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Pterygota alata ‘diversifolia’;
‘Mad Tree’;
201210-PR -For ID-Chennai.: Please help me id the tree whose varied leaves I have photographed. -This is Pterygota alata ‘diversifolia’ also called the ‘Mad Tree’.
-Yes Pterygota alata, I first saw this tree in Indian Botanic garden as this plant has no prefect leaf shape -Close but not exactly – it is called the ‘Mad Tree’ because no two of its leaves are of the same shape. -People give very peculiar names to the plants based on their perception and sometimes these names continue their use in local language. Some times they even relate it to religion by attaching some god’s name to it. Thats a way of local nomenclature. It does help a lot at time whereas creates confusion too. One such example is HABE AMRI, which is a broken, molested, marathi word for HABENARIA and nothing else according to me.
The plant growing in Howrah Botanic Garden which is called Mad Tree is Chrysophyllum cainito. Bengalis also call it rasogulla tree, I imagine why dont they call it Gulab Jamun tree as the fruits are dark bluish brinjal or brown like a Gulab Jamun.
Pterygota alata “diversifolia” is called Mad Tree or Buddha’s coconut!!
-I had seen the Mad tree at Acharya Jagadish Chandra Bose Indian Botanical Garden, Howrah, it is Pterygota alata.
-The tree featured here is Buddha’s Coconut [Pterygota alata]. The ‘Mad Tree’ [Pterygota alata ‘diversifolia’] is a varient of this. It is propagated by cuttings or air-layering. -Does this mean that this is an aberration like the Ficus Krishnae which is obtained only from cuttings? Found this small tree with unusual leaves on 29/7/14.
No flowers or fruits.
Id please.
Leaves look like a bignoniaceae…even simple…
This remains unidentified.
Adding pictures taken in April this year.
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many of these leaves seem eaten up or torn, physically.
do you have pictures of some intactleaves showing the different shapes of leaves? and the tree trunk and bark pics???
If it is really different leaf shape, i know what it is but i would like to have the data from you first
It’s a very small tree. Don’t have the pictures of bark or tree trunk. These are the leaves I had added in my first post.
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Blind guess: Pterygota alata or related plant Thanks, … I also feel the same.
well … is right, sort of. 🙂
its called the MAD tree// Pagla gachh, a unique variant of Pterygota alata, called Pterygota alata diversifolia
budhhas coconut
on our page https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m–-z/m/malvaceae/pterygota/pterygota-alata
… has shown the diversity of the fallen leaves.
so far from the discussions i surmise
there is at least one specimen in Kolkata (Agri Horti,); Shibpur ( Botanical garden,); Chennai (Agri horti) Bangalore (IISC campus) and now Bangalore (Lalbagh).
good documentation of occurrence. I know you go back to Lalbagh often
next few years if you remember you can help guage its growth over the years.
Thanks, …, One of the highest and straightish/ longish trees I have possibly seen in Kolkata. One is in Agri horticulture society, another in Turf view near race course and another one in Garden reach area of South Eastern Railway.
wow. they were all pagla gachh in so many locations?? or the regular buddhas coconut tree?
Pterygota alata diversifolia is available only in Agri Horticulture Society.
I actually found a family but not the exact genus, but let me try to remember and send a mail. i thought it is a Mad tree Pterygotta alata diversifolia.
please look at reponses above in this thread
yes … the shibpur notation was ffrom what i remembered something … had said many years ago and i had even gone to shibpur
not finding it. i thought it was my failure but today your comment reassures me.
there are some regular pterygolta alata trees, spectacularly tall ones in victoria memorial grounds, both eastern and western boundary
most birds of prey like to nest on top to watch and be safe. esp vultures as they tried to recover themselves from oblivion from
the diclofenac disaster.
Thanks a lot for the id of this long pending post of mine.
Pterygota alata var. irregularis could be a Syn?
yea but you dont have an id till … get back to us with his memory of the flower and possible id this case is not complete
I tried to remember and searched, but not able to remember.
Will keep looking for it.
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Pterygota alata ‘diversifolia’
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Pterygota alata ?
Pterygota alata 2 ? : Attachments (1). 1 post by 1 author.
Same seedling from the previous post.
ficus? Hooghly 29-01-13 sk2: Found this wild plant that may grow to a tree or shrub in a village thicket. There were a few of them, wild, with various shapes of lamina. The last picture is of a second individual.Species : UNKNOWNH & H : 3 to 5 ft high, leaves are more than 1 ft long, both surface rough, stem hairyDate : 29/1/13Place : Hooghly
just a guess.. some Croton ?
Ficus heterophylla ?
Thank you very much …, i was reading description of Ficus heterophylla in the “Bengal Plants”, “Flora of British India”, “Flora Indica” and in FoC. I found that the following points, as have been described in the above documents, are missing in my plant –
- according to FoC and F. B. I. the length of F. heterophylla leaf should be 15 cm or less, but this species has 1 ft long leaves (or slightly longer); Bengal Plants and Flora Indica do not give leaf size
- unlike FoC description, i couldn’t find any stipule in this plant
Otherwise rest of the description seems to be ok with this plant.
when growing in the shade and covered by other plants F. heterophylla can have much larger leaves and their shape is very variable.
Thank you very much for the ID and its confirmation for one more time.
Flora of China writes, “Stipules caducous”, so thats the reason you didnt find the stipule on plant.I am attaching one reference for you. Please check Ficus heterophylla and then check the references on the list, most of them are there online for free, I checked a few too. There are illustrations too. Unfortunately no one writes that leaves are above 1 feet long sometimes. Buta s the name HETEROPHYLLA suggests that leaf shape and size would be certainyl variable. I assume you can actually write one article about the heterophyllous leaves of Ficus heterophylla.If possible please check if you have any pic of the apex of the where new leaf buds are present.I love Ficus and there are some more people like … who can be of help too if you can contact him.AttachmentTaiwania_Ficus.pdf
what a nice paper
lists more than hundred ficus(es) in India
no wonder
I see a ficus looking tree and cant place in in my memory classification of about 10 …
this would help to know and not to go crazy when I cant classify something….
but where do I find a key? so that I can (slowly) (painstakingly)
to all of these 100+ ficus(es) ….?
Actually Ficus is not easy to describe and identify without fruits.
There should be some key in the flora of british India.
Thank you very much.I don’t have any pic of the apex of this plant. Neither, did it secrete any latex when i plucked a leaf.
This is not F. heterophylla L.f., no matter what experience of … tells. Please wait until you have the flowers and fruits.
It may very well not be.
Ficus heterophylla was a guess based on available images and information
What a lot of persistent hard work on both of your parts… to recall a case from 2013 …
I personally think its not a ficus at all…. with that thin a leaf and crazy shapes …
this is most likely Pterygota alata var. Irregularis of Sterculiaceae
there are two very nuice specimen…one each in the Hort and Kol Bot G…
it flowers in feb to march…
locally known in Bangla langauge as Pagla gaachh or mad tree, since noen of the leaves resemble each other… in size and shape…
found in Bengal India (may be other states too) and Bangladesh..… if you have all your pictures from last year you probably did see it at the HORT
its the first big tree after you come out of the office and turn right, it even has a prominent green backed label board with prominent white writing or vice versa .. cant remember which is newer board..
one at the Kol Bot G is even older tree with quite prominent well developed buttresses … if i remember correctly its on the path that leads towards the Ganges if you are coming from the great banyan tree, quite a few hundred steps from it..
Perhaps I have missed both the trees in HORT or in Shibpur Bot., I fail to remember if I have noticed it there. This plant may be the same. I am not sure. Recently I have found it again where I did find Baliospermum I uploaded a few days ago. Moreover, a recent thread on Ficus reminded me of this thread. I do not know what this plant maybe. I would wait for its flowers or fruits or both! Till then it remains unresolved.
fair enoughif its pterygota alata var irregularis.. flowers in end of winter
so till then rememeber this thread or mark your calendar to revisit
if its a ficus most flower in spring as in now and fruit in middle of the hottest summer
By the way the red bead tree Adenanthera pavonia should start flowering now… be on the look out for it
Yes Didi, I will remain alert for both the trees.
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Pterygota alata
Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R.Br., Pterocymbium 234 1844. (Syn. Clompanus alata (Roxb.) Kuntze; Pterygota roxburghii Schott & Endl.; Sterculia alata Roxb.);.¿ ter-ee-GO-to ?– from the Greek pterygotós (winged)
a-LAY-tuh — winged
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commonly known as: buddha coconut • Assamese: tula • Bengali: buddha narikel • Kannada: kolugida • Malayalam: porila • Marathi: करवटी karvati • Tamil: கொடைத்தோண்டி kodaittondi
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Native to: India, south-east Asia
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Malvaceae week : Pterygota alata Syn. Sterculia alata:
Malvaceae week : Pterygota alata Syn. Sterculia alata
Earlier :Sterculiaceae
Buddha’s coconut.
Observed in a private bungalow Pune. and also in Rani Bag Mumbai.
Flowers are polygamous. I think in one of my pictures both male and female flowers are visible.
I have seen only one tree in Delhi University in vegetative condition.
Nice one we call it “Pagla gach” (mad tree in bengali) because its heterogeneous leaf morphology.. have seen one in Indian Botanic garden
NA ….. Pagla gachh is a variant… of Pterygota alata… there is one in Kol Bot garden ( several baby trees too and one in the Hort… I am going to upload the one from Hort in a day or two…. the native pterygota alata
is a very tall tree and is deciduous.. the variant Pagla one never looses all its leaves… that’s a big difference…
Several native ones are in victoria memorial … at least a hundred years old… and very tall. without leaves provides a perch for now recovering population of the vultures in winter … one year we volunteered to count them and their nesting pairs… may be i’ll try and find the pictures and upload them….
Submitting an interesting tree and its variant …Family: Malvaceae
Subfamily: Sterculioideae
Genus: Pterygota
Species 1: Pterygota alata
2: Pterygota alata var. irregularis
These trees grow very tall, have the typical sterculoid leaves… and both develop the seed pod that’s called the Boddha’s coconut …#1: , the regular p. alata happens to be deciduous….looses all its leaves, being the tallest it provides a look out perch for the vultures…After some years of dwindling number they had disappeared for a few years… reappearing to nest in the victoria memorial gardens in Kolkata… and vicinity…And they used to perch on three pterygota alata trees we have there… we use to go and count through the seacon.. to assure ourselves that they were there to stay…They are in figure 6 and 7… towards end of spring in April.#2 : The most interesting Pterygota is the PAGLA gachh… or the mad tree… so called because None of its leaves match each other, each one is different…And its not deciduous… you’ll notice in the pictures that 20 percent or so leaves are turning brown… ready to fall…These digital pics are from 2007 fig 1, 2) and 2011 (fig 3 and 4) all from the Hort gardens… see the label /Placard has changed… and fig number 5 is from Kolkata Bot G, beginning of summer each.
Could see the vultures and the Sterculia fruit adopted the shape of vulture.
Help in Id DSC 8600/04 : Attachments (2). 3 posts by 3 authors.
This is a tree found along road in IIT Bombay, Mumbai, Maharashtra. Its about 12 feet in height.
This can be Sterculia alata.. though cannot be certain..
Likely to be Sterculia alata.
sterculia alata, chandigarh : Attachments (5). 1 post by 1 author.
sterculia alata, chandigarh
june 2013
Interesting plants of AJCB Indian Botanic Garden: MAD TREE (Pterygota alata var. irregularis), Shibpur, Howrah: SCFEB25 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (1).Pterygota alata ( Roxb. ) R.Br. var. irregularis ( W.W.Sm. ) Deb & S.K.Basu (Family- Malvaceae)
This plant is also known as MAD TREE because leaves are of variously shaped in a single branch.
Pterygota alata from Uttarakhand: May 2014 DSR_4 : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (2).
Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R. Br. (Malvaceae, earlier Sterculiaceae) is a handsom tree with straight bole. Here in Pantnagar (Uttarakhand) we have a solitary tree, obviously planted.Leaves have started falling from the tree nowadays and meanwhile I was able to locate some of the “Buddha’s Coconuts” (fruits of it) on the high branches.
Seed dispersal is aided by wing on seeds and tree is half naked thus foliage do not come in way of blowing seeds.
Thanks …, I was able to get flower pics of the same tree this year..they are high up..
Hypericaceae, Clusiaceae and Dipterocarpaceae Fortnight: Shorea robusta from TDL Herbal Garden, Yamuna nagar-GSNOV15 : 5 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (2)
Shorea robusta, photographed from TDL Herbal garden in Yamunanagar.
Can this be Sterculia alata instead..
Thanks … for correction.
Your are quite aware that flowers and fruits are important criteria for the identification of any plant. Your photograph has only leaves which leads difficulties for the identification of any plant. However the shape and the structures of leaves I agree with Dr. Nidhan Singh that tree can be Sterculia and the species can be nobilis instead alata.
Malvaceae Fortnight :: Sterculia alata ::Mumbai :: PKAJUL59: : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)
Sterculia alata at Mumbai.
… a composite is nice but i could not really enjoy the flowers here
did you by any chance save a naive pic not processed to be in this poster ??
Malvaceae Fortnight :: Sterculia sp.? ::Yana :: PKAJUL99: : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)
Very Tall Sterculia trees seen at Yana (North Karnataka).
Could this be Sterculia alata?
Yes …, To me this is Sterculia alata ..
Malvaceae fortnight ::Pterygota alata: Pune: SMP23 : 1 post by 1 author. 4 images.Pterygota alata
Sterculia alata
Malvaceae Fortnight- Post 43 :: Sterculia alata : NS August 28/28 : 1 post by 1 author. Attachments (7)These shots were taken in K.U. Kururkshetra..A big tree, known more for its look and grace than for its flowers…Sterculia alata …
ID – Tree MS/J15/001 : 3 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (5)Please help identify enclosed tree photos.
Location – Lonavala, Maharashtra
This is probably Pterygota alata…
Pterygota alata
ID GK2 : 5 posts by 1 author. Attachments (1)
Please identify this shrub growing near a riparian location in Kannur district of Kerala at an altitude of approximately 350 feet. Fruit like structures are visible.
Pterygota alata
It is Erythopalum populifolium
I also agree with … as images are close to images at Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R.Br. rather than those at Erythropalum scandens
ID KANNUR 0602 : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (1)Please identify this large shrub from kannur district of Kerala,
It looks like Sterculia alata
Pterygota alata
in April first fortnight Pune Maharashtra; Tree for ID from Pachmarhi – indiantreepix | Google Groups Tree for Id- 270310Jm3 – efloraofindia | Google Groups For ID:03/04/08 SMP 1 Pune – indiantreepix | Google Groups
Pterygota alata: Just to share……..
Pterygota alata Syn Sterculia alata
Family : Sterculiaceae
Many huge trees planted in Rani Bag Jijamata Udyan Byculla Mumbai.
Some were flowering on 27th Feb 2011.
Malvaceae week :: Pterygota alata: Pterygota alata (L.) Willd.
¿ ter-ee-GO-to ?– from the Greek pterygotós (winged)
a-LAY-tuh — wingedcommonly known as: buddha coconut • *Assamese*: tula • *Bengali*: buddha narikel • *Kannada*: kolugida • *Malayalam*: porila • *Marathi*: करवटी karvati • *Tamil*: கொடைத்தோண்டி kodaittondiNative to: India, south-east Asia
I love to see this tree with straight long trunk in the evergreen forests.
Id required!:
Can some one give me the ID for this tree?
Yes fruits and seeds of Pterygota alata of Malvaceae (earlier in Sterculiaceae) family.
Commonly known as Buddha’s coconut.
Requesting id:
Gateway to JOG Falls, Shimoga district, karnataka is Talguppa for southern people. Railway line after conversion got open recently. Five huge trees in fruiting attracted our attention. Looks to be exotic. Requesting id.
I think … is right.
It is Pterygota alata Syn. Sterculia alata
This is Pterigota alata, commonly known as Budha’s coconut. I have seen this tree in Madras Theosophical society campus also.
It is Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R. Brown (Syn: Sterculia alata)- of Sterculiaceae family. It is not an exotic species as they are distributed in our forests they grow as tall as >35m in the evergreen forests.
Please visit@ Biotik
efloraofindia:”For Id 28032013MR2’’ tall tree with big roundish leaves at Pune : 3 images. 4 posts by 2 authors. 29/01/2013. requesting identification of a tall roadside tree at Bund garden corner at Pune. There are 2 such trees with big roundish leaves. no flowers or fruits were seen. Sorry for the poor quality of pics
i think this is sterculia alata
Identification : 7 posts by 4 authors. Attachments (3)- around 700 kb each.Kindly identify this tree.Date/Time- 10 FEB 2019Location-Place, Altitude, GPS-Hosakerehalli, BengaluruHabitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Urban (Road side)Plant Habit-Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Tree
Height/Length- 10 m tall
Looks like Sterculiaceae tree. Please check for Pterigota (P.alata ?).
Please check for Berrya cordifolia as well. The flower like structure looks like the fruits of the tree.
Sterculia alata / Pterygota alata (Buddhas Coconut)
Please ID the plant. Photographs taken at a play ground in Mysore. It could be Pterigota alata ?
Yes sir, this is Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R.Br.
I am also thinking same …
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Request identity of this small tree?
Location: Kandivali (east), Mumbai.
Local name: Narikel, Buddha’s coconut,
Botanical name: Pterygota alata
Thank you for the id. I didn’t find it in ‘Trees of Mumbai’ BNHS 2006. The closest I came to was in ‘Trees of Delhi’ Penguin 2006 but I was confused when described as “A towering giant of rainforests of NE and WGhats, and one of Delhi’s tallest trees though it is stunted here.” Nevertheless, its a planted roadside tree but probably will not grow to its full, magnificent size. Worth following this trees over the years…
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What tree is this?: 1 image.
Can you please help id this tree.White Teak?
Buddha Coconut?
Please post better pictures, possible original photos rather than screen shots for ID. It is difficult to ID the picture posted by you which is unclear and a xerox coy of the photograph !!!
Nevertheless it doesnot look closer to any ofthe ID(s) suggested by you.
May I request you to pl. post a better image or detailed images for proper id.
Sorry sir, but this is the best I have at present.
This image is from Aga Khan Palace in Pune.Currently due to covid restrictions can’t get a better image.The tree is tall, with broad leaves and buttress root stem structure.
It seems like some kind of sterculia to me.
Yes, possible as per images at Pterygota alata
Kolkata, December 2021 :: Tree for ID:: ARK2022-024: 5 images- 2 high res.This was clicked at the Indian Botanic Garden (AJBC Garden) at Shibpur, Howrah, WB in December 2021.The trees were too tall and hence could not get a pic of the canopy.The nameplate too was not at all clear. Sterculiaceae can be gathered from the faint lettering on the board.
Is it possible to provide any clue?
Just going through FB, similar trees have been posted in the group as Pterygota alata.
Yes, you may be right as per images at Pterygota alata
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identify this ficus tree species: 3 images.
15 march 2023
Pictures are not clear. Hence, ID is difficult.
This does not look like a Ficus to me.
It reminds me of Pterygota alata (Roxb.) R.Br. [Malvaceae].
I agree with … Nevertheless, to confirm please post better pictures. You are focusing against the light.
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