata Link)
So it has to be Ardisia solanacea


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Ardisia Species for ID : Jijamata Udyan,Mumbai : 300618 : AK-21 : 8 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (2)
Ardisia Species seen earlier at the garden.
For Species id please.
To me it looks close to Ardisia solanacea.

Ardisia escallonioides Schiede & Deppe ex Schltdl. & Cham.  ??


Yes it looks Ardisia solanacea to me too…

Nice to hear from you after a long while. And many thanks for the suggested id.


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Fwd: [efloraofindia:186850] Another plant for identification SN1 :  5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1).
This is another plant from Chorla, Goa. The flowers seem like plastic.

Looks like Ardisia solanacea


This may be Ardisia.


Ardisia sp. May be Ardisia solanacea of Myrsinaceae.


Thank you all



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Fwd: Identification needed : 5 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (1).
Please help me identify this plant found in Wildernest, Goa. The flowers feel like plastic.


Picture quality is rather bad, hence can’t be sure.
It could be Ardisia Species.


Ardisia  – species in India & eFI with some keys


It seems to be of Ardisia.


Ardisia solanacea.



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Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (incl. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight: Myrsinaceae- Ardisia solanacea from Anmod Ghat-PKA4 : 6 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (2).
Ardisia solanacea (Family: Myrsinaceae).

Beautiful close up of the flowers.



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Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae & Myrsinaceae Fortnight 1-14June2014: Ardisia solanacea from Uttarakhand_DSR_2 : 5 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (1).
Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb. (Myrsinaceae) is a frequent shrub in Outer Himalayan Hills in Uttarakhand.
Shot near Kathgodam, Haldwani, Uttarakhand.


This species is very common along the Shiwalik hills and commonly associated with moist Sal forest.


Thanks … if this is common, I have missed this till now..



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ANSEPT70 Please identify this tree : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (4).
Camp Geedee, Bannerghatta
August 2014

Ardisia solanacea Roxb. of Myrsinaceae


Ardisia solanacea


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Among many names and their variants listed in ENVIS-FRLHT for Ardisia solanacea, I would like to get following validated:
  1. కాశినేరేడు kaashineredu
  2. పగడ ములక pagada mulaka
I hope I have written the above two names correctly; thanks to A Telugu-English dictionary by Charles Philip Brown
నేరేడు neredu (or నేరెడు neredu), though finds an entry in Brown’s Dictionary for Ardisia humilis, (synonym of A. solanacea), it looks like being used as a generic name for plants bearing cherry or plum-like fruits. Thus using prefix like కాశి (Kaashi, Benares city) will separate it from అల్లోనేరేడు allo-neredu, భూతనేరేడు bhuta-neredu, జంబునేరేడు jambu-neredu. నక్కనేరేడు nakka-neredu, etc.

you are perfectly correct in writing 

  • కాశినేరేడు kaashineredu
  1. పగడ ములక pagada mulaka – plants with blakish fruits are called as Neredu by common men.
  2. Syzizium alternifolium– as alla neredu; S.cumini as jambu neredu, Flacourtia indica as Nakka neredu;

In sanskrit Jambu phal means Neredu fruit. May I know what is the Botanical name of Bhuta neredu


In telugu it is called konda mamidi, adavi mayuri, and konda pogada also. కొండ మామిడి, అడవి మయూరి, కొండ పొగడ it is also given in CRC world dictionary of medicinal plants. Pagadam means red coral in telugu, since the fruit is reddish and round like a coral it is called as Pogada mulaka.
Kashi is another name of Varanassi/ Benaras, as all Indians know; but it  indicates sacred in telugu,


Many many thanks … for the additional names, and the related information.
There is another name similar to already listed by you (and in ENVIS-FRLHT) … కొండమయూరము kondamayuramu
mulaka in pogada mulaka refers to:
ములక (p. 1010) mulaka. [Tel.] n. The plant called Solanum, or Nightshade.
With other prefixes: నేలములక Solanum jacquini. తెల్లములక Solanum indicum


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Following Tamil names are mentioned at Biotik for Ardisia solanacea:
மனிபுதம் (maniputam) and கோழிக்கோட்டை (kolikkottai)
They are also listed at ENVIS-FRLHT:
kozhikkottai, manipudbam / maniputpam, narikandam
1) Would மணிபுஷ்பம் (manipushpam) make better sense for மனிபுதம் (maniputam) / manipudbam / maniputpam ?
2) Does கோழிக்கோட்டை (koli-k-kottai) seem to make sense for A. solanacea ? Google text / image search does not display results related to plants at all.
3) narikandam, is a name shared by Aegiceras corniculatum with Ardisia solanacea. Would it rather be spelled as நாரிக்கண்டல் ?

Forgot to mention this name: கோழுருச்சி kolurucci which appears in Wikipedia.
Noticed that it appears in Wikipedia alone; hope it is valid !


1) Would மணிபுஷ்பம் (manipushpam) make better sense for மனிபுதம் (maniputam) / manipudbam / maniputpam ?

Yes! மணிபுஷ்பம் (manipushpam) (= bead flower or bell flower) must be the correct name. Manipudam or Maniputam do not make sense to me.
2) Does கோழிக்கோட்டை (koli-k-kottai) seem to make sense for A. solanacea ? Google text / image search does not display results related to plants at all.
I am not sure but கோழிக்கோட்டை seem to be fine. The name ‘kozhikotai’ கோழிக்கொடை (= chicken’s umbrella, referring to the shape of the flower) is also seem to be appropriate http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/7964.
3) narikandam, is a name shared by Aegiceras corniculatum with Ardisia solanacea. Would it rather be spelled as நாரிக்கண்டல் ?
The Tamil name ‘kandal’ is generally applied to mangrove plants. So, I would retain the name ‘narikandam’ நாரிக்கண்டம் here based on the reference/s.
The name கோழுருச்சி ‘kolurucci’ sounds legit, too.
The Malayali tribes in Tiruvannamalai district (TN) call this plant as ‘Paalaamani’ பாலாமணி or ‘Kokkaa mani’ கொக்கா மணி.

Thank you very very much … Great help with validation and clarity !!  Will update my notes soon.



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ARDISIA HUMILIS : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
I came across Ardisia humilis for the first time in a jungle at Tezpur (Assam). I brought a sapling from there. The plant gave flowers and fruits for few years. Now I find the plant in some bamboo groves at this place. Attaching a collage of the same.

Very nice! love the color and the pristine daintiness. i used called these porcelain flowers in my younger days  not knowing botany at all then, in class 3 or 2. i have submitted one these here a few years ago. forget what was the final diagnosis. found it was called Ardisia littoralis


I think your plant is closer to images and details at Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.
Ardisia humilis Vahl is not found in India as per Catalogue of Life and your post also looks different from it as per
Ardisia humilis Bl. is a syn. of Ardisia javanica A. DC. as per Catalogue of Life and your post also looks different from it as per

Thank you. I will check.


flowers in the image looks similar to the image of Ardisia humilis as given in the images in PLANTS OF INDIAN BOTANIC GARDEN by Chowdhery and Pandey.

But your plant is wild. Flowers of many species look similar.



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at Guhagar (MS)- May’09?; at Mollem wildlife sanctuary, Goa on 30th Jan 2010; Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale Udyan (formerly Victoria Gardens)- 09 MAY 08; at Mollem wildlife sanctuary, Goa on 30th Jan 2010; 03-05-2010 / 04:00 PM- Mudumalai WLS- 550 msl- TN; 14/May/2010 4.47PM: Kuruvadweepa, Waynad, Kerala; 
Request for id – 310110_Goa_SSN_2 – efloraofindia | Google Groups

Flowers of Embelia ribes (Vavding) – indiantreepix | Google Groups



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Solanum look-alike flowers but NOT Solanum species ID PLEASE Garden Plant UD 001:2013: This plant was found growing in a friend’s garden in 2011 October… she did not know the name… this year its gone … so no further history as it developed.
When I photographed it, it was about 3 feet tall, new leaves were emerging, looking fresh. Largest leaf was about 10– 12 cms long , no hairs on top or bottom. The main stem was an inch thick and just becoming woody, so I suspect this would have been a shrub if developed, or even a bush. Not a herb by any means.  
The flowers are vaguely reminiscent of the Solanum species but not really… flowers were 1.5 to 2 cms across , light pink somewhat fleshy petals.  
The berries at that point were green, about 4 – 6 mm round … with a little black point of a dot.

It is Ardisia sp. of Myrsinaceae family, look like Ardisia littoralis Andr. Please check


Thank you …
But the petals in a. littoralis are narrower than my example…
come to think of it … could it be ardisia solanacea, by any chance ???
Dont take my guess, but AWAITING ALL OF YOU to PITCH IN TOO!!!


Please compare the description of plant;
Ardisia littoralis Andr.:
Erect branched shrub to 1.5 m tall. Leaves clustered towards the ends of the branches, 5-11 x 2.4-5 cm, obovate-oblong or elliptic, base cuneate, apex acute or subobtuse, coriaceous; petiole to 1 cm long. Inflorescence axillary or lateral umbels, rarely lengthened into racemes; peduncle 2-3 cm long. Flowers pink; pedicels 0.8-1.4 cm long, stout. Calyx 3-5 mm long; lobes elliptic, obtuse, with membranous margins, in fruit enlarged, orbicular, closely pressed to the berry. Corolla-lobes 5-7 mm long, obliquely ovate-acuminate, gland-dotted. Berry 5-7 mm across, dipressed globose, apiculate, red at first turning purplish black.
Ardisia solanacea Roxb.:
Trees, to 6 m high; bark brown, smooth. Leaves simple, alternate, estipulate; petiole to 10 mm long, stout, glabrous; lamina 10-18 x 4-6 cm, obovate, elliptic-obovate or oblanceolate, base cuneate, apex acuminate or acute, margin entire or obscurely crenate, glabrous, glaucous beneath, coriaceous, gland-dotted; lateral nerves 9-20 pairs, parallel, slender, obscure, secondary laterals faint, intercostae obscure. Flowers bisexual, 1.3 cm across, bright pink, in axillary or lateral umbels; peduncle 5-(12) cm long; bracts 1.5-2 mm long, concave, deciduous; calyx lobes 5, 3 x 1.5 mm, concave, ovate, obtuse, ciliate, persistent, leathery, twisted to right; corolla 2.5 cm across; lobes 5, twisted to right, in bud, 10 x 7 mm, ovate, coriaceous, punctate; stamens 5, connivent around style, exserted; filaments short; anthers sagitate, 7 mm; ovary superior, globose 3 x 2 mm, 1-celled, ovules many; style elongate, as long as the corolla lobes; stigma terminal. Fruit a berry 8 mm across, globose, bright red.
Ardisia sonchifolia Mez.:
Shrubs; branchlets gland-dotted. Leaves 10-22 x 4-6 cm, oblanceolate, acute to acuminate at apex, attenuate and auricled at base, entire; nerves ca. 16 pairs, strongly punctuate along the margins; petiole 5 mm long. Umbels terminal, 5 x 5 cm, tomentose, peduncled; pedicels 5-6 mm long, rusty-tomentose. Flowers 5-15 in an umbel, pale pink; sepals 3 x 1.5 mm, ovate, acute, hairy; corolla lobes 4 mm long, ovate, acute, punctate; anthers acute. Berry 6-7 mm across, pink, glabrous.

According to the description provided by … it looks like Ardisia lottoralis
key
1. Umbels terminal ……………….. Ardisia sonchifolia Mez.
1. Umbels lateral or axillary ………2
2. peduncle 2-3 cm long …………. Ardisia littoralis Andr
2. peduncle 5-(12) cm long ……… Ardisia solanacea Roxb.

This is without doubt Ardisia littoralis

 


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Plant of Baturraden 8 : Attachments (1).  3 posts by 2 authors.
We need to know the name of the following small tree please. Thank you


Ardisia elliptica



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SHIBPUR IBG : sk-Oct-10 : Ardisia sp. : 7 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (6).


Ardisia littoralis?


I had submitted a case in 2013,  there is a nice differentiating description for the 3 commonly seen Ardisias.
efi thread
hope this helps.

The more I read FoC, FoAus (specially the inflorescence type) and FI the more I am confused. Finally, for obtuse tipped leaves I think it is A. elliptica Thunb.; syn. A umbellata Roxb., A. littoralis Andrews.


Very tough, confusing, I regret why I didn’t use my scale, attached here KEY of some species by Prain and Haines and records by Roxburgh.


Do you remember where exactly was it that you photographed it?
It may still be blooming, it seems its blooms around here now around durga puja time. My pictures were also at durga puja.  Though this year when I went back to the same garden the plant itself was gone.

Inside the garden I was totally at a loss. I fail to remember direction, we (my colleague was there) entered through Andul Rd gate went straight to the Great Banyan Tree, to Kyd monument, then took return path to AndulRd gate… this much I can remember!



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Ardisia solanacea Roxb. ?? : 15 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (7)- around 400 kb each.
Location: Hong Kong Park  
Date: 15 August 2018
Elevation: 200 ft.
Habit : Cultivated

Ok …!


Looks like Ardisia quinquegona but not sure.


fruits and leaves are not matching to Ardisia quinquegona.

ok.


This is Ardisia quinquegona.

Yes, I checked.

But the images of Ardisia quinquegona look different at http://hkcww.org/hkplant/readid.php?id=1094

I thought so.

Pl. check my suggested species.

OK. …

May be Ardisia elliptica.


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Ardisia humilis Fruits : Lalbagh Botanical Garden, Bangalore : 15FEB20 : AK-13 : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5)
Seen at the garden in Dec,19.

You have posted it many times from Lalbagh as Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb. (syn. of Ardisia elliptica).
It is the same.

Thanks … This was seen at a different location in the garden.
Hence I posted it for validation.



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Ardisia solanacea (Poir) Roxb. : Attachments (1) – 1 mb.
Ardisia solanacea (Poir) Roxb.(MYRSINACEAE): Picture from ‘Edible Fruit Plants Conservatory’, JNTBGRI, palode, Trivandrum.



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Fwd: Ardisia humilis : 3 posts by 1 author. 2 images- 1 & 6 mb.
Ardisia humilis Vahl (MYRSINACEAE: Photo from Edible Fruit Plants Conservatory, JNTBGRI, Palode

Is the inflorescence axillary or terminal ? Do you have an image showing that ?
Ardisia humilis Vahl have distribution in Bangladesh and Mynamar as per Catalogue of life and east Himalayas as per POWO;
As per keys in Flora of China, Difference appears to be based on inflorescence.
For Ardisia humilis Vahl, Inflorescences terminal, rarely terminating lateral branchlets, subumbellate or cymose in pyramidal panicles, 8-17(-20) cm (FoC illustration).
For Ardisia elliptica Thunberg (syn: Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.), Inflorescences axillary or subterminal on basally thickened lateral branches, subumbellate or umbellate.
Pl. clarify.
Most of our observations in efloraofindia have been of Ardisia elliptica, as per details herein.

One more picture of Ardisia humilis.
Attachments (1)


Thanks, … It is Ardisia elliptica & not Ardisia humilis Vahl (which is generally confused with Ardisia elliptica), as the inflorescence axillary.


🙂 Can not recollect … could be a large shrub.
Place: Veermata Jijabai Bhonsale Udyan (formerly Victoria Gardens)
Date: 09 MAY 08

ID please.


it is Ardisia solanacea


I think it is Mahua flower.


thank you for the comment; but am convinced that this is Ardisia solanacea.


your plant is Ardisia solanacea for sure.


But as per my observation goes..  Ardisea petals are pink… and often purple tinged..
But the present plant is having white petals…
May be an albino..?

Doubts has been raised about it being Ardisea solanacea in thread:
“plant leaves are not distinctly crenate but neither are they very distinctly entire. So it is definately not A. solanacea but it  is doubtful whether it can be A. parviflora as you have mentioned. Also quoting the entire definition from Dr. Almeida’s flora for A. parviflora if it is of any help: ” A small erect, branched shrub. Leaves coriaceous, 8-11 by 2.5 – 4 cm, obovate, acute, distinctly crenate, pellucido- puncate, base cuneate; petioles 6 mm long. Flowers small, 8-12 cm across, in simple pedunculate axillary or terminal umbels about half as long as the leaves. Corolla small, white, not pink nor spotted. Fruit size of a pea, globose, not striate, red when ripe.”


This is not Ardisia solanacea for sure. So many posts have already been happened on Ardisia solanacea with proper validation.
Please provide the following information on this post;
Whether the calyx lobes small (bigger than A solnaceae that is provided in the previous post) ?
Whether the leaves are obscurely crenulate?
Are the nerves visible?
Is there any gland dots on the leaves?
Are flowers light pink when open?
Do the garden people have any idea where they got it from?


will not be able to answer your queries very well … the agony is … the plant is no longer in the garden … the thought never occurred to me, that a small shrub may be dislodged / removed to make way as part of garden’s routine maintenance.
Though eager to know the ID, will not stress much on my request … because unfortunately cannot recollect much about this plant; photos too are simply two.
By now having seen quite a few A. solanacea posts, this plant seems to be getting far away from it.
Back of my mind, am sure somebody will crack the ID.


Could it be Ardisia elliptica?


I think Ardisia elliptica Thunb., as per images and details herein.


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Shrub For Id-190609-RK-2 – indiantreepix | Google Groups:
Request ID for shrub. Pic taken in Lalbagh on 140609.


it is an Ardisia species from family MYRSINACEAE


I think Ardisia elliptica Thunb., as per images and details herein.



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Plumbaginaceae, Primulaceae and Myrsinaceae Fortnight : Ardisia For ID : Myrsinaceae : Jijamata Udyan,Mumbai : 120614 : AK-8 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3).
Ardisia Species seen in Jijamata Udyan, Mumbai.
For Species id please.

May be Ardisia solanacea


The photographs you have displayed may be Ardisia crenata, A. obovata and A. elliptica


Ardisia for sure. However, the plant looks more like Ardisia elliptica (Shoebutton Ardisia). Please check the leaves character



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Yes, this seems to be some Ardisia sp.
Please compare with Ardisia littoralis Andr.


I dont think this is Ardisia littoralis, but for some other species of Ardisia.


Ardisia elliptica Thunb. ??


I think Ardisia elliptica Thunb., as per images and details herein.


 

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Kolkata, December 2021 :: Tree for ID :: ARK2022-023: 5 images.
This was clicked at the Indian Botanic Garden (AJBC Garden) at Shibpur, Howrah, WB  in December 2021.
Requested to please ID.


Ardisia elliptica Thunb. ??


I see that others too have posted a similar tree from AJCB gardens.

What ID have they been given ?


Ardisia elliptica only.


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Ardisia elliptica Thunb.: 3 very high res. images.

Location: Eden Project, Cornwall, UK
Altitude: 60m.
Date: 03 April 2022
Habit : Cultivated

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MS,June,2022/13 Ardisia ? for id: 2 images.
Location : Sihphir (Rescue Centre), Mizoram

Altitude : ca. 1,000 m 
Date : 26-06-2022
Habit : Undershrub or small shrub.
Habitat : Wild

Pl. check https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/07/ardisia/


Ardisia elliptica Thunb. Syn : Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.


Any keys?

Thanks, …, for the id, which looks most probable.



Yes, appears to be Ardisia solanacea, as per keys also.


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338 ID wild small tree: 15 high res. images.
Please ID wild small tree,
Location: near Vannappuram, Thodupuzha, Idukki Dist., Kerala PIN:685607
Altitude: 1500fsl
Flower date: 07.05.2022, 12.05pm
Habitat: wild, moisture, roadside
Plant habit: small tree, erect, branches, hard woody stem 15 inches base diameter, rough brown bark
Height: 02.5 meters
Leaves: alternate, ovate, apex, simple, glossy, size:10×5cm
Flower: axillary racemose, clustered, 05 petals, diameter:25mm, violet, good fragrance
Fruit: drupe globose, green into black,  diameter:07mm, edible delicious sweet with tamarind taste
Seed: black single globose irregular
Camera: CANON EOS1500D +rr


Ardisia elliptica Thunb.


Yes, it is Ardisia elliptica, dear …, thank you very much for ID my plant,


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Tree For ID – Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh – NW-2023-APR01: 7 images.
Kindly identify this medium sized tree with pink flowers photographed in Horsely Hills, Andhra Pradesh in April 2023.
Leaves about 10 to 15 cm in length. Not my photos.


Ardisia elliptica Thunb. !


IT is Ok, however please verify the ID.


Ardisia solanacea


Ardisia solanacea


Yes, it is the syn !


No … Both are accepted names, there is a huge difference between two; both species currently with me in live.


Yes … Only GBIF says it is the syn. Other links says differently.


Flora of China gives the following keys:

38 (35) Petiole canaliculate; flowers in corymbs or racemes. (39)
+ Petiole marginate; flowers in umbels. (40)
39 (38) Leaf blade elliptic or oblanceolate, conspicuously black punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently black punctate adaxially 10 Ardisia solanacea
+ Leaf blade linear or narrowly lanceolate, black punctate abaxially, prominently black punctate adaxially 11 Ardisia filiformis
40 (38) Sepals rugose basally; leaf blade margin revolute 7 Ardisia elliptica
+ Sepals smooth or verruculose basally; leaf blade margin flat. (41)

From the above, it appears both are really close.
Flowers neither appear to be corymbs or raceme nor in umbel.
How to decide?


May I request you to let us know the differences between the two?


Very simple Garg Ji
In the vegetative condition itself, we will identify both,

Leaves up to 30 cm long matured ones, young leaves  it self more than 10 cm, thick, broadly oblong-ovate…. A solanacea
Leaves up to 10 cm long mature ones, young 2-3cm, thin, ovate …… A elliptica.
When comparing both sp, Ardisia solanacea is double plant body then A elliptica entirely.


eFlora of China says:
Ardisia solanacea Roxburgh: leaf blade elliptic or oblanceolate, 12-20 × 4-7 cm, papery, conspicuously black punctate and punctate-lineate abaxially, not prominently punctate adaxially, base cuneate or narrowly decurrent on petiole, margin subrevolute, entire, apex acute; lateral veins ca. 20 on each side of midrib, raised on both surfaces, marginal vein absent.
Ardisia elliptica Thunberg: leaf blade oblanceolate or obovate, 6-12(-16) × 3-5(-7) cm, subleathery, dull and densely punctate abaxially, especially along margin, base cuneate, margin revolute, entire, apex obtuse or acute; lateral veins 12-34 on each side of midrib, marginal vein present
But it is really difficult to judge the size of leaves from a photograph.


Kindly note that the photographs were sent to me, i havent myself seen the live plant. Im assisting a young man who is making a native plant nursery to replant local species on the hill near his village in Madanapalle District, Andhra Pradesh. For some unknown reason, he is unwilling to directly engage with efloraofindia, tho i have showed how easy it is multiple number of times.
i have asked him to send me better pictures with better detail and more information on the dimensions when he is able to visit the location again with the purpose of collecting fruit and seeds for his nursery.
Im sorry that i cant help much in this endeavor to clarify Ardisia solanacea and A. elliptica at this point.
May i request … to upload pictures of the two specimens he has access to? The efloraofindia database doesn’t have any pictures expressly of A. solanacea and that gap could be thus filled.

I have kept observations of both (due to difficulty in segregating them as well as Catalogue of life treats both as same) at
https://efloraofindia.com/2013/01/24/ardisia-elliptica/


I am just an amateur gardener interested in native species, for reforestry and landscaping, actually more interested in the biology and ecology of plants. efloraofindia is very useful in identifying new plants i come across tho the identify is just the starting point of any understanding. Taxonomical details are not that important for me, personally. But it is very important for efloraofindia that every record is properly classified. I thought that the above debate about the difference between A. elliptica and A. solanacea could be clarified by you since you mentioned that you have access to both and hence, i suggested that you enlighten efloraofindia with a proper photographic documentation. As efloraofindia is based on voluntary contribution, … did not ask you directly and i, perhaps rudely, went above my station with my request.
i can provide my personal details, but i dont see how they are relevant here.


Ardisia ellipica.



Ardisia solanacea.


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ID PLS: (mixed thread): 1 high res. image.


Ardisia elliptica Thunb.


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Ardisia solanacea Roxb.: 5 high res. images.

Location: Tuslsipur – Purandhara – Botechaur Road , Surkhet, West Nepal 
Date: 30 May 2023
Elevation 900m.
Habit : Wild

Location: Baireni, Dhading 
Date: 05 May 2024
Altitude: 450m.
Habitat : Cultivated
8 very high res. images.

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Ardisia solanacea at Kaghinare: Karnataka: PKA13: 3 images.
Ardisia solanacea at Kaghinare: Karnataka


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Ardisia solanacea:

Please have a look ! I have some confusion..
https://www.flowersofindia.Shoebutton%20Ardisia.html

https://indiaflora-ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=869&cat=13

In view of the discussions and difficulty in differentiating them and different interpretations followed by different sources, I am keeping everything at Ardisia elliptica



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References: (Ardisia solanacea (Poir.) Roxb.):

References (Ardisia elliptica Thunb.):

The Plant List Ver.1.1  GRIN  Flora of North America  Flora of China  Wikipedia  Tropicalplant