Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don, Gen. Hist. 3: 572 1834. (Syn: Ixora denticulata Pierre ex Pit. [Invalid]; Ixora findlayana B.S.Williams; Ixora merguensis var. parvifolia F.N.Williams);
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NE India (Assam), Indochina, Philippines, Thailand; widely cultivated in tropical zones worldwide as per Flora of China;
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Assam to S. China and Indo-China, Philippines as per WCSP;
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Andaman Is.; Assam; Bangladesh; Belize; Cambodia; China South-Central; China Southeast; Colombia; Cook Is.; Ecuador; Guatemala; Hainan; Laos; Lesser Sunda Is.; Malaya; Nicobar Is.; Philippines; Thailand; Tonga; Trinidad-Tobago; Vietnam as per Catalogue of Life;
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Fragrant Ixora;
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Shrub or small tree up to 5 m tall; leaves opposite, elliptic-lanceolate to obovate, 10-17 cm long, glabrous, base cuneate to obtuse, lateral veins 8-12 pairs; stipules ovate to triangular, 3-6 mm long; petiole distinct 4-10 mm long; flowers white, scented, in dense comymbose cymes 8-10 cm across on up to 4 cm long peduncle; bracts distinct 8-10 mm long; corolla tube 2.5-3 cm long, lobes narrowly elliptic to oblanceolate, 5-6 mm long, less than 1.3-3 mm broad, acute or subacute; fruit globose, 6-8 mm in diam.
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Ixora pavetta (I. parviflora Vahl.) has corolla tube only 8-10 mm long, where as in the above plant the corolla tube is longer than 2 cm (compare with about 4-5 mm long lobes), a feature of I. finlaysoniana.
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for id: small tree with fragrant flowers
ixora or pavetta perhaps
prince of wales museum, mumbai

This is a species of Ixora.


.. is right. It is Ixora species. In Pavetta the styles are almost as long as the tube.
Fragrant flowers and longer corolla tube suggests Ixora finlaysoniana


Its Ixora parviflora


Ixora parviflora Vahl. as described in FBI is Nom. illeg.) and as such synonym of I. pavetta

Ixora pavetta (I. parviflora Vahl.) has corolla tube only 8-10 mm long, where as in the above plant the corolla tube is longer than 2 cm (compare with about 4-5 mm long lobes), a feature of I. finlaysoniana.



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two plants two names which is which: Ixora polyantha and Ixora finlaysoniana??: These two types of plants of Ixora have been bothering me for a long time. Both differ clearly from similar species I. pavetta in much longer corolla tube, 20-30 mm long. Both have nearly elliptic-lanceolate to elliptic-oblanceolate leaves, 6-20 cm long, with cuneate base and narrowed to 5-10 mm long petiole. Both have white flowers, which in one (sp-a) are lesser in number, forming a spreading inflorescence and petals are flat nearly 2.5 mm wide. In second (sp-b) flowers are more in number, dense and forming nearly globose inflorescence; with corolla lobes which are mostly reflexed along the margin (and looking similar to I. pavetta) so that they look very narrow (hardly 1-1.5 mm wide), but a few flowers would have flat corolla lobes which may be up to 2.5 mm wide or so (latter has been tentatively identified by … as I. finlaysoniana).
Ixora polyantha is described from Malabar in India and is commonly cultivated in Pakistan and India according to eFlora of India. Ixora finlaysoniana is plant from Thialand, Phillippines, widely cultivated in China and N E India, as per eFlora of China.

I have tried to find out differences between the two species from available sources, but could not succeed. Could any member lay hands to a publication which describes and keys out both the species, so that our specimens can be clearly fixed?.


Please read eFlora of India as eFlora of Pakistan


This is Ixora finlaysoniana


There is a good monograph on Indian species of Ixora by Tariq Hussain of NBRI. The key and description quite reliable and easy to use. Ixora polyantha is a remarkable species never confusing with any of these shown photographs. I will post a separate photograph of Ixora polyantha for comparison.


It would be helpful to know the full reference of this monograph on Ixora. I am waiting for your upload.


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Flowering Plant For ID: This plant is growing in our garden Village Tala Distt Umariya near Bandhavgarh National Park.. It’s about 6 yrs old and about a meter tall. Flowering first time. May I request you to please help in ID this plant.


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Ixora finlaysoni​ana from Delhi:  Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G. Don, Gen. Hist. 3: 572 1834.
Shrub or small tree up to 5 m tall; leaves elliptic-lanceolate to obovate, up to 15 cm long; flowers white with tube 2.5-3 cm long.

Photographed from Delhi University Nursery in May


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Rubiaceae Week: Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G. Don from Delhi: Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G. Don, Gen. Hist. 3: 572 1834

Shrub or small tree up to 5 m tall; leaves opposite, elliptic-lanceolate to obovate, 10-17 cm long, glabrous, base cuneate to obtuse, lateral veins 8-12 pairs; stipules ovate to triangular, 3-6 mm long; petiole distinct 4-10 mm long; flowers white, scented, in dense comymbose cymes 8-10 cm across on up to 4 cm long peduncle; bracts distinct 8-10 mm long; corolla tube 2.5-3 cm long, lobes narrowly elliptic to oblanceolate, 5-6 mm long, less than 1.3-3 mm broad, acute or subacute; fruit globose, 6-8 mm in diam.

Photographed from Delhi University Nursery in May



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Rubiaceae Week::Ixora chinensis at Mumbai: Bot. name: Ixora chinensis
Family: Rubiaceae
Habitat: Cultivated (Garden)
Plant Habit: Tree.


Ixora chinensis plants are usually much smaller, flowers not white and inflorescence narrower with broader petals. This one I think is Ixora finlaysoniana


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Tree for ID -100114 – RK – 1 : Attachments (3). 5 posts by 3 authors.
Bangalore – 05/01/14 – 1.30 pm. Would appreciate Common & Bot. ID


Ixora finlaysoniana


Thank you … & … for helping out with ID. Checked Ixora sp with flowersofindia. Looks like: Flowers of India. ?


I. pavetta & I. finlaysoniana differ in many characters, including the leaf texture, shape and number of veins.
Also, the petals of are very distinctly.
I agree with … for the ID- Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don


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Cultivated, small, ornamental shrub, approx 4-5 feet in height with white flowers.

Picture taken on 28/3/16.


Ixora chinensis


Thanks, …, for suggesting Ixora chinensis for Id. But I think flowers are not white in Ixora chinensis (Cultivated) as per details herein.

It may be Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don (Cultivated) (Images by Gurcharan Singh & Ranjini Kamath (Id by Santhosh Kumar & Gurumurthi Hegde) (Inserted by J.M.Garg) (For more images & complete details, click on the links))-  Ixora pavetta (I. parviflora Vahl.) has corolla tube only 8-10 mm long, where as in the above plant the corolla tube is longer than 2 cm (compare with about 4-5 mm long lobes), a feature of I. finlaysoniana. 


Please check this website : Toptropicals.  If it is I.finlaysoniana  the flowers are fragrant. Please check.


I had been to Lalbagh recently.

Checked the flowers, they were fragrant.


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ID of ixora species. : 13 posts by 3 authors.
Please help identify ixora species on which bflys are nectoring, in the following link-

Pl. check comparative images at

Zeroed to Ixora Finlaysoniana. Reason is long corola tube more than 2 cm, and leaf shape match. Corolla tube size can be make out due to size of butterfly. Please confirm.


is this your own utube video or if not are you and thru you

are we tresspassing on someone”s copyright?
we dont invite trouble.

please check before reposting other peoples photos. or videos


Not my film. It is film from WildFilmsIndia youtube channel. It is sharable link and public link. They have their own copyright logo at right bottom corner of the film.

If we are just watching the film,  and not using commercially or not changing content then will it be tresspassing for our site?

Not expecting to store this film in our site, is it possible? How can someone make sure that other people’s  media does not get cache or store in our site.


just give the the url or link to what you want to ask about

so whoever wants to see it, sees it comments and then when they are done, only url remains.
plus, now that you know how to, you can go directly to our website, go to i for ixora, and look up matches.
its easier, moe ” legal” without that lag time of sending things in.

when you write”

Not expecting to store this film in our site, is it possible? How can someone make sure that other people’s  media does not get cache or store in our site.”
it implies now someone ie gargji will have to manually delete the someone elsesw’s video and replace it with its url.

so please lets be nice.


for those of you who would like to know:

utube video channels are privately owned, and monetized.
ie the channel owner make money based on number of views and number of subscribers.
this particular video was from a channel called wildfilms india is not creative commons.
with 974,387 subscribers as of now and  651,539,914 views and they aspire to 
and this name of the channel: is not a creative commons …… they do have very nice content.
worth going there and viewing.
states in no uncertain terms that they own the copyright. i quote:
“STOCK AND STILL FOOTAGE
We have over 50, 000 hours of material in our stock archive, with an original focus on South Asia, 
but more recently also an increasingly global content footprint. 
We have 750,000 stills in our archive, including 35 mm celluloid and digital images. 
We own the copyright, IPR and all marketing rights to the entire archive.”   
we surely do not want to infringe on their copyright.
i am sure that was not Sharmila”s intent.

 “…: just give the the url

or link to what you want to ask about
so whoever wants to see it, sees it comments and then when they are done, only url remains.”
With Ref: 👆  Please check my first mail of this thread, there was link of youtube which was shared by me.
It was not the file containing physical film. It is not violation of copyright at all. Even when we go to link on youtube, it shows us
share link which can be shared to many applications including google plus and mail. So definitely it is allowed for us to share this link with others.
“plus, now that you know how to, you can go directly to our website, go to i for ixora, and look up matches.
its easier, moe ” legal” without that lag time of sending things in.”
a link of website we have to refer?   How to find out name of family as in link(for eg here rubiaceae).
Came to know about this plant name ixora because it is written in the film description.
Even many plants look exactly same with little difference which can be confirmed by experts only. I feel experts are here so wanted to get
confirmation about it.  Many people here do that, they share photo and ask for id as per my observation.

“when you write”

Not expecting to store this film in our site, is it possible? How can someone make sure that other people’s  media does not get cache or store in our site.”
it implies now  someone ie gargji will have to manually delete the someone elsesw’s video and replace it with its url.”
With Ref  👆
Definitely not …, and i beg for apology if this implies such way to any person. Someone does not mean …, or you or site administrator.
I wanted to say someone means the user like me who sends media not owned by herself.  Asked this question because besides i did not share any physical

content of youtube film, you raised issue of copyright which made me concern about the issue. So it is just to get some way to remove referential content like image owned by other person than me.


Please check my first mail in this thread. It contains url towards youtube. I understand your concern.

I have taken care of copyright issue already by posting url and not physical film.  Please check my first
mail in this thread. Nothing was intended by me at all. It was just a simple question like any other members of our site
to get exact id of the plant which am not aware of at all. I came to know about ixora because of film description itself.

Like other members post photo, url was posted by me.


yes. thanks. thats is the correct way if you absolutely have to —

but i thought it was waste of time have to look at a video of several minutes that had no data that we require
nobody has that kind of time to id a plant thats the crux of the matter
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yes. people send in photographs they themselves have taken for id.
they also include place state//district// level above sea level, cultivated or wild etc.

information that a true botany group needs. date//season pic taken and if needed/asked for they provide more pics they have taken or more info


“Many people here do that, they share photo and ask for id as per my observation. “
and you will notice in reply they get the link to the page like you did
that’s the purpose of the last ten+ years of endeavors
of this group and making of the website with species pages and providing links to keys etc
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and its voluntary on both sides not obligatory
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be well


“and you will notice in reply they get the link to the page like you did
that’s the purpose of the last ten+ years of endeavors
of this group and making of the website with species pages and providing links to keys etc”
Ref 👆 Definitely Ushadi, it was always the case for my other questions and it should be. But what if we encounter with some plant whose image/media is not owned by us and we need identify what the plant is? Sometimes my friends not able to identify them, so i have to run here to get help from expert. In the video location was not mentioned, what we can do about it?  If we have location and date, we do mention it.
“but i thought it was waste of time have to look at a video of several minutes that had no data that we require nobody has that kind of time to id a plant thats the crux of the matter”
Ref 👆 …, this should not cause worry. Definitely photos are fast. But what if we do not have photos of some
plant. And if someone find it time consuming they can ignore the question. There are many members of our site and all are
free to not answer. My friends also could not identify it so that is the way it is. Question was not asked to you personally at all, trust me.

And there was no expectation from my side that you personally should watch video.


got your point. thanks


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Fwd: SYMBIOSIS : 1162 : 5 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (1)
Attaching a collage of Common Mormon (male) visiting flowers of Ixora parviflora (RANGAN)

love it. pavetia ke o rangan bole? jantum na.


I think Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don (Cultivated)- Ixora pavetta (I. parviflora Vahl.) has corolla tube only 8-10 mm long, where as in the above plant the corolla tube is longer than 2 cm (compare with about 4-5 mm long lobes), a feature of I. finlaysoniana. 



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Fwd: SYMBIOSIS ; 1164 : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)

Attaching a collage of female Common Mormon visiting flowers of Ixora parviflora (RANGAN)


love it. the first picture shows complete wing. looks like a young butterfly. not yet battered from winds or predators


I think Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don (Cultivated)- Ixora pavetta (I. parviflora Vahl.) has corolla tube only 8-10 mm long, where as in the above plant the corolla tube is longer than 2 cm (compare with about 4-5 mm long lobes), a feature of I. finlaysoniana.



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Requesting to please ID this plant with white flowers captured in Mumbai in June 2013.

Any species of Ixora???


Can this be Ixora finlaysoniana?  


Thanks, …, To me also appears close to Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don as per comparative images at Ixora

Thank you … for validating.



 

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Ex-situ Silviculture : Ixora arborea Roxb. : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (10).


I think it should be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 

https://www.nparks.gov.sg/florafaunaweb/flora/2/1/2133

Looks different from /species/m—z/r/rubiaceae/ixora/ixora-pavetta


Now, I am in a dilemma, .. You say this is Ixora finlaysoniana, they say it is Ixora arborea Roxb. !!!


Check for yourself with Ixora pavetta (syn: Ixora arborea Roxb. ex Sm.).

Your plant is different from it.


Such mistakes are quite common in Indian gardens.


Quite a disturbing trend, Sir.



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Ixora pavetta from Delhi: Ixora pavetta Andr., Rep. t. 78. 1799.syn: Ixora parviflora Vahl; Ixora decipiens DC.

Shrub or small tree easily differentiated from other white flowered species in shorter corolla tube not exceeding 12 mm, corolla lobes reflexed; leaves 7-15 cm long oblong or elliptic with up to 5 mm long petiole; flowers in globose inflorescence.

Photographed from Delhi University Nursery in November.


A reply from another thread:

“This is Ixora finlaysoniana


However, it seems that … has not accepted it in his subsequent post & maintained it as Ixora pavetta 


I think it should be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 

https://www.nparks.gov.sg/florafaunaweb/flora/2/1/2133

Grows to a medium size tree (?)
Leaves: Opposite
Flowers: White, very fragrant
I went to reopened Academy of development sciences, Kashele and got few plants. One is this one called Lokhandi. The maali said it has very fragrant white flowers that you can smell from 25 meters! Happy I searched the net and found at least 3 plants by name of Lokhandi.
Please help me identify this one year old seedling correctly.
1.This cannot be Memocylon Umbellatum? Can it be? Memocylon has blue flowers. Are they fragrant?
2.Is it Ixora brachiata? Are I brachiata flowers very fragrant?
3.It definitely cannot be Lepisanthes tetraphylla?

4.Can it be Mammea suriga?


This would be obviously Ixora but unlikely to be I. brachiata because it is a unusual wild plant. If knowingly made, it can be this wild shrub, otherwise it could be I. pavetta a tree sp.


Lokhandi is a name that is used for various species of Ixora. This can be Ixora brachiata however proper identification will need flowers as foliage of Ixora brachiata and Ixora pavetta are quite similar


I think it may be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 

https://www.nparks.gov.sg/florafaunaweb/flora/2/1/2133

Place: Thane city
Time: December 7, 2007 at 9.16am
Habit: small tree
Habitat: planted ornamental
Plant height: about 20 – 25 ft
Have observed such plant in premises of old houses in Thane city, though rare … (even in rural houses of South India); not so common in modern-time gardens.
Some of the images similar to this (dense spherical bunch) on internet are labelled as Ixora finlaysoniana.

I would say Ixora pavetta


I liked the photographs. As usual good ones, well composed.


Many thanks … for the ID.
Assuming Ixora pavetta Andr.
because other is Ixora pavetta Roxb. [Illegitimate]
Found two instances of Ixora pavetta:
1) Pavetta indica L.

Ixora indica (L.) Baill.
Ixora pavetta Roxb. [Illegitimate]

2) Ixora pavetta Andr.

Ixora arborea Roxb. ex Sm.
Ixora decipiens DC.
Ixora parviflora Vahl [Illegitimate]

I think it should be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 

https://www.nparks.gov.sg/florafaunaweb/flora/2/1/2133

Looks different from /species/m—z/r/rubiaceae/ixora/ixora-pavetta


Yes …, thank you.
It is Ixora finlaysoniana and I have already labelled it accordingly.

May be discussed and resolved in some other post.


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Rubiaceae Week: Ixora pavetta Andr. from Delhi: Ixora pavetta Andr., Rep. t. 78. 1799.syn: Ixora parviflora Vahl; Ixora decipiens DC.

Tall shrub or small tree; leaves opposite, oblong or elliptic, 7-15 cm long, obtuse or shortly acuminate; petiole 4-5 mm long; flowers white, sessile, in in condensed corymbose cymes; calyx minute; corolla tube slender, 6-10 mm long; lobes reflexed; fruit globose, black.
Species looks very similar to Ixora finlaysoniana but easily differentiated by its much shorter corolla tube.

Photographed from Delhi University Nursery in November.


I think it should be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 


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SYMBIOSIS : 345 : Attachments (1). 2 posts by 1 author.

Attaching an image of a Humming-bird Hawk Moth on the flowers of Ixora parviflora.


I think it should be Ixora finlaysoniana as per 

https://www.nparks.gov.sg/florafaunaweb/flora/2/1/2133


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Hooghly : might be Ixora polyantha Wight : Attachments (8 + 5).  19 posts by 7 authors.

This is a tree with highly scented big flowers. It cannot be I. parviflora Vahl (I. pavetta Andr.), neither I. undulata Roxb.

Photos were taken on 06-April-2013, in Hooghly.


Attaching more pictures of this Ixora, recorded on 12/4/13, on the same tree/shrub.


I don’t think this is Ixora polyantha.
Please see this efi post
From this it seems that the commonly cultivated Ixora in many gardens is Ixora finlaysonianaWall. ex G. Don, Gen. Hist. 3: 572 1834


Thank you very much. But, why don’t you think it is Ixora polyantha ? I have two queries –

1) Is I. polyantha fragrant?
2) How do you differentiate the two species?
I searched, but – efi thread

Toptropical, Dave’s, The Plant List conflict with each other. So does FoC or FoP.


If you read the descriptions of Ixora polyantha in Cooke’s Flora or in Talbot’s Forest Flora of Bombay Presidency and Sind and compare them to the Flora of China description of Ixora finlaysoniana you will have all the answers.

The obvious differences which can be seen in a photograph are as follows:
1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub.
2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by buildings.
3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded.
4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense white hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud.
5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics.
6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers.
This is a very noticeable feature.
… has quite recently posted a clear photo of I polyantha which should clear your doubts.
As far as I remember I. polyantha is also fragrant.

I apologise if my previous reply cause some frustration.
Requesting experts to add their comments.

Many thanks … for sharing this plant.
Thanks to .. for resurfacing the post.

Thank you very much Radha for the clarification related to I. polyantha and I. finlaysoniana.

There are interesting posts in group’s archive – there have always been doubts about its ID – ranging from I. pavetta to I. polyantha to I finlaysoniana.


Thanks … for the detailed analysis cum description from various sources.

I also observe similar plants in many nearby bungalows in Pune. They must be cultivated ones and should be I. finlaysoniana. Will post the pictures in a separate thread.


Thank you very much for the points to be remembered about I. polyantha and I. finlaysoniana. Some confusions still exist –
1. I. polyantha is a much smaller shrub.
2. It thrives in a moist forest environment and not surrounded by buildings.
  • I do not know about habitat, so i should refrain here. However, Hooghly is a moist area and FoP informs it is cultivated in Pakistan.
3. I. polyantha flower heads are slightly flatter and less rounded.
  • Cooke – “Flowers in corymbiform cymes open or collected into a globose head”
  • Talbot – nothing found
  • Hooker – “…… or open very-many flowered branches robust…” and ” … collected into globose sessile head….”
4. In .I polyantha the branches of the cyme are covered in dense white hairs. This can be clearly seen when the flowers are in bud.
  • Cooke – “.. usually densely clothed with white hairs…..”
  • Talbot – nothing found
  • Hooker – ” …. sometimes white with dense woolly spreading hair…”
5. The leaves of I polyantha have extremely short petioles and often the leaves are sessile. Its leaves also appear more wrinkly than the flat leaves of the cultivated plant in your pics.
  • Cooke – (in I. polyantha) petiole 1/8 to 3/8 th in. long. That translates to about 3 mm to 9,5 mm, which is almost same as Ixora finlaysoniana in FoC
  • Talbot – nothing found
  • Hooker – leaves sessile or short petioled
  • Again i refrain about wrinkly leaves, because nothing found anywhere
6. In I. polyantha the fruits are bright red and even before they are ripe you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. This is a very noticeable feature.
  • nothing found on red calyx lobes in Talbot and Hooker. Ripe fruits are red in Cooke

Now, for winkled leaves, red calyx, please check –

http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=96985.

Found Ixora finlaysoniana

I skipped eFI posts.


the points I have written to you are based on my own observations of the two plants in the field and later confirmed by written texts. 

In the end all we have are our own experiences which we can offer to others.


In your earlier mail it was, If you read the descriptions of Ixora polyantha in Cooke’s Flora or in Talbot’s Forest Flora of Bombay Presidency and Sind and compare them to the Flora of China description of Ixora finlaysoniana you will have all the answers.”
In the latest mail it is, “the points I have written to you are based on my own observations of the two plants in the field and later confirmed by written texts.

My view is the same as it was in my earlier mail.


Thanks … for a very detailed analysis with links. It should go a long way finally nailing the identity. My understanding of differences between two species under discussion is as under:

I. polyantha                                                                               I. finlaysoniana
1. Small shrub                                                                         1. Shrub or tree reaching up to 18 feet
2. stipules broadly ovate                                                         2. Stipules triangular-ovate
3. Leaves 15-30 cm long                                                        3. Leaves 10-17 cm long
4. Cymes densely covered with white hairs                           4. Cymes puberulous, not with white hairs
5. Calyx hairy, tube 3-5 mm long,                                          5. Calyx glabrous, tube 1-1.5 mm long, lobes 6-8 mm long                                                                                                 
lobes 4-6 mm long.

Thank you Sir.

My understanding is a bit different. All the points i have found about the two species, in various literature, FoC+FoP, and other sites, i think, are not distinctive enough to come to any conclusion, specially when the plants under consideration are selective cultivars.


Finally it may be concluded that your plant is Ixora finlaysoniana not I.polyantha


Great! I was expecting this! Why so hurry dear …, to reach to a conclusion?

Don’t you think all of you are contradicting yourselves?
Let’s see who has Ixora polyantha in our group. Certainly you have one, uploaded twice and validated by yourself and … … has one. … i has one. And….. well, i will come to this later. Should i paste here the links? I skip for the time being.
  • What … informs?
Again i copy a few words i received from …- 1) “….you can see red calyx lobes at the base of the wilting flowers. This is a very noticeable feature.….” 2) “Santhosh Kumar has quite recently posted a clear photo of I polyantha which should clear your doubts”
Do you think i need to get my eyes checked by a good optician/doctor. Because i fail to see any red calyx in your post(s) or in post(s) by Gurcharan Sir.
  • what … says?
… post gets validated by … “red calyx”. Strange! i wonder how … “red calyx” turns green in … and …!
Moreover, …seems to know I. polyantha very well, yet he identifies a 15 ft tree (or shrub, whatever it may) as I. polyantha!!!
  • what …says?
Well, i am yet to see … cards.
  • what is red calyx – white Ixora?
How do i know … is correct? She contradicts herself. Besides there is an illustration – http://plantgenera.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=96985 showing red calyx-white flowers, which is I chinensis Lam. Moreover, one eflora informs flowers of I.finlaysoniana are cream-white!!! Of course some creams are pure white too!!!
  • globose or flatter heads?
What i happens if i show you flatter head with few flowers in this very tree?
  • tree or shrub?
That’s the only point you have, not strong enough. You know it far better than me that cultivated plants defy many rules.
None of you could show white hairs (sometimes, not always), hairy calyx (pubescent, not hairy), stipules or other identifying characters in your uploads. Hint of white patch can be found in … post, not sure if those are white hairs or moulds, equally not sure if that is I. polyantha or some other. So much contradicting posts and identification!!!

Very interesting, isn’t it?


That was my blunder of putting the guess as I. polyantha

Got carried away looking at the rather lax inflorescence – more nearer look-wise to I. polyantha than I. finlaysoniana … I totally missed seeing the words 15 ft tree.
Certainly my guess has added to your confusion.
Please accept my apologies.


Please do not say apology. Whatever i i have learned about flora is all from you, ……. recently …. each and every member in this group.

I argue, to learn, to find the truth, as you have said in another mail – all of us. Nothing personal. As you have also said expressions vary from person to person, while communicating.


One day i may be able to prove that you are correct.

Please do not get hurt with my views opposing you. I too felt same, many times, one example, for you

efi thread


I guess ID is correct !


Yes …, thanks a lot for confirmation.



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Chinese Ixora, Introduced
Habitat: Garden
03 Mar 2011

FOI


May be I. finlaysoniana



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Fwd: SYMBIOSIS 1190 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1)

Attaching a collage of Common Emigrant visiting flowers of Ixora sp.

Looks like I. pavetta


Looks like I. pavetta!


Not Ixora pavetta as per images and detail herein.


Appears close to Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don as per comparative images at Ixora



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Hooghly Today : white Ixora: FoP has three white Ixora – 1) I. polyantha 2) I. pavetta and 3) I. undulata. FoP also informs I. pavetta Andr. is a small tree and the other two are shrub or small shrub.

Found this plant today in a PWD compound, i think it is a tree of about 15 ft. These flowers looks like the ones at – Flickr , yet i am not sure, for there is a discussion at – efi thread.


Many thanks … for this upload.

I guess this is Ixora polyantha … ref: Janaki Ammal Herbarium

Hope we get soon to the paper suggested by … Revision of Indian Pavetta by Deb & Rout, BSI Calcutta


Please check it again, in the context of – efi thread.


Ixora pavetta Andrews


Not Ixora pavetta as per images and detail herein. 

Appears close to Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don as per comparative images at Ixora



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Ixora For ID : Muscat : 010414 : AK-1 : 8 posts by 4 authors.  Attachments(2).

Ornamental Ixora seen in a garden in Muscat.

It is a around 7-8 feet tree with white flowers.

Species id please.


Is it Ixora finlaysoniana?


This is Ixora parviflora– highly fragnant, blooms are very attractive and r in big bowl shape and cluster, long lasting, pure white. Very good for oman climate. Can grow up to 3m height.


yaa,.. i think it is Ixora finlaysoniana– Rubiaceae family.. very common in kerala… Local name-Vella thetchi.


efi page on Ixora finlaysoniana (Cultivated) & Ixora pavetta (syn. Ixora parviflora Vahl [Illegitimate];


As I go through books

1.Complete Gardening in India by K S Gopalaswmiengar.Forth edition 1991 page no.428 As Ixora Parviflora is a large shrub or a small tree bearing pure white flowers almost throughout the year.
2.In book Hortica first edition june 1992 by Alfred R Graf, on page no. 1077 Ixora finlaysaniana 4 lobed flowers in large cluster 10 cm across at Madras temples.
3.In book Tropica first edition may 1978 by A R Grag, page no. 865 & 866 it is mention same type of flower by name I.Pavetta opaca-christmas bush,sweetly flower in South Africa, s summer.

But all I believe on K S G BOOK ,well known horticulturist of India


Looks matching as per leaf.


Not Ixora pavetta as per images and detail herein. 

Appears close to Ixora finlaysoniana Wall. ex G.Don as per comparative images at Ixora


… had suggested the same earlier.


I did not find its distribution for Oman anywhere!


This was a cultivated plant in a cultivated garden.


OK …


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Ixora Species for ID : Nasik : 23MAR21 : AK-06
2 images.
Ixora Species seen in Nasik.

White flowers with a very nice fragrance in the evening, when I saw them.


Ixora pavetta


Can we check with Ixora finlaysoniana?


For me it looks like Ixora finlaysoniana:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixora_finlaysoniana


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