Cirsium wallichii DC., 643 1838. (syn: Cirsium macracanthum Sch.Bip.; Cirsium nepalense DC.; Cirsium nepalensis DC.; Cirsium wallichii var. fasciculatum (Hook.f.) Raizada; Cirsium wallichii var. platylepis (Hook.f.) Aswal & Mehrotra; Cirsium wallichii var. wallichii ; Cirsium wallichii var. wightii (Hook.f.) Vivek.; Cnicus argyracanthus var. nepalensis (DC.) C.B.Clarke; Cnicus wallichii (DC.) C.B.Clarke; Cnicus wallichii Hook.f.; Cnicus wallichii var. cernua Hook.f.; Cnicus wallichii var. fasciculatum Hook.f. (unresolved); Cnicus wallichii var. nepalensis (DC.) Hook.f.; Cnicus wallichii var. platylepis Hook.f. (unresolved); Cnicus wallichii var. wallichii ; Echenais ferox Edgew. ex C.B.Clarke);
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Afghanistan to Indian Subcontinent: Afghanistan, East Himalaya, India, Nepal, Pakistan, West Himalaya as per POWO;
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commonly known as: Wallich’s thistle • Dogri: भुस्स bhuss, बगूल bagul • Hindi: बूंगसी bungsee • Nepali: ढाडे काँडा dhaade kaandaa, सुङ्गुरे काँडा sunggure kaandaa, थकाल thakaal • Rajasthani: ब्रह्मदण्डी brahmdandi
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Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 : Attachments (4). 1 post by 1 author.
Cirsium wallichii DC.

syn: Cnicus wallichii (DC.) C B Clarke
Similar to Cirsium verutum but having yellow to white heads, and inner involucre bracts with dilated tips.
Photographed from Kashmir.


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Cirsium wallichii DC. from Kashmir:
Cirsium wallichii DC., ; Prodr. 6: 643, 1838

Syn: Cnicus wallichii (DC.) C. B. Clarke; Cirsium nepalense DC.
Thistle plant easily differentiated by white or pale pink flower heads in which tips of inner involucre bracts are not spiny, rather dilated; also spines are confined to margins of leaf at ends of lobes and not on its surface. Taller plant often reaching 2.5 m in height; leaves irregularly pinnately lobed, sessile, usually cottony on lower surface, tips of lobes with strong long spines; heads 2-4 cm across, solitary or clustered, white or pale pink; outer involucre bracts lanceolate ending in rigid spreading spines, inner with dilated tips.
Common in wastelands and roadsides. Photographed from Narbal, along Srinagar Gulmarg Road. 

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Cirsium wallichii from Narbal, Kashmir-GS03012022-1: 4 high res. images.
Cirsium walchii DC
The species is considered very distinct from other species in very distinctly dilated tips of most upper involucre bracts, which have distinct scarious serrulate margins and tips. Some specimens with spiniscent tips may be confused with C. verutum, where tips are narrower and not scarious. Heads are less than 4 cm across, usually solitary on long naked pedunclesor sessile and fascicled.
Here are typical specimens from Narbal, Kashmir, 1600 m, 25-7-2011.


Yes, I agree.


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AKOCT29 Is this Cirsium falconeri ? : 2 posts by 2 authors. No images seen now.
Location: Khajjiar, Himachal Pradesh


Heads are too small for C. falconeri. I should be C. wallichii, notice broadened tips of involucre bracts



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HP, Oct 2014 :: Requesting ID – Asteraceae :: ARKDEC-12 : 5 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (3)
Requesting to please provide ID of this Asteraceae member captured near Manali, HP in October 2014.

Cirsium wallichii


thanks … but would not you too like to see the lower leaves and their surface ?


It is Cnicus argyracanthus.


Thank you … for the feedback…
As per the plant list, Cnicus argyracanthus (var. nepalensis) as suggested by … is a syn. of Cirsium wallichii.


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Cirsium wallichii from Manali-GS03012022-10: 4 high res. images,
Cirsium wallichii clicked from Manali, 23-10-2009


Yes, I agree



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Thistle for ID : Kashmir : 091011 : AK-1:
Picture taken at Patni Top, Udhampur, Kashmir on the 5th of Sept, 11.
Shrubs growing on the mountain slope.
Could this be Cnicus wallichii….or Wallich’sThistle?



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Symbiosis – West Himalayan Common Windmill Butterfly (Byasa polyeuctes letincius) on Cirsium wallichii flower.
Photographed at Kullu District, Himachal Pradesh
Dated – 29June2018

Is there some book which can give details/identification about plant species in Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Ladakh, Nepal, Kashmir?
Wanted to know about angiosperms of all these regions.
May be something like Jungle trees of Central India.


I do not think there is any such book. Mostly there are local floras without many images. However, … will guide us better.



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Circium wallichii from Manali : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2)
Uploading Circium wallichii from Manali. Differes from C. falconeri in upper surface of leaves without spines, smaller heads and dilated inner involucre bracts without spines.

Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr.  as per other threads by Gurcharan Singh ji


I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.
Sorry, I have doubts about whether this is C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir.  Shall come back to these images and comment further.  Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST!   But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.

This was identified in error, It is C. wallichii, flattened inner involucre bracts without spines or very small spiny tips, smaller heads are distinctive. Moreover C. falconeri grows above mostly 2800 m alt.


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SK 3015 04 October 2021: 1 very high res. image.
Location:Jumla, West Nepal
Altitude: 2327m.
Date: 17 August 2021
Habit : Wild
Cirsium wallichii DC. ??


I think Cirsium wallichii DC. as per images and details herein and as per comparative images at Cirsium.


Same date and location !
10 very high res. images.



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This robust thistle was shot from near Dak Pathar, during tour to Chakrata..
can this be Cirsium wallichii ?

Looks like C. argyracanthum DC. which is treated as synonym of C. verutum in Flowers of Himal and Nepal Plants but is distinct in white heads (FBI) and treated distinct even by The Plant List.


I think Cirsium wallichii DC., as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021


In Cirsium wallichii inner involucre bracts are with dilated tips, which I don’t see here.
Please see my upload
Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)


To me phyllaries appear similar to those at Cirsium wallichii DC. and as in your post at Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
Looks different from phyllaries and spines at Cirsium verutum and Cirsium argyracanthum
I do not see any other closer species, as per keys at Cirsium wallichii DC.


Maybe they become dilated when old.
Pl. see Cirsium wallichii ABJUNE2017/01


And when flowers open.



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Cirsium wallichii ABJUNE2017/01 : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (8)
I photographed some plants of this thistle this morning and am sharing these with you. Please correct me if I am wrongly identifying the plant.
Cirsium wallichii
Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP
1850m
08 June 2017.

You are right … Very nice images…!!


Superb images with great details.



I think Cirsium wallichii DC. only, as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021



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Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid Heads: Cirsium falconeri from Chakrata and VOF Tour- NS 42 : Attachments (4).  3 posts by 2 authors.
Here are the pics recorded from Chakrata region and from VOF tour. I hope they belong to Cirisium falconeri…. please validate/correct..


efi page on Cirsium falconeri


This is also C. verutum, Heads smaller, erect, inner involucre bracts with short somewhat recurved spines suggest C. verutum


I feel it appears close to Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per GBIF specimens- onetwothree


I think Cirsium wallichii DC., as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021


To me phyllaries appear similar to those at Cirsium wallichii DC. and as in your post at Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
I think phyllaries become dilated when in flower and after flowering.
Looks different from phyllaries and spines at the tip of phyllaries at Cirsium verutum
I do not see any other closer species, as per keys at Cirsium wallichii DC. 


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VoF Week: Cirsium falconeri from way to Ghangriya:
Cirsium falconeri from way to Ghangriya
pls validate


Yes … Very good photographs


I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.
Of the 3 postings I have taken a very quick look at, this appears closest to C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir. But I am still uncertain. Shall come back to these images and comment further.  Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST!   But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.

I think Cirsium wallichii DC., as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021


I don’t think so, C. wallichii is very different. See my post.
Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
We don’t have to depend on visual images, technical characters are important for me.


What do you suggest?
I do not see any other closer option.


Pl. see the POWO specimens of Cirsium wallichii var. wightii- one and two.


Please see larger heads and spiny tipped bracts. I go with C. verutum.


Phyllaries are not ending in spines to be that species.



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via Species‎ > ‎C‎ > Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. … family: Asteraceae

Flowers of India Discussions at efloraofindia more views in flickr more views on Google Earth
SIR-see-um — Greek kirsion (kind of thistle) … Dave’s Botanary
fal-KON-er-ee — named for Hugh Falconer, Scottish doctor, geologist and botanist in India … Dave’s Botanary 
commonly known asFalconer’s thistle • Nepaliगिद्ध प्वांखे giddh pwankhe 
botanical namesCirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr. … synonymsChamaepeuce horrida DC. • Cnicus falconeri Hook.f. • Cnicus horridus C.B.Clarke [Illegitimate] • Cnicus involucratus (C.B.Clarke) Hook.f. … status at The Plants List (2013). Version 1.1. 
July 31, 2012 … Auli


I think Cirsium wallichii DC., as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021


C. wallichii will never have such large heads.


Looks much different from images at Cirsium falconeri
Do you have any other suggestions?


C. verutum is possible


Phyllaries are not ending in spines here to be that species.


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SK 3195 03 September 2021: 6 very high res. images.

Location: Mugu, Rara, West Nepal
Altitude: 2913m.
Date: 20 August 2021 
Habit : Wild
Cirsium … ????

Cirsium wallichii DC. ?? Since only this sp. is matching the elevation listed in the book !


Flora of Bhutan gives the following keys:
8. Wide or narrow, pale, scarious, lacerate appendage on margins of outer and middle phyllaries near base of spine . …  C. wallichii (specimen at POWO)
+ Phyllaries uniformly tapered, margin sometimes denticulate but not scarious- dilated near the base of the spine . . . .. 9
9. Leaves moderately spiny (spines 5mm); phyllaries purplish, outer usually ending in spine 2–4mm . .. ..  C. tibeticum (syn. of Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per POWO) (specimen at POWO)
+ Leaves very spiny (spines 5-12mm); phyllaries greenish, outer with spines 4-8mm . . . .. C. verutum (specimen at POWO)

In view, it should be C. wallichii (specimen at POWO).

C. tibeticum (syn. of Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per POWO) (specimens shown at POWO are of Cirsium involucratum a syn., which look different from specimens of Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as GBIF (onetwo)


Cirsium argyracanthum Wall. ex DC.


No, it should be C. wallichii (specimen at POWO).



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VOF Week: Cirsium sp. at Auli:
Seen this Cirsium sp. (Family: Asteraceae) at Auli. Could this be Cirsium falconeri??.


Yes Cirsium falconeri, typical alpine species.


I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.
Not sure about whether this is C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir. Shall come back to these images and comment further. Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST! But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.

Heads smaller, erect, inner involucre bracts with short somewhat recurved spines suggest C. verutum


123RF. I guess ID is correct !


I think it is close to images and details at Cirsium argyracanthum DC.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


I think Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


I am still with C. falconeri


Cirsium wallichii is highly variable as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


Pl. also see GBIF specimen- one and two, matching with it.



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Habitat: sloping meadow
Habit: erect herb about 1 – 2 m, stems and leaves – heavily armed
… missed flowering period


Cirsium falconeri I hope
Very common at high altitudes in Western Himalayas.


I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.
Sorry, I have doubts about whether this is C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir.  Shall come back to these images and comment further.  Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST!   But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.

Heads smaller, erect, inner involucre bracts with short somewhat recurved spines suggest C. verutum


Thank you very much … for resurfacing this post, and for suggesting the ID. Revised my notes at flickr.

I think it is more closer to images and details at Cirsium argyracanthum DC.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


I think Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


Again I am still with C. falconeri


Cirsium wallichii is highly variable as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


Pl. also see GBIF specimen- one and two, matching with it.


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For id- 140821- PK2: 1 image.
Location: Sanasar Meadow
2100m amsl
Date-14-08-2021
Habitat-wild


Pl. check comparative images at Cirsium


Check for Cirsium quercetorum ???


Likely to be Cirsium argyracanthum DC., as per images and details herein.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


C. falconeri without any doubt. See very fine long involucre bracts.


Looks much different in all respects as per images at Cirsium falconeri


I think Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


Another C. falconeri I think


Cirsium wallichii is highly variable as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


Pl. also see GBIF specimen- one and two, matching with it.


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Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr.

SIR-see-um — Greek kirsion (kind of thistle) … Dave’s Botanary
fal-KON-er-ee — named for Hugh Falconer, Scottish doctor, geologist and botanist in India … Dave’s Botanary
commonly known as: Falconer’s thistle • Nepali: गिद्ध प्वांखे giddh pwankhe
Native to: Himalaya (Kashmir to Bhutan), Myanmar, s Tibet
References: Flowers of IndiaAnnotated Checklist of the Flowering Plants of Nepal
at Auli on 31 JUL 12


Yes … Very good upload.


I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.
Sorry, I have doubts about whether this is C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir.  Shall come back to these images and comment further.  Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST!   But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


Another post of mine using one of the photos from this post has been suggested the possibility of Cirsium wallichii DC.
Will wait for validating of either Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. OR Cirsium wallichii DC.

Yes, …  There is a mix up in these images.
Only third image is of Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. here.


Thanks very much … for the keen eye.Indeed they are of different plants.
So the 3rd photo is of Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. and first two photos belong to possibly Cirsium wallichii DC.
Do we wait for validations for the above suggestions ?


I don’t think there is mix-up, first two images are focussed head and third showing cluster of heads.
C. wallichii is very with heads mostly smaller than 3.8 cm, and inner involucre bracts have distinct dilated tips  Please see my upload from Kashmir
Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)
All three images according to me are C. verutum


I agreed to mix up because the first two pictures and the last one are of different dates, thus different plants. Though while posting I uploaded them together thinking they belong to the same species. Was not aware there are close species.


I think all three images are of Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


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Asteraceae Week (Part II – Discoid heads) :: Cirsium falconeri at Auli :: PKA17: : :  Attachments (4). 2 posts by 2 authors.
Cirsium falconeri (Family: Asteraceae) at Auli.

Yes … Very good photographs.


Seems to be a repeat posting – see my previous comments.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


I think Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum




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SK1973 05 June 2019 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)- around 750 kb each.

Location: Chandragiri, Kathmandu, Nepal
Altitude: 2456 m.
Date: 27 May 2019
Habit : Wild

I think close to images at Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per comparative images and details at Cirsium 


Thank you …!
Nepali Names : ढाडे काँडा Dhaade Kaandaa / सुङ्गुरे काँडा Sunggure Kaandaa / थकाल Thakaal

I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum



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SK461 29 MAR-2017:ID: 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (9)

Location: Surbinayak, Gundu, Nepal  
Date: 28 March 2017
Altitude: 4800 ft.
Cirsium wallichii DC.  ???

Pl. check with images at Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng.


Looks Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. is correct.


I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


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SK 3078 25 October 2021: 1 very high res. image.
Location: Rara, Nepal
Altitude: 2957m.
Date: 20 August 2021
Habit : Wild
Cirsium..???
Unfortunately only one image !


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng.


I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


 

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Thistle for ID : Kashmir : 091011 : AK-2:
Taken at Gulmarg, Kashmir on the 11th of Sept,11.
Again shrubs frowing along the roadside.

Cirsium verutum (syn: C. acanthifolius)


I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


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SK 3006 01 October 2021: 1 very high res. image.
Location: Kalikot, West Nepal
Altitude: 15000m.
Date: 16 August 2021
Habit : Wild
Which Cirsium… ???


I think Cirsium wallichii DC. as per images and details herein and as per comparative images at Cirsium.


I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.


I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


 



Cirsium wallichii from Dachhigam, Kashmir-GS03012022-3: 4 high res. images.
Here is another distinctive population of C. wallichii from Dachhigam, Kashmir, 2-6-2013.


Maybe.


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Cirsium wallichii from Harwan, Kashmir-GS03012022-2: 4 high res. images.
Here is another typical population of C. wallichii from Harwan, Kashmir, 1800 m, clicked on 17-7-2013.


Yes, I agree.


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Cirsium wallichii from Gulmarg Kashmir for validation-GS03012022-4: 3 high res. images.
I had earlier classified these specimens as C. verutum because of larger purple heads slightly spiny upper involucre bracts, but now it seems they mar better fit C. wallichii, a species which shows a lot of variation and may have spiniscent or acute tips of uppermost bracts, flowers may be yellow, white or red.
Photographed from Gulmarg, Kashmir, 23-7-2011


Yes, I agree.


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Cirsium wallichii from below Gulmarg Kashmir for validation-GS03012022-5: 6 high res. images.
Here is another population from below Gulmarg, Kashmir alt. 2300, differing from Gulmarg population in heads occurring in clusters, otherwise similar, earlier classified as C. verutum, but may be C. wallichii, please validate, clicked on 25-7-2011.


Yes, I agree.


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Cirsium wallichii/verutum from near Udhampore J & K-GS03012022-6: 8 high res. images.
This population from near Udhampore, J & K, alt. 1500 m, which looks similar to both C. wallichii and C. verutum, but involucre bracts are gradually narrowed into spine, lacking scarious tips, more greener like C. verutum, though heads are whiter. Please see bracts of this specimen C. verutum which looks more typical
Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. by Phuentsho on 1 July 2013 (biodiversity.bt)


I think C. wallichii in view of my analysis at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


I agree


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Cirsium wallichii from Chopta, Uttarakhand-GS03012022-7: 2 very high res. images.
Here is another population which I think belongs to C. wallichii,
photographed from Chopta, Uttarakhand, 31-5-2013.


May be.



Cirsium wallichii from Chopta Mandal Road, Uttarakhand-GS03012022-8: 3 very high res. images.
Another population from along Chopta Mandal Road, Uttarakhand, 2-6-2013.


Yes, I agree.




Cirsium wallichii/verutum from Rudrapryag-GS03012022-9: 4 very high res. images.
Here is another population from Rudrapryag, Uttarakhand, alt. around 2200m, which although distributed as C. wallichii may belong to C. verutum looking at involucre bracts.


I think C. wallichii in view of my analysis at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


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Cirsium argyracanthum from Himachal Pradesh-GS31122021-3: 4 high res. images.
Cirsium argyracanthum DC. incl. C. wallichii var. wightii Kook.f.
The heads like C. wallichii are mostly less than 2.5 cm across, but heads are crowded in clusters and pale yellow to white, involucre bracts not dilated, outer ending in long rigid spine, innermost linear long pointed, leaves glabrous on both surfaces.
Photographed from along road between Maa Bhangayani Temple Sirmour towards Nohradhar, alt. 2200 m, Himachal Pradesh, 25-5-2015.


Pl. consider Cirsium verutum as per images and details herein.
Flora of Bhutan gives the following keys:
8. Wide or narrow, pale, scarious, lacerate appendage on margins of outer and middle phyllaries near base of spine . …  C. wallichii (specimen at POWO)- 2300-2400 mtr.
+ Phyllaries uniformly tapered, margin sometimes denticulate but not scarious- dilated near the base of the spine . . . .. 9
9. Leaves moderately spiny (spines 5mm); phyllaries purplish, outer usually ending in spine 2–4mm . .. ..  C. tibeticum (syn. of Cirsium argyracanthum DC. as per POWO) (specimen at POWO)- 1450 to 2750 mtr.
+ Leaves very spiny (spines 5-12mm); phyllaries greenish, outer with spines 4-8mm . . . .. C. verutum (specimen at GBIF (onetwo))- 1500 t0 2100 mtr.


C. verutum I will upload separately


if you read BSI Flora of India, C. tibeticum is excluded species as no specimens from India are available.
Please also note POWO regards C. argyracanthum DC as accepted name and C. tibeticum Kit. as its synonym
Both FBI and BSI Flora of India record Heads 3.5 to 6 cm in C. verutum (C. involucratus of FBI), less than 2,5 cm in C. argyracanthum. BSI Flora mentions heads pale yellow to white in C. argyracanthum, whereas in all Bhutan images, images on Flowers of India and elsewhere heads are are purple in C. verutum.


It seems C. argyracanthum (POWO) and C. verutum (POWO) are a confusing lot in efi postings.
Going by specimens of C. verutum (POWO)- one (C. involucratus of FBI) and two (C. involucratus of FBI), I feel all our posts in efi at Cirsium verutum look different and matches with specimens of C. argyracanthum (POWO)- onetwo.
The post at Cirsium sp?? — enroute Dhel at GHNP – PKA30 may be of C. verutum (POWO)- three (C. involucratus of FBI)
What do you say?


Maybe a lot of threads (looking similar to your this post) also needs to be moved from our page at Cirsium wallichii as these look different from POWO specimens- onetwothree to C. argyracanthum (POWO)- specimen onetwo
It is sometimes difficult to judge the size of heads in close up images. A habit image gives a better perspective.


I think Cirsium wallichii (a highly variable species) as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum
Inner bracts are scarious dilated.


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Cirsium falconeri in FOI:

Images of Cirsium falconeri in FOI look different from images, details and references at Cirsium falconeri
It is something different.
Pl. correct.
Pl. post high resolution images for checking the details and proper id.

… may use my images from Apharwat, Khillenmarg and Gulmarg



Thanks for the recheck. I think this should be Cirsium falconeri because the flower-heads of Cirsium falconeri, with spiny involucre bracts, are quite distinctive. According to FOH, Polunin & Stainton, this is a variable plant. I am attaching the high resolution images here. These are from Narkanda, Himachal Pradesh.


Thanks, …, for the high res. images.
These are of Cirsium wallichii DC. (a highly variable species) as per keys, details and images herein.


Thank you …! I had no idea that Cirsium wallichii is so variable. I think you are right. The images are of Cirsium wallichii.


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Names of Plants in India :: Cirsium wallichii DC.:

SIR-see-um — Greek kirsion (kind of thistle) … Dave’s Botanary
wall-IK-ee-eye — named for Dr. Nathaniel Wallich, Danish plant hunter, botanist and physician … Dave’s Botanarycommonly known as: Wallich’s thistle • Dogri: भुस्स bhuss, बगूल bagul • Hindi: बूंगसी bungsee • Nepali: ढाडे काँडा dhaade kaandaa, सुङ्गुरे काँडा sunggure kaandaa, थकाल thakaal • Rajasthani: ब्रह्मदण्डी brahmdandibotanical namesCirsium wallichii DC. … synonymsCirsium macracanthum Sch.Bip. • Cirsium nepalense DC. • Cnicus wallichii (DC.) C.B.Clarke … and more at POWO

Bibliography / etymology

~~~~~ ENGLISH ~~~~~
Wallich’s thistle
  • Flowers of India
  • this species is named for Dr. Nathaniel Wallich, early 19th century Danish plant hunter, botanist and physician, who worked in India … read more about him at Wikipedia
~~~~~ DOGRI ~~~~~
भुस्स bhuss, बगूल bagul
  • Many thanks to OM Prakash Vidyarthi for help with these name … facebook
~~~~~ HINDI ~~~~~
बूंगसी bungsee
~~~~~ NEPALI ~~~~~
ढाडे काँडा dhaade kaandaa, सुङ्गुरे काँडा sunggure kaandaa, थकाल thakaal
  • Many thanks to Saroj Kumar Kasaju for help with these name … efloraofindia
~~~~~ RAJASTHANI ~~~~~
ब्रह्मदण्डी brahmadandi
~~~~~ x ~~~~~

Great compilation, but I think it is C. falconeri. C. wallichii can’t have that big heads, plus upper bracts are not spiny. See my upload
Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)


I think Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum


 

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