Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk., Blumea 14: 97 1966. (Syn: Abelmoschus luzonensis Merr.; Abelmoschus mindanaensis Warb.; Abelmoschus tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Wall.Abelmoschus warreensis Dalz.; Erebennus canaranus Alef.; Hibiscus canaranus Miq. ex Mast.; Hibiscus tetraphyllus Roxb.; (≡) Hibiscus tetraphyllus Roxb. ex Hornem.);
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As per efi thread:
Stem non – prickly = A. manihot subsp. manihot (Himalayan subsp.)
Stem prickly = A. manihot subsp. tetraphylla —->
    subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla …….epicalyx lobes covered with small soft hairs
    subsp. tetraphylla var. pungens …….epicalyx lobes covered in long prickly hairs.
Point worth mentioning is, like many many species of the family, flowers bloom in the morning light yellow to yellow, 
they turn pink by evening. Literature I perused, I got this hint that even learned people have confusion on flower color.
Leaf shape is very variable and doesn’t matter in ID process ……leaves are dark green, entire to variably lobed ……it is the epicalyx…broad, long, red …beautiful …prominently displayed on top of branches …. key to ID …….epicalyx lobes fall in fruit …….it is persistent in fruit in A. angulosus.
(Abelmoschus is separated from Hibiscus on basis of calyx…splits on one side in flowering, falls off with corolla on withering)
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India: Throughout; Pakistan, Indo-China, China, Malesia and N. Australia as per BSI Flora of India;
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India (Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala), Malesia, New Guinea, Bismarck Arch. (New Ireland), Australia (Queensland), Myanmar [Burma] (Bago), Nepal, Philippines (Luzon, etc.) as per Catalogue of India;
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Wild flower ID request – RK32 – 26-Oct-2012:
Request id of another wild flower growing wild in Vasai region. The plant is around 6 feet high, photo of entire individual leaf also attached.


Hibiscus tetraphyllus.


Since all species of Section Abelmoschus have been transferred to Genus Abelmoschus, so the plant should be named as Abelmoschus tetraphyllus tetraphyllus Wall. ex Hornem. or if we follow The Plant List then Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Wall. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk., Blumea 14: 97, 1966. It is reasonable to follow latter.



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Plz id this wild plant: pa9 – 26oct2012:
This wild flower is clicked from Yeoor area … the plant is around 7 foot height. I saw a similar looking flower identified as some Hibiscus species in a recent post. Plz id this plant if it is possible.

This plant has already featured today. It is the Wild Ladies’ Finger [Hibiscus tetraphylla].


If this plant is Hibiscus tetraphyllus then the correct name should be Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus as indicated in another thread.


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Sending some of my photographs taken on my property at Shahapur over the last few weekends. Attachments (7)


I also know it as Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus, but yesterday … referred to it as Hibiscus tetraphylla, so I presumed that is the new name. My previous post and discussion on this are available at this link


I wish we had some photographs with calyx and epicalyx in focus, because the plant is differentiated from cultivated lady’s finger (Abelmoschus esculentus in few (less than 6 as against more than 6) and larger broadly ovate epicalyx (5-10 mm broad as against less than 4 mm) and shorter more strongly hispid fruits.


See if these images are what you are looking for …, ignore the labels.
The fruit image is wild for sure but the images -785 & -787 may be cultivated [I have to go back to my archived master images to be sure].


I would say second and third are A. esculentus only if this picture of A. manihot subsp. tetraphyllus is correct
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41867788/


To me there seems to lot of confusion on the net. Some prominent photographs of Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus on the net do not seem to be matching the description in books or efloras.

To me these may not belong to Abelmoschus looking at the small calyx.
Only authentic pectures which bring out the differences between A. esculentus and A. manihot subsp. tetraphyllus and match with the description of latter are on this page of Wikipedia and others

Strange but true perhaps

Both above links of Hibiscus tetraphyllus which I doubted, to me actually may be Thespesia lampas. Here are the links again.

And yes the first photograph of … shows these broader epicalyx of Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus, clearly.



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Hibiscus ID request – RK65 – 18-Dec-2012:  Request identification of the species of this Hibiscus seen in Tungareshwar. The plant is about 2 feet tall. There was only one flower and no leaves.


This is the Wild Ladies’ Fingers [Abelmoschus manihot ssp. tetraphylla]. My photographs of this are available at this link


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Requesting ID of this plant – Mumbai – October 2013 :: 15022014 :: ARK-08: Attachments (3). 4 posts by 3 authors.
Requesting to please ID this plant captured by the roadside in Mumbai in October 2013.


Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus.


Supporting …



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incredible Abelmoschus from Hooghly:

If i knew epicalyx was also very important to ID a plant i would have more concentrated on it, instead of flowers or leaves or fruits!
Habit & Habitat : wild herb in a wasteplace beside railway tracks; about 5 to 7 feet tall; don’t have other figures
Date : 20/10/12, 12.30 p.m.
Place : Hooghly
sites:- efi thread one, two, three and four

Flower stat…


Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus. If we want to go further it would be var. tetraphyllus and not pungens, as there are no prickly hairs on the epicalyx.


I could get hold of its flower only and the same or part thereof was itching. I thought itching = prickly = pungens.


As per FoC Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus var. tetraphyllus is found in Indonesia and Phillippines.

As per Haines, Prain, Roxburgh and Hooker this should be Hibiscus pungens Roxb.


Even though I fully accept that … is last word on Malvaceae as in many many other families I would request Gurcharan Sir to review one more time and give his final verdict. My points of dissent are –
  1. Whatever FoC says about “conspicuous yellow prickly hairs” it gives epicalyx width only upto 5mm, both in KEY and in description of A. manihot as a whole. My species has epicalyx with 10 mm wide lobes – pic DSCN5132
  2. FoP doesn’t have A. manihot itself, but has A. pungens – http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=100020
  3. Sir Prain listed all three – manihot, tetraphyllus, and pungens; and with a special note on tetraphyllus
  4. Haines excluded manihot in his book BoBO and gave KEY & descriptions of tetraphyllus and pungens but no manihot!
  5. I think flower size, petiole much longer than leaf blade, fruit longer than epicalyx and calyx suggest it maybe pungens, neither tetraphyllus nor manihot itself
Attached here relevant entries, and some related photographs.
While some authors like to treat all of the above as a single entity others differ as far as my google search informs.
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Well, …, again I accept … silence as equivalent to hesitation. Let this species remain Abelmoschus manihot only, but please no ssp. tetraphyllus.


Thanks, …, Can we keep it as Abelmoschus manihot (L.) Medik. subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss. Waalk. var. pungens (Roxb.) Hochr. ? in efi as per GRIN till issue is finally resolved ?


I think yes, …


The attached pages from Flora of India (1993) may have some help. Attachments (2)


Thank you very much Sir. Flora of India pages tell me that this species is either subsp. manihot or subsp. tetraphyllus var. pungens.

Now, it is hard to tell which one of the above two this species can be. I found this beside railtracks, so there is less possibility of this plant to be an escape from cultivation. More so because the closest housing complex at that place is at least 200 m away. Moreover, the KEY, about presence/absence of prickly hairs, in the Flora of India you have attached herewith, goes against the notes under subsp. manihot. So, confusion remains.
But, I thank you again, very much, for the paper.


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Feb2015sk11 Hooghly – Hibiscus tetraphyllus Roxb.?  : 2 posts by 1 author. Attachments (8)
Unlike my earlier upload the flowers are much smaller here. “Bengal Plants” says “flowers only 2 in. across” in Hibiscus tetraphyllus Roxb.
I have photographed this species today (6.2.15).
It is not uncommon here, wild in village thickets, or roadside. The plant didn’t have an entire leaf.
What would be current accepted name of this species?


This is Hibiscus tetraphyllus Roxb., the current accepted name of which might be Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus.


I don’t have photographs, but have stats now, of leaves and fruits.

  1. shrub or undershrub with branched from the base, as Haines recorded
  2. Leaf at base deeply three lobed; petiole 6 cm; blade 8.2 cm long, 13 cm wide (from tip to tip of two basal lobes, where lobes are tending to 90° from the central lobe)
  3. fruit 3 cm long; fruiting pedicel 1.3 cm long

Thank you



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Wild Ladies’ Fingers, Abelmoschus manihot spp. tetraphyllus : 8 posts by 6 authors. Attachments (5)
Photographed at my farm at Shahapur.


I have never seen this variety before


… does the leaf shape distinguish this subsp. (from Abelmoschus manihot) ?


I have seen the last picture before-Blyth’s Reed Wabbler.


Good question !

In the classification of Abelmoschus in his ‘Flora of Maharashtra’ Vol 1, Dr.Almeida also lists the following :
A.manihot
A.manihot ssp. tetraphylla
A manihot ssp. tetraphylla var. pungens
A manihot ssp. tetraphylla var. megaspermus

Will take some time for me to figure this out. Meanwhile if someone else is willing to take the call ……


I dont have this part of Flora of Maharastra so just asking out of curiosity, are these taxa named by Dr. Almeida himself?


Here are few
A. manihot subsp manihot                                                 A. manihot ssp. tetraphylla
Plants glabrous,                                                                 Plants hispid, slightly prickly
Petiole 12-15  cm long                                                      Petiole about 6-8 cm long
Leaf lobes linear-oblong, coarsely toothed or lobulate       Lobes lanceolate, crenate-toothed

Flowers about 12 cm across                                               Flowers about 6 cm across


Many thanks … for providing the differences … now will look out for these, the next meeting this plant(s).
Going through them makes me feel that most of the instances, must have overlooked the differences and generalized it to just A. manihot.


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Wild ladyfinger-28.10.10MN:
Sending a photo of wild ladyfinger. Place : Dombivli. Date : 10.10.10

Is it Thespesia lampas as per earlier thread ?


… this is Abelmoschus manihot … commonly known as: edible hibiscus, manihot-mallow, sunset hibiscus, yellow hibiscus • Assamese: usipak • Gujarati: કાંટાલૉ ભેંડે kantalo bhende • Hindi: जंगली भिंडी jungli bhindi • Marathi: रान भेंडी raan bhendi


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Taken at Maharashtra Nature Park,Mumbai, Maharashtra on 19/9/10.
Found growing wild
Plant around 4-5 feet with Yellow flowers.

This is the Wild Ladies’ Fingers [Abelmoschus manihot]. Please check this link for my photographs of this :
https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/…


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Malvaceae Fortnight :: Abelmoschus manihot :: Thane :: DVJUL07 : 1 post by 1 author. 7 images.
Abelmoschus manihot (L.) Medik.
at Vaghbil on various dates 


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.

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Malvaceae week :: Abelmoschus manihot: Abelmoschus manihot (L.) Medik.
a-bel-MOS-kus — from Arabic, abu-al-mosk (father, or source of musk)
MAN-ee-hot — from manioc, the Brazilian name for the plant
[image: Abelmoschus manihot]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdi…> Aug 10, 2007 at Vaghbil, Thane
commonly known as: edible hibiscus, manihot-mallow, sunset hibiscus, yellow hibiscus • *Assamese*: usipak • *Gujarati*: કાંટાલૉ ભેંડે kantalo bhende • *Hindi*: जंगली भिंडी jungli bhindi • *Marathi*: रान भेंडी raan
bhendi
Native to: China, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan, Malesia; widely cultivated in tropics
   – [image: Abelmoschus manihot]<http://www.google.com/url?…>
Nov 6, 2010 at Yeoor Hills, Thane
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… Nov 6, 2010 at Yeoor Hills, Thane
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… Nov 6, 2010 at Yeoor Hills, Thane
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… Sep 18, 2010 at Vaghbil, Thane
– [image: Jungli Bhindi (Hindi: जंगली भिंडी)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=ht…>
… Aug 24, 2007 at Vaghbil, Thane

BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 


Loc.: Tuting, Upper Siang district, Arunachal Pradesh (ca 700m)
Date: Nov. 2007
Locally called as ‘Hidum Tapyak’ by Adi tribes.

Thanks for sharing Jungli Bhindi



Malvaceae week : Abelmoschus manihot
Growing wild in open area in Pune city.

Beautiful flower. What satin look,


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Seeds for ID 210812 NB4 : in my last trip to india dec.11-jan.12 I collected some seeds in capsules. There are two sorts of capsules and the seeds are mixed up.
I can’t remember now, how the Plant looked like. Perhaps someone can identify them.


Azanza lampa and abelmoschus manihot



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Abelmoschus manihot – MN200912: Attachments (1). Abelmoschus manihot
Sweet Hibiscus. Marathi – Ran bhendi
Bhopar, Dombivli
20.9.12


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Abelmoschus manihot—for sharing and validation : Attachments (1). 1 post by 1 author. Pic of Sweet Hibiscus taken at Ambyvalley rd. lonavala/mulshi, pune in oct12.


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss.



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Requesting ID of this plant with pale yellow flowers – Abelmoschus? – Mumbai :05072013 : ARK-02 : September 2012 : Attachments (3). 7 posts by 5 authors.
Requesting to please ID this plant with pale yellow flowers captured in Mumbai in September 2012.
Any Abelmoschus species?


Azanza lampus
In Marathi we call it Ran bhendi


The leaf structure looks different…


Yes. It is Azanza lampus from Malvaceae. Resembles to Bhindi ( Lady’s fingers) flowers and somewhat Thespesia populnea flowers. Hence may be called “रानभेंडी” in Marathi


This is the Wild Ladies’ Fingers. Please check these links

Thank you … for the links and the ID… I gather from the links that this is Abelmoschus manihot

BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Abelmoschus manihot—for sharing and validation : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (3)
pic taken at Aamby valley rd., lonavala, pune in oct.14.


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss.



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Malvaceae Fortnight :: Abelmoschus manihot ::Mumbai:: PKAJUL28 :: : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (2)
Ran Bhendi (Abelmoschus manihot) at Mumbai.



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Malvaceae fortnight :: Abelmoschus manihot :: Pune: SMP03 : 2 posts by 2 authors. 2 images.
Abelmoschus manihot Pune


wonderfully clear and precise photography
appreciate it much

BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Abelmoschus for ID :: Mumbai :: ARKMAR-03 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (5)
Captured this growing wild by the roadside in Mumbai in Oct 2015. I this it is Abelmoschus manihot. Kindly confirm.


efi page on Abelmoschus manihot


I too think it must be Abelmoschus manihot.


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. 



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Names of Plants in India :: Abelmoschus esculentus: 2 posts by 2 authors. 1 image.
via Species‎ > ‎A‎ > ‎
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Illustrated photo at base village Vadgaon of Manikgad, 11 SEP 2011


To me image looks more closer to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk. (with three varities) rather than those at Abelmoschus esculentus (L.) Moench


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Thanks … for validating the post; requesting for further validation …
I am posting a picture of fruit of the plant photographed at base village of Manikgad, posted for listing names.
The plant is cultivated, its fruit is comparatively longer (and there are more varieties bearing yet longer fruits).
The wild species bears fruit just about an inch long.
I believe the posted plant (for listing names) is Abelmoschus esculentus. Please validate again.


Thanks, …
Posted images now are fine.
In your original image in this thread, epicalyx appears to be 4 or 5 and these are much broader as in your 2nd image of Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk. 

Thanks very much for the validation


Due to onset of the new Google Sites, and eventual sunset of the classic Google Sites, I am moving my data from the existing Names of Plants in India to Google’s Blogger. I hope this solution will not let me down again. Thus, my work will now assume shape of a blog for every plant whose names I will gather / compile. One sample blog on Abelmoschus esculentus (L.) Moench for your view.
I have to migrate about 600 odd plants that I had already compiled, to this Blogger, before I set out for new compilations. I hope I will be able to manage it before sunset of classic Google Sites.

Thanks, … Hope for a nice transition.


Nice shot.. ..!! Actually the leaf and fruit morphology played important role here
A. esculentus are common kitchen garden vegetable in outskirts of Ktm valley too.. looks very close to it ..may differ in var. as fruits size and morphology are different.



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Abelmoschus?  : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
Attached is the pic of an Okra plant, seeds of which I got from Wayanad where it grows in the wild. Locally it is called Mara Venda. It gets Yellow flowers. I would like to know the correct name and also if it is edible.


I have since come to know that it is edible and that it’s a fairly long lasting shrub.
No idea about the Botanical name, though.

yes i in namakkal, trichy areas of tamilnadu cultivating for home use. they will call us naatu vendankka (Abelmoschus longifolius (Willd.) ) modern peoples not liking this variety because it has more amount mucus like substance in culnary. after harvesting we can’t store for week. because it will mature fastly. so people they will cut and dry it sunlight. it reduce mucus like substance in sambar and also prevent maturing. nowdays we cannot see this natural cultivar because dominating hybirds varieties


Thank you, … Will save the seeds and try to popularise it since you say it’s disappearing. Thanks also for the tips on drying it.


very interesting, …
Even in varieties we buy there are some that are more mucousy than others…
i imagine  a little drying under the fan in the home would perhaps be similar i imagine???
and in village markets they do sell several different seeds, i was wondering if they are all hybrids?



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Request for ID: 250310-AK-2 – efloraofindia | Google Groups : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3)

Date/Time : 13th of October, 2009/ 2.11 pm
Location Place : Shahapur,Maharashtra … Altitude :  … GPS :
Habitat : Wild … Type :
Plant Habit : Herb … Height : 3-4 feet … Length :
Leaves Type : … Shape : as seen … Size :
Inflorescence Type :  … Size :
Flowers Size : about 2 inches … Colour : light pink
Found growing in the wild by the roadside. There were many of them.
Is this Jangli Bhendi?

the plant in the attached photo is ………………………… Abelmoschus esculentus (Linnaeus) Moench

I am familiar with Lady’s Finger…those flowers are Lemon coloured and not Pink. will send a picture taken at Maharashtra Nature Park in a diff post.
These were seen growing wild.


Just give a search in google with “Abelmoschus esculentus” and see the images, thousand of images will come all have yellow flowers …………its a surprise you will happy.


I agree with …, I have seen both. Incidentally, I have eaten the fruits growing wild too. It tastes just like Lady’s finger. I wonder if you could call it
Jungli Bhendi.


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ID requested DSC4421: Attachments (1)
Date: 05/02/11
Time: 05:44 PM
Picture taken near Vembrand Lake, Kumarakom Bird Sanctuary, Kerala.

– … but for the colour, almost looks like Abelmoschus manihot.


Abelmoschus manihot indeed


BSI Flora of India says that subsp. manihot is mainly cultivated in southeast Asia and sometimes occurs as an escape from cultivation, while subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss. is distributed through out India.
In view taking this as subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Homem.) Borss.



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Fwd: pls help me in identifying these plants- Mew 111015- 2 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (3)- each 1 MB or more

This one may be Kasthuri bendi


Looks like Abelmoschus moschatus to me too.


I think closer to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.

The Bengali name for Hibiscus mutabilis is STHALPADMA and i have seen it shrub occasionally. But does it have okra like fruit? The attached pictures are of a herb, much smaller than STHALPADMA
Species : Hibiscus mutabilis L. ???
Habit & Habitat : wild herb, about 2 ft., uncultivated land
Date : 17-03-12, 9.54 a.m.
Place : Gobra (Hooghly), WB

Negative.


This looks like Kasturi bhendi an ayurvedic herb Abelmoschus moschatus


Thank you very much for the ID of this plant. Taking cue from you i have found description and images at – http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/.
Also learned that these flowers can be yellow also.
Later in order to take more photographs i visited that particular place a number of times but the plant seemed to be vanished. I also searched the surrounding area, there was no trace of a second individual.

besh bhalo argument and link…
but look at the leaves … your leaves do not at all match the leaves in toptropical’s pictures… shape, venation and colors of vein are all different…


Check out this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abelmoschus_moschatus
Actually the yellow flowers when drying look pink. The flowers I have seen were not red like in toptropicals site


I have noticed the differences, last night, but then i thought it might be had been resulted from
  • changes due to varieties
  • change due to plant age
  • change of habitat
  • change due to migration from cultivation to wild propagation
  • change in soil quality, say, available macro & micro nutrients, temp., humidity etc

Many a times i have noticed marked differences in leaf shapes & surface textures of Ipomoea aquatica and I. marginata.

But, then it might also be some other Abelmoschus sp. At least we have some clue now. Please also check –

However, attaching two uncropped images of the same plant for your perusal.


Thank you once again for the link and more information on the plant. I fail to find much data/images from Indian subcontinent so that i could compare the varieties, if available.


Today i visited the place once again. Found three saplings, 6 to 8 inches high, that i think of the same species. But, before i proceed please let me give a bit more details of those saplings. Those three saplings were planted in line with a gap of about 2 ft each. It is as if they were planted by someone, but only three?!
Attaching the images of leaves from those plants/saplings. Please note :-

One seller is selling a plant named “Hibiscus abelmoschus sagittifolius” – http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hibiscus-abelmoschus-sagittifolius-Salmon-Pink-Flowers-Caudiciform-10-seeds-/170843422874 !!! Well, it was for science only, in no way for promoting the seller 🙂


I am very sorry to say that those saplings, pictures attached here, are not Abelmoschus moschatus. I visited those saplings again and noticed that they have grown to blooming Hibiscus vitifolius L. as in – efi thread. … :((

Though the second set of pictures of the saplings turned out to be another species, the plant featuring in the original post is surely Abelmoschus moschatus Medik., as have been identified by …




Talegaon Dabhade Pune
Dec 2015
Requesting to Id this wild straggler I think. is it some Hibiscus species?

Must be Abelmoschus manihot, not sure why growing prostrate.
Please wait for comment(s).

Yes, appears close to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.



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Flower ID Request 20111006:
I grabbed this pic of a flower at IIT Bombay today. The plant was more than 5 feet in height. The plant was growing on the edge of a fresh water lake, Powai Lake inside IIT Bombay. I did not find it grow anywhere away from the lake. Could you please identify this flower for me?


Abelmoschus mannihot may be


Pl also check it for Abelmoschus ficulneus.



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Identification no 131013sn1 : Attachments (1). 2 posts by 2 authors.

I am not sure if this can be identified. I have just one photo, shooting out from a large field of Karvi.
date/time”oct12
location:ambyvalley rd.,lonavala,pune
habitat:wild
plant habit:?
height:about 4-5 ft.

… looks like species of Abelmoschus.


Though not clear appear close to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.
Pl. post original image for confirmation.

attaching more photos which i think is Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus


Yes I agree but of a different plant.



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ID No. 06062011 RD01: Please help me to identify this shrub

Date/Time- 30/5/2011- 09 AM

Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Assam,
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Wild Type
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Shrub
Inflorescence Type/ Size- as seen in the photos
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- Yellow
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- as in photos
Occurrence: Common


May be Abelmoschus moschatus


Surely Abelmoschus,, but flowers are not clear to id species.


I think close to images at Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk.



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Re: Malvaceae : 7 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
Location Kalimpong Darjeeling West Bengal
Please identify

Could not match with any Hibiscus species as per comparative images at /species/m—z/m/malvaceae/hibiscus 


Just check it for Fioria vitifolia (L.) Mattei (Hibiscus vitifolius L.)

Does not match with images at Hibiscus vitifolius
May be some Abelmoschus species.

Gossipium or the cotton plant.

Gossypium sp

Does not match with any species we have so far in efi as below:

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SGNP, Sep 2014 :: Requesting ID of this plant :: ARKOCT-02 : 6 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1).
Requesting to please ID this plant captured at Kanheri Caves, SGNP in Sep 2014.
Is this Abelmoschus manihot?


efi page on Abelmoschus manihot   


Abelmoshatus spp ?


Possible, closeups of calyx, epicalyx or rear view of the flower would have helped to confirm.


Thanks … I try to have better views, but if one is in a group, then it becomes a bit difficult……
Although, will try to get better photographs.




Abelmoschus maniho subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (28)

Long name !!

Two days ago got this query.
Spent some time over it and found the key !
In simple words …
Stem non – prickly = A. manihot subsp. manihot (Himalayan subsp.)
Stem prickly = A. manihot subsp. tetraphylla —->
    subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla …….epicalyx lobes covered with small soft hairs
    subsp. tetraphylla var. pungens …….epicalyx lobes covered in long prickly hairs.
Specimen I collected in Surat today (14 10 2019) morning is definitely Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla !
Point worth mentioning is, like many many species of the family, flowers bloom in the morning light yellow to yellow, 
they turn pink by evening. Literature I perused, I got this hint that even learned people have confusion on flower color.
Leaf shape is very variable and doesn’t matter in ID process ……leaves are dark green, entire to variably lobed ……it is the epicalyx…broad, long, red …beautiful …prominently displayed on top of branches …. key to ID …….epicalyx lobes fall in fruit …….it is persistent in fruit in A. angulosus.
(Abelmoschus is separated from Hibiscus on basis of calyx…splits on one side in flowering, falls off with corolla on withering)
Use …..to clean Jaggery  ….it is crushed along with sugarcane !!! Age old technique of farmers all over India.

Sorry for spelling mistake in subject.
It should be Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla.


you are a true blue researcher, …
do this for medical problems in Gujarat
I am convinced you will make definite inroads to solving some



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Please help to identify this Abelmoschus : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (5)- including 2 mb and 3 mb images.
Please help to identify this Abelmoschus
16 October 19
Agra, U.P

Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphylla var. tetraphylla



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SK 2281 08 November 2019 : 10 posts by 5 authors. Attachments (4) – 579 kb, 1, 1 & 2 mb.
Location:  Ranimahal, Palpa
Date: 25 September 2019
Elevation:648 m.
Habit : Wild
Abelmoschus moschatus Medik. ??

most likely. I have seen tinges of red in leaves but never this kind of fully violet


Any indication … ?


I think its bhindi alright. your dx is correct


Bhindi but wild, isn’t it ? Thank you …!


Neither Abelmoschus esculentus=bhindi, nor Abelmoschus manihot, both ruled out on account of epicalyx.
I have no exposure to Abelmoschus moschatus, but it is supposed to have showy flowers.


Keys in Malvaceae of Southern Peninsular India: A Taxonomic Monograph By V. V. Sivarajan, A. K. Pradeep (1996- Details) & Flora of China lead me to Abelmoschus manihot (L.) Medik.
There is difference of opinion for treatment of its varieties or subspecies in Malvaceae of Southern Peninsular India: A Taxonomic Monograph (treated all under Abelmoschus manihot without any variety or subspecies) and efloras like Flora of China (keys given) and Checklist of Nepal.
In view, I am keeping this under Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk. var. tetraphyllus only.

I go with …


I agree, so far, but still, epicalyx lobes are much longer, so hair-free !!


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Malvaceae for ID : Nasik : 28SEP21 : AK – 052: 4 images.
Malvaceae seen at the Gangapur Grasslands. (28.9.21)


Abelmoschus ficulneus


The one suggested by you has white flowers.
Please check.

This looks different


No ma’am, this is also same, whe flower freshly opened like this, observe the same flower definitely that will change as white after mature,

and
when under shade and fully moisture content available flower will Creamish or Yellowish white
When fully sun exposed and less minerals flower will be purely white,
I have observed these both. and

Even purely  pink, yellow, dark blue flowers also will be in white, that color depends on edaphic factors .


But still it is a little difficult to be convinced.

Since both look much different.


Ok ma’am, if possible share earlier plant photos too here,


Adding pictures of what has been identified on the group or by me as Abelmoschus ficulneus.


Will you provide data as our EfI format for both species


Frankly I don’t know what you mean by providing data in Efi format.
I am not an expert in this field and my approach is always casual in finding out the names of plants that I have clicked.

My identification of the pictures I have added subsequently (White flowers) is only based on my earlier post, other posts on Efloraofindia, Flowersofindia and other images available on Google search.


It’s OK ma’am,

I mean plant data,
where you have collected ex. moist area, dry area, along the road(Habitat), habit (shrub, or herb) either prostrate or erect, height, flowers single or inflorescence tye, about fruit, seeds data only ma’am,

with that information, we will finalize the species,


It was a very small plant by the roadside.
Gangapur Dam is in Nasik.
The area around is known as the Gangapur Grasslands.
I saw this small plant growing near the water body in the grass.

No seed formation as yet.


Ok ma’am,
When we develop like this data for two plants then we will know what are the similarities and dissimilarities,
then easy to identify,


I will watch out for the fruits/seeds.


I think this is Abelmoschus manihot subsp. tetraphyllus (Roxb. ex Hornem.) Borss.Waalk. var. tetraphyllus
(as per comparative images at Abelmoschus)


Adding images of similar plants behind a fence close by.
There were many, some of them about five feet in height.
5 images.


 


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