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Cirsium argyracanthum DC., 640 1838. (Syn: Carduus argyracanthus Wall.; Cirsium royleanum Sch.Bip.; Cirsium stenobracteatum Gilli; Cirsium tibeticum Kitam.; Cnicus argyracanthus (DC.) C.B.Clarke; Echenais cirsioides DC.);
ASTERACEAE Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads: Cirsium verutum from Uttarakhand_DSR_9 : Attachments (2). 4 posts by 3 authors.
Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng (=Cnicus verutus D.Don) is a common thistle in alpine and temperate Himalaya and its gregarious presence in any area usually indicate overgrazing.
Here photographed in Naini Tal, Uttarakhand. Quite common … in most places in W. Himalayas. Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum Yes …, I agree   Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium verutum from Kashmir, Ranikhet and Bhimtal-GS33 : 2 correct images as above. 1 post by 1 author.
Cirsium verutum (D. Don) Spreng.
Syn: Cnicus argyracanthus (DC) C B Clarke; Cnicus involucratus DC.
The plant is differentiated from related species C. wallichii by its usually purplish flowers (though white ones should also be expected if we follow FBI and Collett), outer as well as inner involucre bracts ending in spines longer than 5 mm.
Photographed from Kashmir, Bhimtal and Ranikhet. I think the two images from Gulmarg look different.
I think these are more closer to images and details at Cirsium argyracanthum DC. Bhimtal and ranikhet images are of Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum Yes … .
Syn: C. involucratum DC,, Nom. Illeg.; Cnicus involucratus var. horrida Hook.f.
The species differs from C. wallichii in green involucre bracts ending in spines, outer spines longer, inner shorter, inner bracts not broadened at tip and without scarious margins, and heads in clusters. There is confusion in size of heads FBI and BSI Flora of India indicate larger heads 3.5-6 cm in diam., Flora of China 3-3.5 cm and Flora of Bhutan 1-1.5 cm. Heads are predominantly purple in colour.
Photographed from Ranikhet, Uttarakhand, 14-4-2012. As there are contradictions between BSI Flora of India, Flora of China and Flora of Bhutan as pointed out by you above, let us go by the specimens. Really confusing …, it seems we hardly have real specimens of C. verutum in our database, even this upload by … under C. verutum is similar to mine I feel FOI images also look different and match with specimens of C. argyracanthum (POWO)- one, two. Leaves seem to be much more spiny and rigid, cottony underside missing even in this population uploaded by …, as compared to POWO.
Asteraceae for Id : Attachments (1). 3 posts by 2 authors.
plz id this Asteraceae plant
it is a spiny herb
found on Chopta road
Pic taken May 2013 Cirsium verutum. Nice photograph Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum yes
SK798 14 OCT-2017:ID : 8 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (7)
Location : Tatopani, Pokhara, Nepal
Date : 12 April 2017 Elevation : 5000 ft.
Cirsium … ??
Pl check for Cirsium arvense. In the absence of flowers/ fruits Id cannot be confirmed. Confusing ! Also check comparative images at /species/a—l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium I think close to Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per keys & comparative images at /species/a—l/ar/asteraceae/carduoideae/cirsium Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum Thank you … but I am doubtful about the elevation. As per details at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum, FBI gives 6-9000 ft. Then it may be possible at 5000ft.
Cirsium wallichii I hope I think it is close to Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per images and details herein. I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein. Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum Yes …, I agree
Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads:: Plant for ID SMP 23 Pangot: Attachments (1). 4 posts by 3 authors.
This herb was observed near Pangot region Sub Himalayas
Any Tricholepis sp.?? I don’t think Tricholepis I think it is more closer to Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per images and details herein. I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein. Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum Yes …, I agree
Thistle For ID : Uttarakhand : 160413 : AK-2 : Attachments (3 + 3). 6 posts by 2 authors. Cirsium for sure, if at altitudes below Nainital it would be C. wallichii if heads are white and and involucre bracts broader at tip, C. verutum if heads are purple-pin and bracts with spiny tips.
I could find some more pictures taken near the Bhimtal lake. Hope it helps. Cirsium verutum I hope Cirsium argyracanthum as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum .
No, I do not agree. No nodding heads. Maybe a lot of threads (looking similar to your this post) also needs to be moved from our page at Cirsium wallichii as these look different from POWO specimens- one, two, three to C. argyracanthum (POWO)- specimen one, two C wallichii is very distinctive
Cirsium verutum from Bhimtal, Uttarakhand-GS02012022-4: 4 high res. images. I think C. argyracanthum with such small heads as per keys from BSI flora of India at Cirsium falconeri from Kashmir-GS31122021-1 Also going by specimens of C. verutum (POWO)- one (C. involucratus of FBI) and two (C. involucratus of FBI), I feel your post look different and matches with specimens of C. argyracanthum (POWO)- one, two. Really confusing …, it seems we hardly have real specimens of C. verutum in out database, even this upload by D S Rawat under C. verutum is similar to mine I feel FOI images also look different and match with specimens of C. argyracanthum (POWO)- one, two. . Cirsium verutum in FOI: Thank you very much … Corrected now:
http://www.flowersofindia.Silver-SpineThistle.html
Location: Dailekh, West Nepal
Altitude: 1930m.
Date: 12 August 2021
Habit : Wild Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. ?? No. I think Cirsium argyracanthum, as per images and details herein.
A plant for i.d. : Attachments (1). 5 posts by 3 authors.
Photo Taken near Bomdila in Arunachal Pradesh
Should be a Cirsium species Thanks! It is a Cirsium or Thistle. Can it be a C. canum? I think C. wallichii, inner involucre bracts with dilated tips, without spines, is distinctive and found in only species. It is found in adjoining Sikkim and Nepal I think looks different from Cirsium wallichii DC. as per images and details herein. Ok, thanks. Is it C. undulatum ? Not distributed in India as per POWO. Cirsium argyracanthum Wall. ex DC. ?? Yes, some possibilty as per images at .
SK 3829 04 August 2023: 5 high res. images.
Location: Ghorkhani, Rukum, West Nepal
Date: 31 May 2023
Elevation: 2100 m.
Habit : Wild Cirsium argyracanthum Wall. ex DC. ??
Yes, as per images at . References: Annotated checklist of the flowering plants of Nepal (Cirsium verutum (D. Don) Spreng. with Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as syn.) Encyclopaedia of World Medicinal Plants, Volume 1 By T. Pullaiah Forests Plants of Eastern India By Amal Bhusan Chaudhuri |
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